Escapist Podcast: 069: Surviving the Apocalypse and "Fake" Geek Girls
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I find the best way to eat those popcorn tins is to just remove the divider that way you don't have the orphan flavor, but to people who will separate their SweetTarts this might not go over that well.
the thing about preppers is that many of them just come off as just hyper paranoid, and by proxy almost neglect the basic thought that anything else might happen. like the people that prepare for a nukear war generally don't consider a straight up invasion by another country. granted I am pretty sure that the people to be shown on the doomsday preppers show are screened for the "validity" of the thing they are preparing for, and this is doubly so because they also try to bring on "experts" on what those situations would be like, and so forth (generally so that they can rate the effectiveness of these plans). basically because there is so much speculation (are they fast/shambly/dumb, or fast/strong/smart) surrounding a zombie apocalypse they are usually screened out; because it is unlikely to find an "expert" on the topic. similarly with an alien invasion there probably are a few people planning/preparing for if this might happen, but at the same time because we don't have sufficient evidence on how such a thing would happen it is probably just screened out.
I will admit to being that person who said the word childish, but the context of such was not so much "you are childish for not accepting the prequels", but more on "I hate that these modifications keep happening to the original trilogy" and really it does depend who you ask as to whether a "reedit" is a good, or bad thing. generally if the person feels that the reedit added value to the material, and they felt that it was an improvement then "sing it on the mountain that reedit is amazing", but if the person feels that the reedit does not add that much value, or has little value then "how dare those changes be made" I know that for the most part this does become rather subjective, and vary from reedit to reedit, but at quite a few points it can still boil down to "I liked it better before it was different, and because I don't like the differences it is not acceptable" that was what I was trying to outline.
the thing about preppers is that many of them just come off as just hyper paranoid, and by proxy almost neglect the basic thought that anything else might happen. like the people that prepare for a nukear war generally don't consider a straight up invasion by another country. granted I am pretty sure that the people to be shown on the doomsday preppers show are screened for the "validity" of the thing they are preparing for, and this is doubly so because they also try to bring on "experts" on what those situations would be like, and so forth (generally so that they can rate the effectiveness of these plans). basically because there is so much speculation (are they fast/shambly/dumb, or fast/strong/smart) surrounding a zombie apocalypse they are usually screened out; because it is unlikely to find an "expert" on the topic. similarly with an alien invasion there probably are a few people planning/preparing for if this might happen, but at the same time because we don't have sufficient evidence on how such a thing would happen it is probably just screened out.
I will admit to being that person who said the word childish, but the context of such was not so much "you are childish for not accepting the prequels", but more on "I hate that these modifications keep happening to the original trilogy" and really it does depend who you ask as to whether a "reedit" is a good, or bad thing. generally if the person feels that the reedit added value to the material, and they felt that it was an improvement then "sing it on the mountain that reedit is amazing", but if the person feels that the reedit does not add that much value, or has little value then "how dare those changes be made" I know that for the most part this does become rather subjective, and vary from reedit to reedit, but at quite a few points it can still boil down to "I liked it better before it was different, and because I don't like the differences it is not acceptable" that was what I was trying to outline.
shadowslayer81 said:
I don't even know why you Podcasters even call that Porn-Music-like. Hav't watched Porn videos in Yonks so I have no idea what music is being played while the act is being done.WMDogma said:
I quite like it. Would like to hear the rest of it.
I think you guys are missing the point regarding the Fake Girl argument (God, I'm gonna get grilled again for this).
The bottom line is that it's annoying. That's it. But let me elaborate.
Imagine I wear a Harley Davidson shirt because it's cool. Alright, cool. Who am I hurting? Imagine if I go to a biker bar and pretend to like bikes cause I like to feel hardcore or something. And then I start talking about the bikes and the engine and the vroom and the pretty design. But when someone asks me about something in detail, I'll reply with a "I dunno! I just like being here even though I don't know anything about bikes!
"
So yeah, nothing wrong with that. it's a free country. but the true bikers would be annoyed.
Not only that but those "fake geek girls" (which are not as common as they make it out to be, honestly) don't really care about the geek culture. I'm a girl who consider herself a good gamer and a geek. I don't know everything about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Metroid, but when someone, either guy or girl, tries to introduce me to it a bit more, I'll take it! Heck, I'll be thankful!
