Escapist Podcast: 110: Diablo 3, Next Mass Effect & PS4

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Varya

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I have to say I really disagree with your 24-torture argument. I think it's despicable to show torture being used as a horrible but last resort by good people. That if anything is glorifying torture. Showing torture being done for the heck of it by a psycho I think is the better way. It isn't a reliable method, it's something used by madmen trying to feel powerful.
 

Beautiful End

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The only game I'll play with strangers is L4D2. I play it every night and it's the only game for me where playing with strangers is fun because you know you MUST all work as a team, otherwise you're screwed. You can't team kill, you can't win above your teammates, you can't ditch your teammates because it's your funeral and it's in your best interest to keep them well armed and healed if only because you might need them to survive. I feel like it's a well balanced co-op.
When it comes to MMOs, I don't mind playing with strangers BUT then you run into problems like people stealing your kills or exp., ditching you, being rude or useless, etc. I agree, though. With MMOs, I like to take my time and explore every single nook. If I'm with my friends (Which is never), I know they'll be patient or non-douchey. It's not the same with strangers.

Regarding GTAV, like someone said, Trevor is immoral, not amoral. As much a dick the game paints him out to be, he still doesn't kill the man. He knows killing people is fun and, as much as he may enjoy torturing people, he knows torturing was unnecessary. It's about the message that sends to society. It makes you question whether the torture was the right thing to do and whether the government is entitled to torture people, good or bad, just to get what they want. Pretty much, does the end justify the means?
 

Calabi

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Yeah I have the same thoughts as above about their discussion of torture.

This is your country. We do torture but as long as we feel bad about it its fine?

Trevor doing it is the perfect comment to torture. He's psychotic, evil, crazy but really smart. With him doing it no can question the evilness of torture.

With some idiot supposed good guy from 24 torturing people will feel fine as long as he felt bad about after, and they go on and forget. And their happy that their government goes on torturing to supposedly save them because they surely feel bad about it.

These people whom are doing the torture in real life probably are enjoying it or their ambivalent. The best way to comment on things, to make people wake up is to portray it as it is. Its not to provide some sort of relief or excuse, you know some sort of way to get out of the horror of it.

The torture in the game is not nice and not comfortable to watch at all, that's why its genius.
 

StriderShinryu

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I have to point out one particular point of contention I have with this pdocast. I'm not really a fan of the idea that it's somehow wrong or creepy if you play as a female character in an MMO for a long length of time but don't disclose that you're actually a male. I don't see that as creepy at all. You may be playing in character or you may not, but it really doesn't make any difference. The creepy people are really the ones to whom it makes a big dffierence if you're actually a female or not. The podcast came around to that sort of line of thinking as the discussion continued, but I feel it was wrong for the person who made that comment to not be called out on it.

awdrifter said:
Just wanted to point out that the torture part in GTA V was not a cutscene, the player have to press buttons to torture the guy.
Yeah, between that and the Diablo 3 AH not being taken out yet.. seems more research should have gone into this podcast before such definitive statements were made.
 

Strazdas

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Come on catching up with Escapist podcast was a cakewalk. Now podtoid, thats almost 300 episodes, that was a challenge!