Escapist Podcast: 011: Upcoming Games of 2011 & Diablo 3
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Doh, I should read the next post before replyingqwerty19411 said:
But nope, still doesn't work. It's been like this for a while now actually, I remember trying to download a few podcasts when I was coming back from my vacation to have something to listen to on the bus (was over a week ago) and having the exact same issue (different PC, different connection, I might add)
When/where? Still doesn't work from me through any mean, as it's been the case for the last few weeks.Slycne said:
Couldn't they just upload it somewhere on the site instead of trying to tie it in with the file the flash player accesses? BTW with DownloadHelper on Firefox you can still download it easily, as with any other video, but it's annoying (I mean, we have RSS for a reason).
Actually, I thought it was a pretty reasonable answer as to why they do it. Having explained even better that on disc and day one DLC exist(because you can't really waste resources you criminally underpay) to an answer that I am satisfied with. The underpayment of programmers is another story though.StriderShinryu said:
StriderShinryu said:
I agree with these chaps. Yall seem to think the complaint about on-disc DLC is that it's on the disc. There are lots of reasons people complain about on-disc DLC (note: "it's on the disc" isn't one of them). Some examples are the implication that you do not own what you hold in your hand as you walk out of the video game store. That has massive potential for abuse if it becomes commonplace, which it has. Another is the perception that content that once would have been included in the purchase price of the game is now being sold separately as premium content, resulting in a loss of value to purchasers. You seemed to mention this but then either overlooked it or just dismissed it without explanation. It's not that it's on the disc. Putting it on the disc causes or increases the perception that it should have been in the original game. To convince me that fears about on-disc DLC are baseless, you need to convince me that I am not getting less for my money because of the hope to nickel-and-dime me through on-disc DLC. And you're never going to convince everyone because that is very subjective and no one who didn't work on the game has all the facts. Personally, I think several developers do this, Bioware included. But I don't recall anyone complaining because they didn't have to download something.-Dragmire- said:
[EDIT]: I made a smart ass comment, but decided to edit it out and offer this apology.
Could you put this another way, please? I am not sure what you are saying.vxicepickxv said:
Haven't watched it yet (saving for m ritualistic League of Legends PODCAST Sunday morning, but I just wanted to say I'm happy the podcast is back!
Yes, game trailers, updates, the hype can give away far too much. Then you get the game, and this isn't a deep novel, you have already bled out a lot of the experience and lapped it up previously.
I'm not sure the diablo trading system will improve the gaming experience. An obsession with accounting can take so much away from standard dnd, players weighing the return value of an axe of whatever, is not deep in the game and surging ahead. I can see the scaled pulled out now. It is a bit of a sad way for Diablo to go. Perhaps this was always doomed to happen.
I'm not sure the diablo trading system will improve the gaming experience. An obsession with accounting can take so much away from standard dnd, players weighing the return value of an axe of whatever, is not deep in the game and surging ahead. I can see the scaled pulled out now. It is a bit of a sad way for Diablo to go. Perhaps this was always doomed to happen.
On Disk DLC - This only upsets people who believe that they own everything on the disk.
You don't own anything on the disk, you own the disk AND a license to play the game.
The disk is just a convenient way to get the paid for content to your console/PC. This has always been the case.
It is perfectly fine to include Premium content on the disk which must be paid for separately for it to be made available.
It is entirely the same as a shareware game offered for download for free which also contains the content for the full game - content which is locked until the game has been purchased.
There is no difference between DLC and ODDLC.
There is an issue of freedom however which has appeared (which many people may not have noticed or perhaps haven't considered the impact of) due to the online-ification of games.
In older disk based games on PC or Console, as long as you had the means to play the game, you could play the game. Many years from the day the game was initially purchased. That freedom could not be revoked (accidentally or deliberately) while the player had the tools needed to play. As long as you have a working console or PC of that generation and the disk, you're good to go.
Now there is a change in how games are played. By requiring on-line authentication, you need permission to access the licensed content.
The difference here is that this permission can be revoked and the game may not be playable in the future due to conditions not of your own making.
This can be a deliberate act on the company's part or an accidental outage.
An outage can be from a number of factors:
The state of the economy,
The health of the company,
The health of the authentication system,
Changes to the company's business model,
The company's willingness to support the authentication of a game long past it's usefulness.
Any of these factors can affect your ability to play.
No matter how benevolent the company seems, in 10 years you won't be playing any game you're playing today which needs on-line authentication to play and your DLC will no longer be supported unless there is a solid business reason for the company to do so.
The 100% offline disk based freedoms are now gone.
You don't own anything on the disk, you own the disk AND a license to play the game.
The disk is just a convenient way to get the paid for content to your console/PC. This has always been the case.
It is perfectly fine to include Premium content on the disk which must be paid for separately for it to be made available.
It is entirely the same as a shareware game offered for download for free which also contains the content for the full game - content which is locked until the game has been purchased.
There is no difference between DLC and ODDLC.
There is an issue of freedom however which has appeared (which many people may not have noticed or perhaps haven't considered the impact of) due to the online-ification of games.
In older disk based games on PC or Console, as long as you had the means to play the game, you could play the game. Many years from the day the game was initially purchased. That freedom could not be revoked (accidentally or deliberately) while the player had the tools needed to play. As long as you have a working console or PC of that generation and the disk, you're good to go.
Now there is a change in how games are played. By requiring on-line authentication, you need permission to access the licensed content.
The difference here is that this permission can be revoked and the game may not be playable in the future due to conditions not of your own making.
This can be a deliberate act on the company's part or an accidental outage.
An outage can be from a number of factors:
The state of the economy,
The health of the company,
The health of the authentication system,
Changes to the company's business model,
The company's willingness to support the authentication of a game long past it's usefulness.
Any of these factors can affect your ability to play.
No matter how benevolent the company seems, in 10 years you won't be playing any game you're playing today which needs on-line authentication to play and your DLC will no longer be supported unless there is a solid business reason for the company to do so.
The 100% offline disk based freedoms are now gone.