But! the fake geek girls don't give a crap. This happened to me: I had a couple of (girl) friends who like to wear Yoshi and Mario shirts because they're cute. Alright, cool. That makes me think they might like games? So I've tried several times to introduce them to games they might like, like, I don't know, Mario or Yoshi's Island?! Or even something else! But you know what happens every single time? They get bored, they decide to go shopping and watch Pretty Little Liars. I swear I'm not making this off.
So yeah, they have every right to wear whatever. It's not like they're pretending to be something serious like a cop or something. But it's just annoying. And I do try to get them on my "side". Hey, the more, the merrier. Who wouldn't want to have friends that like the same things you do? But they don't care! They don't want to! So what's a girl to do?
Also, and this unrelated...and I said this in some other topic, guys also alienate us! Every time I talk about games around guys, 75% of the guys feel like questioning me about my knowledge. And if I hesitate for a second or if I don't know the right answer, I get that "Pssh, figures you don't know shit" glare. Yeah, those are douches, I know. But what about those CoD guys who attack a girl as soon as she sets foot on the lobby? Again, douches, I know. I can ignore it. But it's annoying.
Also unrelated, but the other guys who are not mean towards a girl gamer are usually just trying to hit on me. No, I'm not tooting my own horn. It has nothing to do with appearance. They just hit on me because 1. Boobs and 2. I like games. Understandable, but also annoying.
I know there's good guys out there who just want include more guys and girls into their world. Open minded people. But they're kinda hard to notice amongst the sea of douchy guy gamers. My wish would be to be seen as just another gamer. Not a guy gamer or a girl gamer, but just another gamer. But at least in my case, I haven't seen a lot of people treating me that way.
And I'm not bitchy or anything! D:
And I also saw the remake of Poseidon the other day! What are the chances?
Regarding the movie topic, it is never ok to be loud, even if you're just talking to the person next to you. Even worse when you're laughing out loud like a dick. I've had people yell stuff during Harry Potter 7 that ruined my experience. They only did it once or twice but...well, you get immersed in the movie and for someone to snap you out of it that way, it really is disturbing. Even if you're watching a crappy movie, you must be respectful towards everyone else. Period.
Also, no clapping at any point. I just don't get it. I know people do it in approval and praise but...why? Who are they clapping to? The guys working there?
In my case, when I go watch a movie with my mom, she gets easily lost with complicated plots so she's constantly asking me what's going on (English isn't our main language). So I feel for her so I give her a quiet and quick explanation. Or I wait until there's more noise in the movie so I can talk to her without interfering that much.
However, when we're at home and I'm watching a show, she feels the need to step in and talk to me about the universe or something. I try to blow her off in a nice way but...I still feel bad.
On the other hand, if I do that to one of her shows...I never hear the end of it. :/
I'll just leave this sweet example here:
The bottom line is that it's annoying. That's it. But let me elaborate.
Imagine I wear a Harley Davidson shirt because it's cool. Alright, cool. Who am I hurting? Imagine if I go to a biker bar and pretend to like bikes cause I like to feel hardcore or something. And then I start talking about the bikes and the engine and the vroom and the pretty design. But when someone asks me about something in detail, I'll reply with a "I dunno! I just like being here even though I don't know anything about bikes!
"So yeah, nothing wrong with that. it's a free country. but the true bikers would be annoyed.
Not only that but those "fake geek girls" (which are not as common as they make it out to be, honestly) don't really care about the geek culture. I'm a girl who consider herself a good gamer and a geek. I don't know everything about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Metroid, but when someone, either guy or girl, tries to introduce me to it a bit more, I'll take it! Heck, I'll be thankful!
But! the fake geek girls don't give a crap. This happened to me: I had a couple of (girl) friends who like to wear Yoshi and Mario shirts because they're cute. Alright, cool. That makes me think they might like games? So I've tried several times to introduce them to games they might like, like, I don't know, Mario or Yoshi's Island?! Or even something else! But you know what happens every single time? They get bored, they decide to go shopping and watch Pretty Little Liars. I swear I'm not making this off.
So yeah, they have every right to wear whatever. It's not like they're pretending to be something serious like a cop or something. But it's just annoying. And I do try to get them on my "side". Hey, the more, the merrier. Who wouldn't want to have friends that like the same things you do? But they don't care! They don't want to! So what's a girl to do?
