ever feel stressed about death?
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OK, so.. by the numbers it is!
1) LOL this is my first post on any thread, ever! I am named! HEllo everyone!
2) im doing this in a numbered format due to my lack of logical and rational argumentation skills, and forum wisdom. just trying to keep it all together and still make a good point.
3) am i scared of death? no. not the state, but then it matters how you define death. if im reading this correctly then the genneral consences is that death happens, then bam. nothingness, with a 1 in 4 chance at reincarnation, no chance at a heaven or hell and a snide comment to anything else.
so.. all social grace aside, um.. just how are we defining death here? are we going for a purely medical your-heart-has-stopped and you-aint-getting-up, or is a metaphysical interpritatoin still up for grabs? im asking this because while a realy simple question was asked, the anwsers were not just yes or no but a large barrage of oppions and thoughts on the signifgance of death.
if death was ment in a more medical sense then no. i have no fear of it. the pain of death scares me but what frightens me more is the possiblity of selling out on my belives. i mention this because my only real 'brush with death' (and i mean one where i was like "OMG, i could be killed by this dude if i dont play my cards right!") was done where i was offered 2 options, lie for a person (which i am morle opposed to) or refuse and have a large possiblity for shankage placed in my future. as my organs (which i still need) and a knife logically cannot inhappite the same space-time i sure you can all see my situation.
now, if death has any type of metaphysical parts we have a whole new ballgame!
4) * DISCLAIMER OF BIAS, for your convince * so... yep, im a theist. NO Wait! theres more! im a christian! I may or may not be born again. but im fairly sure that im saved by the blood of the lamb and all that jazz. (dont worry, its soulfull jazz) (p.s. busting out the christianeze for the win!)... just so you all nknow where im coming from here.
4b) from what ive seen on the fourms and ther videos, the Escapist site trends towords an atheistic to self descriped agnostic crowd, who from what ive seen broke no love for religion or its garish trapings. unless it has a more mystical bent, in which case, send it on in!
lucky for all of us, ive got mystisism up the yahoo and half a degree (so far) in a fine arts program. lets do this thing.
5) so, i dont have my refrences with me, but im pretty sure that st. Augistin explored a very similar concept in his tackling of the proplem of evil.
so, my mangeled version goes as such:
a) God Exists
b) It is an entity that Sustains life.
c) sin (evil) is to turn away from Gods ideals
d) thefore, to sin is to turn from life.
note: please correct me if im wrong.
now, to break it down:
we are all not dead per-say, why? we, in some small way are being (even in 'sin') still being sustained by God.
now, personaly, i belive this. but in its belive i find myself veiwing death and life as two very diffrent concepts then most. Ive already stated that im a chrisatian, so life after death is something i belive as well. expect that viewing it form Agustine's ideas, it becomes EXISTENCE after death. the question then is how does one or in what state does one exist in?
6) and the last layer.
adding this all together i can say that yes, i fear the metaphysical death, as it means permenant seperation from God. but then again, thats why im a christian.
7) just a little aside (because realy, how could i be anything BUT a religous hatemonger without atleast pointing out one peice of illogic arguentation?) to Niagro. i mean this with all the warm hearted sarcasm i can muster: WTF? what gives you the morle justification to deny ninetails593's contrabution? upon what ground do claim the morel right in this? you have stated this as an absolute. religions? what about culture? if someone honestly thinks that your life would be better off if you Devoted (not belived) yourself to X value, lets say not murder, rapeing or stealing would you raise an argument like this? in fact the great secular morality system of utiatarian ethics is essentialy this!
and plus, ninetails wasnt even doing what you convicted him of. he was stating a opionion, not picking fights for no good reasons.
1) LOL this is my first post on any thread, ever! I am named! HEllo everyone!
2) im doing this in a numbered format due to my lack of logical and rational argumentation skills, and forum wisdom. just trying to keep it all together and still make a good point.
3) am i scared of death? no. not the state, but then it matters how you define death. if im reading this correctly then the genneral consences is that death happens, then bam. nothingness, with a 1 in 4 chance at reincarnation, no chance at a heaven or hell and a snide comment to anything else.
so.. all social grace aside, um.. just how are we defining death here? are we going for a purely medical your-heart-has-stopped and you-aint-getting-up, or is a metaphysical interpritatoin still up for grabs? im asking this because while a realy simple question was asked, the anwsers were not just yes or no but a large barrage of oppions and thoughts on the signifgance of death.
if death was ment in a more medical sense then no. i have no fear of it. the pain of death scares me but what frightens me more is the possiblity of selling out on my belives. i mention this because my only real 'brush with death' (and i mean one where i was like "OMG, i could be killed by this dude if i dont play my cards right!") was done where i was offered 2 options, lie for a person (which i am morle opposed to) or refuse and have a large possiblity for shankage placed in my future. as my organs (which i still need) and a knife logically cannot inhappite the same space-time i sure you can all see my situation.
now, if death has any type of metaphysical parts we have a whole new ballgame!
