Escapist Podcast: 063: Starcraft 2 Free-to-Play and Bacon Conspiracy
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It just pains me to hear someone say that they're good in SC2 when they 3v3 and get a bunch of void rays, I'm just sorry.
EDIT: Also I would like to distance myself between that guy right above me, not all fans are the same and talking about the KeSPA stuff here just isn't relevant to anything. Also the crying for LAN I think is still annoying.
EDIT: Also I would like to distance myself between that guy right above me, not all fans are the same and talking about the KeSPA stuff here just isn't relevant to anything. Also the crying for LAN I think is still annoying.
I love how gleeful that cat's expression is.Crazy Zaul said:
TB's cat apparently.
"OMG! For me? Really? How exciting!"
. Especialy after listening to the latest Podtoid
Well, let's see, I'm Diamond in 3v3, and Plat in 2v2 and 1v1, so ... yeah, very hysterical.GrungyMunchy said:
Oh man, I just thought of something! Now, brace yourself for a minute, because this is about to get edgy. What if ... I also played 4v4? Can you even imagine? Oh, how we'd laugh and laugh! Whew, good times, man, good times.
Please oh please tell me that you at least start off with some phoenix harass and then get a mothership for vortex.Mike Kayatta said:
My point is that your rank in anything but 1v1 is meaningless to evaluate your skill in Starcraft 2.Mike Kayatta said:
Oh, I understood your point quite clearly the first time. I just reject it.GrungyMunchy said:
StarCraft II is made up of a variety of modes to be good at, most of them ranked, as governed and designed by the people who made it. Yes, there's 1v1, but there's also 2v2 random, 2v2 arranged, 3v3 random, 3v3 arranged, 4v4 random, and 4v4 arranged. But those are just other arbitrary modes, right? Blizzard probably added them for laughs. So, what is the one true experience of this game that you've somehow sussed out for us? Even if I play 1v1, what if I play as Protoss, Zerg, Terran, or by random selection? Do I need to master all four to live up to your standard? And wait, what about the map? Was it custom built? Lots of resources? Few resources? Did it encourage air dominance, expansion, or defense? What if I play the single player campaign, and earn optional achievements by completing difficult side missions? Hey ... wait a second. Now that I'm listing all of this out, I'm starting to realize that 1v1 is, even mathematically, just a small percentage of a much larger, complex game. Man, Blizzard sure is silly to have made only 5% of the StarCraft II experience the important bit!
My point is that StarCraft II, like many other games, is composed of multiple ways to compete, both against others, and yourself. To say that but one arbitrary component of this massive game is somehow the sole deciding factor in my or anyone else's achievement with it is both presumptuous and narrow-minded. Sorry, bud, but you don't get to decide which component people are and aren't allowed to be proud of themselves for mastering.
Being "good at Starcraft 2" is related to how well you measure up against another person, and the most accurate way to measure that is through the 1v1 ladder. I can be playing 4v4s with people on grandmaster in 1v1 and be placed in masters 4v4, and that wouldn't tell me anything about my skill. Also, you can exploit the best way to optimize your score in every mission of the campaign, but that's not the same as being "good at Starcraft 2" because that only measures your ability of reproducing the most correct way of playing the missions, and any monkey could do that.Mike Kayatta said:
The only place, for the better and the worse, where you can accurately measure how good are your mechanical skills, how well do you adapt to different to different situations and your ability to outwit your opponent is through the 1v1 ladder. That's what "being good at Starcraft" has always been about since the Brood War days. I really don't mean to offend you, but no one really should give a shit about what their rank in anything other than 1v1 is when you're trying to express how good you are at the game. If you're good at 1v1, you're good in any situation of Starcraft.
I agree with you to a certain extent, but they design the units, the gameplay, the interface, the balances of the patches and every other gameplay mechanics I can think of around 1v1. Of course you can be proud of whatever you want, no one has ever needed permission for that, and somethings like the graphics seem to be designed for PvE.Mike Kayatta said:
Sigh, where did i said they should be talking about KeSPA? Just poited out for the guys that made the show and are interested in SC II that it happened, it's important for the game and as important for the metagame as HotS, and I am not sure they know it because SC II PvP is clearly not popular around this places. I don't know why you needed to point me and label me as undesirable company or whatever for that.shadowslayer81 said:
And no one is crying for LAN, did you watch the game i mentioned live? MKP vs Parting in the GTSL finals? That is an unexcusable fault from blizzard, that's why SC II should have had LAN (like any other "serious" e-sport), and well, now that you can resume from replay, the poor man's solution blizzard choose, i guess it won't matter after HotS releases.
It's important to you me, and probably 5 other random people here.Tanakh said:
Nobody else cares.
And I don't watch the GSL because I'm too cheap to buy the pass and enjoy sleep to much to stay up till 4 AM.
Probably, but SC II as a whole is important for maybe 10 random people from this community, so popularity isn't a concern in this case.shadowslayer81 said:
And i am taking a GSL break myself because freking Seed and his decitful tactics made me rage too much. Long live MC!
This is the first time I just deleted the podcast after 15 min. The amount of Windows 8 ignorance out there is amazing, and how it was based on what you guys heard is... I just, I could not stand listening to it. It started up with you deciding what Windows 8 was, without having tried it, then going on explaining why Microsoft has done this and that, when your premise was wrong to begin with. Valve does not like Windows 8, because it rivals Steam in the same way IE was an issue for NetScape. Of course Gabe hates it. Notch also should perhaps quiet down, his 4 million copies sold of Minecraft for Xbox shows that he is no stranger to closed systems.
I am writing this on a Windows 8 laptop, Chrome runs as a native app, and it did not get certified to become a native app. Certification is only required if you want to sell your stuff on the Microsoft Store.
I can run any programs on this machine that I could on a Win 7, without any sort of problems, and with less clicks then I can from the Win 7 install I had on this PC before it.
It boots up in half the time Win 7 did, shuts down even faster, it takes up 35% less ram, and 15% less CPU, most programs boot up faster, and runs with less hassle then Windows 7. The admin commands are far more accessible and the search tool more powerful.
Windows 8, even on the trial release that I am on, is better then Windows 7 ever was, it is so good that I have decided my next investment will be a Microsoft Surface, and once my phone contract is up, a Win 8 phone is on my list of things I will look into.
I am writing this on a Windows 8 laptop, Chrome runs as a native app, and it did not get certified to become a native app. Certification is only required if you want to sell your stuff on the Microsoft Store.
I can run any programs on this machine that I could on a Win 7, without any sort of problems, and with less clicks then I can from the Win 7 install I had on this PC before it.
It boots up in half the time Win 7 did, shuts down even faster, it takes up 35% less ram, and 15% less CPU, most programs boot up faster, and runs with less hassle then Windows 7. The admin commands are far more accessible and the search tool more powerful.
Windows 8, even on the trial release that I am on, is better then Windows 7 ever was, it is so good that I have decided my next investment will be a Microsoft Surface, and once my phone contract is up, a Win 8 phone is on my list of things I will look into.