Also, and this unrelated...and I said this in some other topic, guys also alienate us! Every time I talk about games around guys, 75% of the guys feel like questioning me about my knowledge. And if I hesitate for a second or if I don't know the right answer, I get that "Pssh, figures you don't know shit" glare. Yeah, those are douches, I know. But what about those CoD guys who attack a girl as soon as she sets foot on the lobby? Again, douches, I know. I can ignore it. But it's annoying.
Also unrelated, but the other guys who are not mean towards a girl gamer are usually just trying to hit on me. No, I'm not tooting my own horn. It has nothing to do with appearance. They just hit on me because 1. Boobs and 2. I like games. Understandable, but also annoying.
I know there's good guys out there who just want include more guys and girls into their world. Open minded people. But they're kinda hard to notice amongst the sea of douchy guy gamers. My wish would be to be seen as just another gamer. Not a guy gamer or a girl gamer, but just another gamer. But at least in my case, I haven't seen a lot of people treating me that way.
And I'm not bitchy or anything! D:
And I also saw the remake of Poseidon the other day! What are the chances?
Regarding the movie topic, it is never ok to be loud, even if you're just talking to the person next to you. Even worse when you're laughing out loud like a dick. I've had people yell stuff during Harry Potter 7 that ruined my experience. They only did it once or twice but...well, you get immersed in the movie and for someone to snap you out of it that way, it really is disturbing. Even if you're watching a crappy movie, you must be respectful towards everyone else. Period.
Also, no clapping at any point. I just don't get it. I know people do it in approval and praise but...why? Who are they clapping to? The guys working there?
In my case, when I go watch a movie with my mom, she gets easily lost with complicated plots so she's constantly asking me what's going on (English isn't our main language). So I feel for her so I give her a quiet and quick explanation. Or I wait until there's more noise in the movie so I can talk to her without interfering that much.
However, when we're at home and I'm watching a show, she feels the need to step in and talk to me about the universe or something. I try to blow her off in a nice way but...I still feel bad.
On the other hand, if I do that to one of her shows...I never hear the end of it. :/
I'll just leave this sweet example here:
No grilling on my part. I'd just like to know if you realize the slight irony when you describe these famed "fake geek girls" that annoy you because they have no working knowledge of the t-shirt they found attractive or the level interest you profess (and that this somehow justifies the uproar) and then going on to describe how gamers are douchbags on CoD or wherever because you fail to have the level of expertise "required" or the gender necessary for game x or y.Beautiful End said:
Captcha: Whoa there
All right captcha, this will be the extent of my intervention.
Oh, no, I never said I was unfamiliar with games like CoD. I like them. I'm decent at them. The problem is, and I don't know if you've run into a person like that, when a girl sets foot on the lobby, most guy start making sexist comments. They don't even care if the girl is good or bad, they just do it. Hey, if they were attacking me because I sucked, I'd take it. When I'm bad at a game and I get those comments, I don't like it but I get it. So I retreat quietly. But they do it for no reason at all, believe me.shiajun said:
If I manage to stay quiet, they treat me like any other person. But I have to stay quiet. And mind you, it's not like I go in there talking about glitter or kittens.
I like this video because it shows how guys at CoD usually act (Not everyone! But some guys):
Anyway.Beautiful End said::/I think you guys are missing the point regarding the Fake Girl argument (God, I'm gonna get grilled again for this).
The bottom line is that it's annoying. That's it. But let me elaborate.
Imagine I wear a Harley Davidson shirt because it's cool. Alright, cool. Who am I hurting? Imagine if I go to a biker bar and pretend to like bikes cause I like to feel hardcore or something. And then I start talking about the bikes and the engine and the vroom and the pretty design. But when someone asks me about something in detail, I'll reply with a "I dunno! I just like being here even though I don't know anything about bikes!
So yeah, nothing wrong with that. it's a free country. but the true bikers would be annoyed.
Not only that but those "fake geek girls" (which are not as common as they make it out to be, honestly) don't really care about the geek culture. I'm a girl who consider herself a good gamer and a geek. I don't know everything about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Metroid, but when someone, either guy or girl, tries to introduce me to it a bit more, I'll take it! Heck, I'll be thankful!