4) * DISCLAIMER OF BIAS, for your convince * so... yep, im a theist. NO Wait! theres more! im a christian! I may or may not be born again. but im fairly sure that im saved by the blood of the lamb and all that jazz. (dont worry, its soulfull jazz) (p.s. busting out the christianeze for the win!)... just so you all nknow where im coming from here.
4b) from what ive seen on the fourms and ther videos, the Escapist site trends towords an atheistic to self descriped agnostic crowd, who from what ive seen broke no love for religion or its garish trapings. unless it has a more mystical bent, in which case, send it on in!
lucky for all of us, ive got mystisism up the yahoo and half a degree (so far) in a fine arts program. lets do this thing.
5) so, i dont have my refrences with me, but im pretty sure that st. Augistin explored a very similar concept in his tackling of the proplem of evil.
so, my mangeled version goes as such:
a) God Exists
b) It is an entity that Sustains life.
c) sin (evil) is to turn away from Gods ideals
d) thefore, to sin is to turn from life.
note: please correct me if im wrong.
now, to break it down:
we are all not dead per-say, why? we, in some small way are being (even in 'sin') still being sustained by God.
now, personaly, i belive this. but in its belive i find myself veiwing death and life as two very diffrent concepts then most. Ive already stated that im a chrisatian, so life after death is something i belive as well. expect that viewing it form Agustine's ideas, it becomes EXISTENCE after death. the question then is how does one or in what state does one exist in?
6) and the last layer.
adding this all together i can say that yes, i fear the metaphysical death, as it means permenant seperation from God. but then again, thats why im a christian.
7) just a little aside (because realy, how could i be anything BUT a religous hatemonger without atleast pointing out one peice of illogic arguentation?) to Niagro. i mean this with all the warm hearted sarcasm i can muster: WTF? what gives you the morle justification to deny ninetails593's contrabution? upon what ground do claim the morel right in this? you have stated this as an absolute. religions? what about culture? if someone honestly thinks that your life would be better off if you Devoted (not belived) yourself to X value, lets say not murder, rapeing or stealing would you raise an argument like this? in fact the great secular morality system of utiatarian ethics is essentialy this!
and plus, ninetails wasnt even doing what you convicted him of. he was stating a opionion, not picking fights for no good reasons.
I don't really fear death itself, I more fear the possible pain associated with it. I don't want to be slowly tortured to death, I'd rather die a quick a sudden death like a beheading.
no for if im successful in my goali dont need to worry what is my goal you may ask.. that is simple live until some on else come up for a way to live forever and steal it from him
Whenever someone of my religion dies, I feel sad, but not too sad.
When someone who isn't dies, I feel absolutely terrible and terrified.
When someone who isn't dies, I feel absolutely terrible and terrified.
Death bums me out in general, and has had a horrible effect on my life. I find it hard to get anything done or be truly motivated knowing deep down it's all for nothing. That I get to live in a world with people smugly living in ignorance or delusional comfort in religion, telling them that it's all good you'll go to heaven and watch your kids live their lives.
I mean fuck how can the world rationally go on and be productive and have so much bullshit going on when time is running out.
I mean fuck how can the world rationally go on and be productive and have so much bullshit going on when time is running out.
I haven't stressed about death in a long time. I was reading a book series, and one of the characters said something that, for me, removes all fear from dying. "Death does not nullify life, It defines life." Now, it doesn't really bother me when i think about death, or even when someone in my family dies. I fell a little sad that I won't see them anymore, but that's about it.
Ah, the topic of death.
I don't fear death; that being said, I am a living organism, and my entire purpose is is to stave it off for as long as I can, or at least until I reproduce. So yes, I will actively try to avoid it, but when it comes I will accept it as a natural part of my existence.
I really only hope that when I die, I die helping other people, or at least having helped other people much more than I have at this point.
The entire idea of heaven and hell, and most afterlife theories in general, were concieved as an expanation for why people have to die. It is comforting, I think, to believe that there is something after the end, and not just oblivion and the destruction of all the deceased is, was, and will ever be. That after death, a higher existence awaits you, that death is not the end of everything. That our loved ones, pets, our friends and allies, our spouses and families are still out there, somewhere, and that one day we will join them. Whatever the truth of the matter, belief in an afterlife helps to reassure the individual, who lives for a mere speck, a blink-and-you-miss-it, a hairsbreadth of time in the history of the universe, that despite the seeming meaninglessness of their time here, life is worth fighting for, if only for the sake of doing something over doing nothing at all.
I don't fear death; that being said, I am a living organism, and my entire purpose is is to stave it off for as long as I can, or at least until I reproduce. So yes, I will actively try to avoid it, but when it comes I will accept it as a natural part of my existence.
I really only hope that when I die, I die helping other people, or at least having helped other people much more than I have at this point.
The entire idea of heaven and hell, and most afterlife theories in general, were concieved as an expanation for why people have to die. It is comforting, I think, to believe that there is something after the end, and not just oblivion and the destruction of all the deceased is, was, and will ever be. That after death, a higher existence awaits you, that death is not the end of everything. That our loved ones, pets, our friends and allies, our spouses and families are still out there, somewhere, and that one day we will join them. Whatever the truth of the matter, belief in an afterlife helps to reassure the individual, who lives for a mere speck, a blink-and-you-miss-it, a hairsbreadth of time in the history of the universe, that despite the seeming meaninglessness of their time here, life is worth fighting for, if only for the sake of doing something over doing nothing at all.
