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cynikles said:
Well, there's a few. But they end up being incredibly cruel. There's a 'forbidden experiment' in the linguistics realm that would involve isolating a baby in its developmental stages and seeing whether or not they develop language all on its own. The going theory is that people acquire language through social interaction coupled with an innate ability to produce language. However, it's hard to make it fact without carrying out the 'forbidden experiment.' I'd be incredibly fascinated to see the results, but I couldn't do that to a child.


They've already done that. A priest isolated several children and ensured they heard no speech for years. He thought that they would reveal the language of god. They didn't talk. Ever.
Source? I'm calling shenanigans otherwise.

Also, I would splice several species together, attempting to make an "ultimate creature".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child#Ancient_reports Bow to wikipedia, non-believer!

Also, I would to destroy the pain center of the human brain and record the results. Not all sensations, but actual pain. Wonder if I could replace it with mild discomfort? Also, if we go really fantastic: I would like to see the the effects of Dr. West's reanimation serum on living tissue. Also, Wolverine regeneration. I would love to see if that's possible.
 

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Kollega said:
No-holds barred science is just a "do whatever you want" card for whackjobs like Mengele. This will not go over well, i promise.

But - assuming i had the technology - i'd try one of the following mad science-y things:

* Build a Doom-Laser, get it into space, then draw my portrait on the Moon.
* Genetically engineer and then clone some new species, like a dragon or a Lombax.
* As a possibility: bionically enhance my own body so i'm able to leap tall buildings in a single bound and don't forget stuff anymore.

That's all illegal, amrite?
I don't believe that any of those things are actually illegal. I mean, once you did it, they would make it illegal, but I don' believe there are actually any laws prohibiting any of that. Except for the first one. I'm fairly sure that's some form of vandalism.
but who owns the moon?
i would go with bringing the dinosaurs back to life, and then making bio-engineered human dino's, and cyborg dinosaurs that would be used as super weapons.
ah a t-rex with gatling guns.
The Moon belongs to the United States, we did plant our flag there, after all. And about those dinosaurs? Can I have one? Please, I promise I'll feed it and walk it and even clean up after it. Please?
 

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Develop ways of correcting chromosomal or genetic deformities, significant abnormalities and predispositions to specific diseases/conditions while a baby is still in utero.

Also, in combination with this, devise generalisable methods of mental conditioning to improve people's comprehension/intelligence and reduce their ego, rapacity and desire for violence. Just enough to improve efficiency and prevent future incarnations of Glenn Beck, Perez & Paris Hilton, Joseph Stalin and Dick Cheney.

Yes, I have seen Serenity. Creating Reavers would be a small price to pay.
 

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ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child#Ancient_reports Bow to wikipedia, non-believer!
NEVER!!!

OT: wtf is ethics? Well in my spare rime i like to play specific high pitch noises seeing if i can make a mans head Explode through noise.....no luck yet. Only bleeding eyes MUHAHAHAHAHA!
http://www.iep.utm.edu/ethics/
Ask, and ye shall receive.
If we can' make someone crap their pants without sound, then I'm fairly sure you can't make heads explode, but don't let that discourage you. Keep on trying, you never know when something like that will some in handy.(Mars Attacks)
 

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Blindswordmaster said:
Zyst said:
Blindswordmaster said:
cynikles said:
Well, there's a few. But they end up being incredibly cruel. There's a 'forbidden experiment' in the linguistics realm that would involve isolating a baby in its developmental stages and seeing whether or not they develop language all on its own. The going theory is that people acquire language through social interaction coupled with an innate ability to produce language. However, it's hard to make it fact without carrying out the 'forbidden experiment.' I'd be incredibly fascinated to see the results, but I couldn't do that to a child.


They've already done that. A priest isolated several children and ensured they heard no speech for years. He thought that they would reveal the language of god. They didn't talk. Ever.
Source? I'm calling shenanigans otherwise.

Also, I would splice several species together, attempting to make an "ultimate creature".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child#Ancient_reports Bow to wikipedia, non-believer!

Also, I would to destroy the pain center of the human brain and record the results. Not all sensations, but actual pain. Wonder if I could replace it with mild discomfort? Also, if we go really fantastic: I would like to see the the effects of Dr. West's reanimation serum on living tissue. Also, Wolverine regeneration. I would love to see if that's possible.
A completely isolated child would not form an external language, there would be no need to communicate because nobody and nothing to communicate with.