But! the fake geek girls don't give a crap. This happened to me: I had a couple of (girl) friends who like to wear Yoshi and Mario shirts because they're cute. Alright, cool. That makes me think they might like games? So I've tried several times to introduce them to games they might like, like, I don't know, Mario or Yoshi's Island?! Or even something else! But you know what happens every single time? They get bored, they decide to go shopping and watch Pretty Little Liars. I swear I'm not making this off.
So yeah, they have every right to wear whatever. It's not like they're pretending to be something serious like a cop or something. But it's just annoying. And I do try to get them on my "side". Hey, the more, the merrier. Who wouldn't want to have friends that like the same things you do? But they don't care! They don't want to! So what's a girl to do?
Also, and this unrelated...and I said this in some other topic, guys also alienate us! Every time I talk about games around guys, 75% of the guys feel like questioning me about my knowledge. And if I hesitate for a second or if I don't know the right answer, I get that "Pssh, figures you don't know shit" glare. Yeah, those are douches, I know. But what about those CoD guys who attack a girl as soon as she sets foot on the lobby? Again, douches, I know. I can ignore it. But it's annoying.
Also unrelated, but the other guys who are not mean towards a girl gamer are usually just trying to hit on me. No, I'm not tooting my own horn. It has nothing to do with appearance. They just hit on me because 1. Boobs and 2. I like games. Understandable, but also annoying.
I know there's good guys out there who just want include more guys and girls into their world. Open minded people. But they're kinda hard to notice amongst the sea of douchy guy gamers. My wish would be to be seen as just another gamer. Not a guy gamer or a girl gamer, but just another gamer. But at least in my case, I haven't seen a lot of people treating me that way.
And I'm not bitchy or anything! D:
And I also saw the remake of Poseidon the other day! What are the chances?
Regarding the movie topic, it is never ok to be loud, even if you're just talking to the person next to you. Even worse when you're laughing out loud like a dick. I've had people yell stuff during Harry Potter 7 that ruined my experience. They only did it once or twice but...well, you get immersed in the movie and for someone to snap you out of it that way, it really is disturbing. Even if you're watching a crappy movie, you must be respectful towards everyone else. Period.
Also, no clapping at any point. I just don't get it. I know people do it in approval and praise but...why? Who are they clapping to? The guys working there?
In my case, when I go watch a movie with my mom, she gets easily lost with complicated plots so she's constantly asking me what's going on (English isn't our main language). So I feel for her so I give her a quiet and quick explanation. Or I wait until there's more noise in the movie so I can talk to her without interfering that much.
However, when we're at home and I'm watching a show, she feels the need to step in and talk to me about the universe or something. I try to blow her off in a nice way but...I still feel bad.
On the other hand, if I do that to one of her shows...I never hear the end of it.
The problem is NOT the fake geek/nerd girls. As they said, as you said, and as this friend of a friend of a dead guy who was really his brother said; At worst they may annoy you because they don't know anything about what you like.
:/ So what?
The problem is that people (like the "COD Player" you talked about) use this non-issue as an excuse to harras people (mostly of the female perrsuasion) who actually do know and care about "nerd/geek" things.
As for why, let me tell you the weirdest reason I have ever heard of someone not wanting people who don't know "all the stuff" to come into the Geek/Nerd community.
This person(who I won't name) was asked by another; "Say I don't know anything about ("your" geek/nerd thing), but I see something of it somewhere, and I decide to get into it. Maybe I even go to one of it's events in with a T-shirt of it on.
Why is that bad?"
The person's response; "You can join if you want but if you ask us any questions about it don't expect us to give you the answers."
What. The. F@#K.
Let me explain that outburst. It's fair to say that most people here at the Escapist are nerds/geeks to some capacity right? And what as a nerd, do us all here usually do when someone asks us a question about something we love?(After making inside jokes of course) We talk and talk and talk and talk to the person with the question (sometimes more than we should) until we either think they get it now, or we run out of things to talk about.
Look at MovieBob, Yahtzee, Jim. Their whole job here is pretty much "Talk about nerd/geek things to people. Help them understand it." Hell, you and me just spent about an hour and a half lessening to Susan, Justin, Greg, and Paul just talk about things they find neat.