My whole idea of it, is that it's gonna sneak up on me anyways, so no sense in worrying about it.
Now, I do get thoughtful about it. For example, sometimes I picture myself being old as dirt, and slowly passing away, and how in the future, everything I am will just vanish. It's some real meta shit that makes my skin crawl.
But other than that, I am adamant in my belief that everything goes in a cycle. I may not remember it, but I will live on after I die, as a cat or something.
But good Gods above.. Spare me from a slow death. I'd rather be shot up by some thugs than catch Polio or something.
Now, I do get thoughtful about it. For example, sometimes I picture myself being old as dirt, and slowly passing away, and how in the future, everything I am will just vanish. It's some real meta shit that makes my skin crawl.
But other than that, I am adamant in my belief that everything goes in a cycle. I may not remember it, but I will live on after I die, as a cat or something.
But good Gods above.. Spare me from a slow death. I'd rather be shot up by some thugs than catch Polio or something.
I just try to avoid thinking about it too much. I will have to come to grips with my mortality eventually (unless any of you people have figured out a way to avoid death). But seriously I think it is best not to waste your life worrying about your death.
Being pagan I have mixed feelings about what happens afterward. I no longer fear the approach of death. I know I will be afraid of the pain, suffering and the like. However I have accepted that if something is going to squish me, crash into the ground with me in it, or anything like that, I know there ain't crap I can do about it. Obviously I am not just gonna sit and die, if I can get out of it I will.
Am I afraid of death? I'm not afraid of what will happen afterwards. To be sure, I'm afraid of the many painful, slow ways to die. My biggest fear about death is that I will die too soon to become a father and someone who contributed to the world in a meaningful way.
TOO TRUESven und EIN HUND said:
I had a heart attack at age thirty. Staring death in the face scared me, but not for the reason you'd think. It was more like "shit, all anyone's gonna remember me for is a bunch of wasted potential. My life's goin' nowhere and this ain't how I planned to go out."
The only thing my life has in common with that life almost exactly three years ago (Jan. 8, 2008 was when it happened) is that I'm still living in the same town. Everything else---job, marital status, education level, religious beliefs, goals, everything---has changed. And if the gods let me have another fifteen or twenty years even, I'll do them proud and secure a better place in the hereafter for myself and better memories for my life in the eyes of those who have known me.
The only thing my life has in common with that life almost exactly three years ago (Jan. 8, 2008 was when it happened) is that I'm still living in the same town. Everything else---job, marital status, education level, religious beliefs, goals, everything---has changed. And if the gods let me have another fifteen or twenty years even, I'll do them proud and secure a better place in the hereafter for myself and better memories for my life in the eyes of those who have known me.
A little. When I was younger I was (Pun) deathly afraid (don;t judge me). Now I'm a little content with it. The afterlife is something I believe in, but I accept oblivion as well. I don't fear death, I more enjoy living too much.
When I was younger, sure. I was stressed about death all the time. Even now I occasionally get the chills when I think about my inevitable demise at the hands of father time. But I've learned to think about the life I have and focus on that - my eventual death is inevitable, so why worry about it? There's no sense brooding over something you can't change, and make no mistake, one day we WILL die. Even if by some miracle of science, an effective anti-ageing treatment was developed, our bodies are not invincible - disease, violence and accidents will one day claim us, even if old age has been defeated as a cause of death.
I am stressed about dying before my time. I intend to live to a very old age, as old as I can. I'm more worried about the death of family members than myself.
Think about it - remember the time before you were born? You didn't exist. You didn't exist for billions upon billions of years and it wasn't so bad. Death will be exactly like how it was before you were born. I'm not worried about how death with feel - I'm worried about not experiencing life before I go, and if I worry about death too much, I'll never live life to its fullest.
I am stressed about dying before my time. I intend to live to a very old age, as old as I can. I'm more worried about the death of family members than myself.
Think about it - remember the time before you were born? You didn't exist. You didn't exist for billions upon billions of years and it wasn't so bad. Death will be exactly like how it was before you were born. I'm not worried about how death with feel - I'm worried about not experiencing life before I go, and if I worry about death too much, I'll never live life to its fullest.
I'm kind of curious why you feel the need to reinforce the idea that death is inevitable.Korolev said:
If science can potentially make us immortal, why can't it also eventually make us invincible (or evolution for that matter)?
It's actually a logical fallacy to say that all presently living and future humans will inevitably die simply because all the ones before have (as far as we know). That means there exists a remote possibility that one day, at least one human will be truly immortal. Maybe part of the reason we struggle so much with the idea of death is that part of us realizes it should not be as inevitable as it is presented to be.
I once went to a funeral, It was of a boy my dad ran over, I faked the tears.Hiikuro said:
my moms were real...