The experiment involves isolating a group of new borns from any external influence. The only issue is how to cause them to communicate. If their provided for their would be no struggle to cause language between them to evolve but newly born children are incapable of providing anything for themselves. Also, from conception forward they'd have to be isolated from language, because the brain does begin is programming even then.

So the experiment itself is pretty impreformable even without the basis of ethics.


Now my experiment, rabies virus modification to the production of subjects representing the classic status of undead. For funzies :D
 

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I'd see how long someone can look at "kittens" before they go completely insane or their brain shuts down to stop it.
 

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Blindswordmaster said:
They've already done that. A priest isolated several children and ensured they heard no speech for years. He thought that they would reveal the language of god. They didn't talk. Ever.
Source? And I mean a proper source.
 

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My pet project would be gene-enhancement and modification....i'll need a 100.000 volunteers for a start, anyone?
Eh, nothing better to do, count me in.
 

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I remember I once asked the Mythbusters build team this question at a panel, except I was asking what they'd do with budget-free science. Kari and Grant agreed that they'd want to see if a Formula One racer can drive upside down on a tunnel roof. Tory wanted to test the myth that your head explodes if you enter a vacuum without a space helmet.
 

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Kollega said:
No-holds barred science is just a "do whatever you want" card for whackjobs like Mengele. This will not go over well, i promise.
More like whackjobs like me.

What would happen if you take two people chop their legs off and connect each person to eachother at the waist? I would pull someone's eyes out and try to make a mechanical replacement. How well can someone walk without there toes... To be honest I tryed to come up with some screwed up ideas and well now I`m kind of interested in how these would pan out...

PS - If anyone has a answer to any of those questions tell me, I`d love to hear the answer.
 

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cynikles said:
Well, there's a few. But they end up being incredibly cruel. There's a 'forbidden experiment' in the linguistics realm that would involve isolating a baby in its developmental stages and seeing whether or not they develop language all on its own. The going theory is that people acquire language through social interaction coupled with an innate ability to produce language. However, it's hard to make it fact without carrying out the 'forbidden experiment.' I'd be incredibly fascinated to see the results, but I couldn't do that to a child.
You mean a Tabula Rasa-experiment? Yeah, it'd be unbelievably valuable data, but as you said, it would be incredibly cruel.

I myself would use death-row prisoners (the kind that *are* guilty for their crimes, not the ones in there due to some technicality or what have you) and use them in security and safety equipment testing, or in biomedical research.

Unethical as all hell, but it would be VERY useful information in the long run. Needs of Many > needs of Few.
 

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I would splice the genes of choice Japanese girls to create a real-life Haruhi.

...What?
Just don't tell her that she is a god and make sure she doesn't get bored.
 

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Withall said:
You mean a Tabula Rasa-experiment? Yeah, it'd be unbelievably valuable data, but as you said, it would be incredibly cruel.
It's more a continuation of current linguistic theory, particularly that of Noam Chomsky's 'Unviversal Grammar' hypothesis which is pretty well regarded. Might be a continuation of the Tabula-Rasa school of thought, but in studying linguistics, particularly the social side, I never ran into that theory specifically.
 

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Blindswordmaster said:
First off, please don't ban me. What experiments would you carry out in the name of science if you had no ethical limitations? Personally, I wonder what would happen if you removed some skull and dripped LSD directly onto the human brain. If you find this thread offensive, feel free to send me a personal message. Remember: This isn't about torture or sadism, it's about no holds barred science!
*sigh*

The same thing that would happen if the subject took an oral or trans-dermal dose of the same quantity, albeit perhaps with a slightly faster onset. LSD passes through the cellular wall of organic tissue and does not require conventional digestion to metabolize it and distribute it into the bloodstream to begin acting as a serotonin antagonist. It literally passes (diffuses) through you, as it's original synthesist Albert Hofmann discovered in 1938 when he inadvertently embarked on the first acid trip by spilling some of his new experimental solution on his hand.

A more interesting discussion surrounding the unethically bound experimentation with LSD would be the historical CIA run MK-ULTRA program, which covertly observed the behavior of unwilling civilian subjects who were administered the drug in government run brothels. Look it up if you're interested.
 

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Its funny most of the stuff that doesn't get done because it can't get ethics committee approval is bad science anyway. Of the rest well it would be interesting to have another look at the Milgrim experiments see if certain countries have become any better at resisting an authority when it tells them to do something that is patently wrong.