And that's great, because it was fun!Now ask yourself this. What is worse? Someone who just wants to were say, a T-shirt with the Tardis on it, but has no idea it's not just some phone booth? A person who wants to were a sexy cosplay outfit to a con, and maybe just so people think they're hot? Or someone who doesn't want to let in anyone into "their" community because they're "wrecking it", they don't know enough about it, they didn't "earn" it, or because they don't want to be asked questions about it(again, WHAT?!)?
(By the way, Thanks for not doing any of that.
Well done.)Thank you for your time. Sorry about the wall of text, but you made one first. (And if I makes ya feel better, I hate writing. Not absolutely, but I don't like actually having to write a lot. Also, I WELL SEND SPELLING TO HELL TO DIE!)
Oh, and I completely know what you mean about moms and movies/shows. No way to win. :/
Also, sorry I know I asked a lot of questions already, but who is that you have for an avatar? Looks familiar somehow.
I saw a special midnight screening of Cabin in the Woods in Melbourne that was sullied by a group of people immediately behind us laughing not at the jokes (which the entire audience laughed at, which is always nice) but at the sets and props shown. I suppose I could have forgiven them, but their laughs were way too high pitched and forced...
(I'm getting into my grumpy man stage already)
Popcorn by itself is a healthy snack. Covering it in butter, salt, sugar, not so much. Though a favourite dessert of mine is to make the popcorn then cover the bowl with cooked honey. Never been a fan of the cheese popcorn which is starting to make a splash here in Australia.
(I'm getting into my grumpy man stage already)
Popcorn by itself is a healthy snack. Covering it in butter, salt, sugar, not so much. Though a favourite dessert of mine is to make the popcorn then cover the bowl with cooked honey. Never been a fan of the cheese popcorn which is starting to make a splash here in Australia.
I think it's an insurance thing. They believe it WILL happen, and if it does, they're smiling. If it doesn't, at least they were doing something they're passionate about.bravetoaster said:
Well, you're right on all of that. But like I said, the simple answer as to why it bothers *me* is because it's annoying. Yes, it's a shallow and selfish reason but...that's all I got. And I'm assuming the reason why some people are bothered by this topic is because of a similar reason? but that's just speculation; I don't have a good logic or a response based by logic and research. :[Imp Emissary said:Snipeth~Beautiful End said::/I think you guys are missing the point regarding the Fake Girl argument (God, I'm gonna get grilled again for this).
The bottom line is that it's annoying. That's it. But let me elaborate.
Imagine I wear a Harley Davidson shirt because it's cool. Alright, cool. Who am I hurting? Imagine if I go to a biker bar and pretend to like bikes cause I like to feel hardcore or something. And then I start talking about the bikes and the engine and the vroom and the pretty design. But when someone asks me about something in detail, I'll reply with a "I dunno! I just like being here even though I don't know anything about bikes!
So yeah, nothing wrong with that. it's a free country. but the true bikers would be annoyed.
Not only that but those "fake geek girls" (which are not as common as they make it out to be, honestly) don't really care about the geek culture. I'm a girl who consider herself a good gamer and a geek. I don't know everything about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Metroid, but when someone, either guy or girl, tries to introduce me to it a bit more, I'll take it! Heck, I'll be thankful!
But! the fake geek girls don't give a crap. This happened to me: I had a couple of (girl) friends who like to wear Yoshi and Mario shirts because they're cute. Alright, cool. That makes me think they might like games? So I've tried several times to introduce them to games they might like, like, I don't know, Mario or Yoshi's Island?! Or even something else! But you know what happens every single time? They get bored, they decide to go shopping and watch Pretty Little Liars. I swear I'm not making this off.
So yeah, they have every right to wear whatever. It's not like they're pretending to be something serious like a cop or something. But it's just annoying. And I do try to get them on my "side". Hey, the more, the merrier. Who wouldn't want to have friends that like the same things you do? But they don't care! They don't want to! So what's a girl to do?
Also, and this unrelated...and I said this in some other topic, guys also alienate us! Every time I talk about games around guys, 75% of the guys feel like questioning me about my knowledge. And if I hesitate for a second or if I don't know the right answer, I get that "Pssh, figures you don't know shit" glare. Yeah, those are douches, I know. But what about those CoD guys who attack a girl as soon as she sets foot on the lobby? Again, douches, I know. I can ignore it. But it's annoying.
Also unrelated, but the other guys who are not mean towards a girl gamer are usually just trying to hit on me. No, I'm not tooting my own horn. It has nothing to do with appearance. They just hit on me because 1. Boobs and 2. I like games. Understandable, but also annoying.
I know there's good guys out there who just want include more guys and girls into their world. Open minded people. But they're kinda hard to notice amongst the sea of douchy guy gamers. My wish would be to be seen as just another gamer. Not a guy gamer or a girl gamer, but just another gamer. But at least in my case, I haven't seen a lot of people treating me that way.
And I'm not bitchy or anything! D:
And I also saw the remake of Poseidon the other day! What are the chances?
Regarding the movie topic, it is never ok to be loud, even if you're just talking to the person next to you. Even worse when you're laughing out loud like a dick. I've had people yell stuff during Harry Potter 7 that ruined my experience. They only did it once or twice but...well, you get immersed in the movie and for someone to snap you out of it that way, it really is disturbing. Even if you're watching a crappy movie, you must be respectful towards everyone else. Period.
Also, no clapping at any point. I just don't get it. I know people do it in approval and praise but...why? Who are they clapping to? The guys working there?
In my case, when I go watch a movie with my mom, she gets easily lost with complicated plots so she's constantly asking me what's going on (English isn't our main language). So I feel for her so I give her a quiet and quick explanation. Or I wait until there's more noise in the movie so I can talk to her without interfering that much.
However, when we're at home and I'm watching a show, she feels the need to step in and talk to me about the universe or something. I try to blow her off in a nice way but...I still feel bad.
On the other hand, if I do that to one of her shows...I never hear the end of it.
Don't worry about the wall of text, by the way. I enjoy reading and writing so I enjoy responses like that. Hehe.
And my avatar is Basch from FFXII. It's from one of the pictures showed when the credits roll that shows him and Noah when they're young. They're one of my favorite characters.
Eh, don't worry about it. I don't think the people who REALLY get bugged by this junk are using much logic, or research. Just lots of bad emotions.Beautiful End said:Well, you're right on all of that. But like I said, the simple answer as to why it bothers *me* is because it's annoying. Yes, it's a shallow and selfish reason but...that's all I got. And I'm assuming the reason why some people are bothered by this topic is because of a similar reason? but that's just speculation; I don't have a good logic or a response based by logic and research. :[Imp Emissary said:Snipeth~Beautiful End said::/I think you guys are missing the point regarding the Fake Girl argument (God, I'm gonna get grilled again for this).
The bottom line is that it's annoying. That's it. But let me elaborate.
Imagine I wear a Harley Davidson shirt because it's cool. Alright, cool. Who am I hurting? Imagine if I go to a biker bar and pretend to like bikes cause I like to feel hardcore or something. And then I start talking about the bikes and the engine and the vroom and the pretty design. But when someone asks me about something in detail, I'll reply with a "I dunno! I just like being here even though I don't know anything about bikes!
So yeah, nothing wrong with that. it's a free country. but the true bikers would be annoyed.
Not only that but those "fake geek girls" (which are not as common as they make it out to be, honestly) don't really care about the geek culture. I'm a girl who consider herself a good gamer and a geek. I don't know everything about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Metroid, but when someone, either guy or girl, tries to introduce me to it a bit more, I'll take it! Heck, I'll be thankful!
But! the fake geek girls don't give a crap. This happened to me: I had a couple of (girl) friends who like to wear Yoshi and Mario shirts because they're cute. Alright, cool. That makes me think they might like games? So I've tried several times to introduce them to games they might like, like, I don't know, Mario or Yoshi's Island?! Or even something else! But you know what happens every single time? They get bored, they decide to go shopping and watch Pretty Little Liars. I swear I'm not making this off.
So yeah, they have every right to wear whatever. It's not like they're pretending to be something serious like a cop or something. But it's just annoying. And I do try to get them on my "side". Hey, the more, the merrier. Who wouldn't want to have friends that like the same things you do? But they don't care! They don't want to! So what's a girl to do?
Also, and this unrelated...and I said this in some other topic, guys also alienate us! Every time I talk about games around guys, 75% of the guys feel like questioning me about my knowledge. And if I hesitate for a second or if I don't know the right answer, I get that "Pssh, figures you don't know shit" glare. Yeah, those are douches, I know. But what about those CoD guys who attack a girl as soon as she sets foot on the lobby? Again, douches, I know. I can ignore it. But it's annoying.
Also unrelated, but the other guys who are not mean towards a girl gamer are usually just trying to hit on me. No, I'm not tooting my own horn. It has nothing to do with appearance. They just hit on me because 1. Boobs and 2. I like games. Understandable, but also annoying.
I know there's good guys out there who just want include more guys and girls into their world. Open minded people. But they're kinda hard to notice amongst the sea of douchy guy gamers. My wish would be to be seen as just another gamer. Not a guy gamer or a girl gamer, but just another gamer. But at least in my case, I haven't seen a lot of people treating me that way.
And I'm not bitchy or anything! D:
And I also saw the remake of Poseidon the other day! What are the chances?
Regarding the movie topic, it is never ok to be loud, even if you're just talking to the person next to you. Even worse when you're laughing out loud like a dick. I've had people yell stuff during Harry Potter 7 that ruined my experience. They only did it once or twice but...well, you get immersed in the movie and for someone to snap you out of it that way, it really is disturbing. Even if you're watching a crappy movie, you must be respectful towards everyone else. Period.
Also, no clapping at any point. I just don't get it. I know people do it in approval and praise but...why? Who are they clapping to? The guys working there?
In my case, when I go watch a movie with my mom, she gets easily lost with complicated plots so she's constantly asking me what's going on (English isn't our main language). So I feel for her so I give her a quiet and quick explanation. Or I wait until there's more noise in the movie so I can talk to her without interfering that much.
However, when we're at home and I'm watching a show, she feels the need to step in and talk to me about the universe or something. I try to blow her off in a nice way but...I still feel bad.
On the other hand, if I do that to one of her shows...I never hear the end of it.
Don't worry about the wall of text, by the way. I enjoy reading and writing so I enjoy responses like that. Hehe.
And my avatar is Basch from FFXII. It's from one of the pictures showed when the credits roll that shows him and Noah when they're young. They're one of my favorite characters.
Also, I knew I knew that picture!
FFXII is my favorite Final Fantasy!
I'm going to have to be careful here. I'm definitely not trying to say women deserve to be treated differently based on how they dress, but... Women who wear skimpy outfits to attract attention to themselves, then who are berate men who generally have less experience with women for perving on them. Not touching, they have a right not to be touched but looking at them... I just don't understand why that's the guys fault.
The guy who suffers is the one who wouldn't in a million years have the courage to talk to that hot girl but eyes pop out of his head and hyperventilates every time he sees her flesh. Skin tight latex and push up bras, I'm 100% behind those things as long as I'm permitted to look at said girl without being made out to be a monster. And yes my mouth may be down to the floor but I think that's more of a compliment than an insult.
Or am I wrong? Should I feel bad about giving unwanted attention to said girls in that environment? (Basically staring at something I find visually pleasing).
The guy who suffers is the one who wouldn't in a million years have the courage to talk to that hot girl but eyes pop out of his head and hyperventilates every time he sees her flesh. Skin tight latex and push up bras, I'm 100% behind those things as long as I'm permitted to look at said girl without being made out to be a monster. And yes my mouth may be down to the floor but I think that's more of a compliment than an insult.
Or am I wrong? Should I feel bad about giving unwanted attention to said girls in that environment? (Basically staring at something I find visually pleasing).
There was little irony your creating a false equivalance to try and crush her point. I get her point. In music no one minds distinguishing between the real fans and the posers. The hardcore metal chick and the ***** trying to get laid.shiajun said:
Here in gamer land though the general feel is that gaming culture is so afraid of looking like a douchebag that it looks like a douchebag for pretending such a thing is preposterous. No its not a big deal like some uber nerds like to claim but neither is it invented.
And heres a tip from my personal experience. Girls will probably get into gaming when we make them feel welcome. a good way to skeeve a girl away is by trying to hard and thats just as bad as being a "gasp" misogynist prick.
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Hey Escapist guys, great podcast.
Unfortunately, I found your discussion of fake geek girls a little worrisome....
It is unfair to claim that people judging you for how you act are wrong because its their fault they feel that way. Its in fact counter to what you said about your theater experience. Its YOUR fault you are sensitive to people talking or that it bothers you. Your annoyance though is no more under your control than someone's annoyance at non-physical stimuli. The distinction doesn't hold water.
If we generalize the actual issue, the real question is about community norms and expectations.
EVERY community and society, micro or macro, complex or simple, are based around norms and expectations.
A community seeks to propagate itself but only so far as it keeps its fundamental values, otherwise we get the issues we have today with multiculturalism as people feel their societies are shifting from their traditional norms because it accepts people who do not follow said norms.
Now multiculturalism can also be benign and enriching. In the case of geekdom, consider how all the sub-communities combine make all of geekdom stronger and more complex and fascinating. However, every person cannot be aligned with every sub-community, and the norms and expectations within said sub-communities are going to be unique. This causes issues within geekdom, but they can all be solved through dialogue and exposure.
The idea of the non-geeks penetrating geekdom cannot be solved. If geeks are passionate about fringe entretainment, non-geeks are not passionate about fringe entretainment (this is not an argument from knowledge. I was a geek way before I knew anything of significance because of my passion). The community can't be accepting of people who are its exact opposite. You cannot add X to not-X and get anything enriching or positive. In the same way, if we are in a theater to watch a movie, those who make watching a movie harder are missing the fundamental point and are not adding anything to the experience (though its less of a community so much as communal, so we don't want them to do anything)
And I know that this was a similar argument to the one used when masculine geekdom tried to keep girls out referring to masculinity as its fundamental characteristic. But they were wrong, geekiness is the fundamental characteristic of geekdom and the proportion of males was incidental and was caused by social norms outside of geekdom. As those outside social norms changed, geekdom had to as well. I mean, if there was serious geek clubs and conventions in the 1800s I bet they would have banned Jews because these were Christian geek clubs, as was the norm in the greater society.
Unfortunately, I found your discussion of fake geek girls a little worrisome....
It is unfair to claim that people judging you for how you act are wrong because its their fault they feel that way. Its in fact counter to what you said about your theater experience. Its YOUR fault you are sensitive to people talking or that it bothers you. Your annoyance though is no more under your control than someone's annoyance at non-physical stimuli. The distinction doesn't hold water.
If we generalize the actual issue, the real question is about community norms and expectations.
EVERY community and society, micro or macro, complex or simple, are based around norms and expectations.
A community seeks to propagate itself but only so far as it keeps its fundamental values, otherwise we get the issues we have today with multiculturalism as people feel their societies are shifting from their traditional norms because it accepts people who do not follow said norms.
Now multiculturalism can also be benign and enriching. In the case of geekdom, consider how all the sub-communities combine make all of geekdom stronger and more complex and fascinating. However, every person cannot be aligned with every sub-community, and the norms and expectations within said sub-communities are going to be unique. This causes issues within geekdom, but they can all be solved through dialogue and exposure.
The idea of the non-geeks penetrating geekdom cannot be solved. If geeks are passionate about fringe entretainment, non-geeks are not passionate about fringe entretainment (this is not an argument from knowledge. I was a geek way before I knew anything of significance because of my passion). The community can't be accepting of people who are its exact opposite. You cannot add X to not-X and get anything enriching or positive. In the same way, if we are in a theater to watch a movie, those who make watching a movie harder are missing the fundamental point and are not adding anything to the experience (though its less of a community so much as communal, so we don't want them to do anything)
And I know that this was a similar argument to the one used when masculine geekdom tried to keep girls out referring to masculinity as its fundamental characteristic. But they were wrong, geekiness is the fundamental characteristic of geekdom and the proportion of males was incidental and was caused by social norms outside of geekdom. As those outside social norms changed, geekdom had to as well. I mean, if there was serious geek clubs and conventions in the 1800s I bet they would have banned Jews because these were Christian geek clubs, as was the norm in the greater society.
There is something to what you say. However, I think you should add that just because something is a social norm doesn't mean that it's right, or that we should just let it continue.maxben said:
If people always did that, we would still have terrible things in society. Like salvery, not letting women vote, letting people get away with public bigotry to those not of the "norm", and of course we would still be using leeches and bloodletting as cure alls.
A society that rejects change either comes under attack, or is destroyed.
