Seriously? You're being that pedantic?Barbas said:You have to define the terms first, starting with okay.
OT: I'm fine. A friend of mine was in Paris not far from the shootings, but he's ok and safely back in England.
Seriously? You're being that pedantic?Barbas said:You have to define the terms first, starting with okay.
People here say they are "okay" or "fine" sometimes, then they just snap, so I guess they didn't really mean it or it has a different meaning to them.chocolate pickles said:Seriously? You're being that pedantic?
OT: I'm fine. A friend of mine was in Paris not far from the shootings, but he's ok and safely back in England.
Oh, I'm not blaming the people who wanted things to change for the better, it's just that it unfortunately seems to be doing more harm then good these days. Ukraine is another example; People standing up to an oppressive regime, actually bringing it to its knees. The whole world marveling at it and expecting great things. And then it all tumbles down into a big, bloody mess.Cowabungaa said:Except that IS didn't originate in the countries in which the Arab Spring had its strongest effects. Only Syria, really, but it has little to do with the North African nations, and even some of the Middle Eastern ones, in which it had the strongest effects. IS is sadly spreading to those countries too, even to Tunisia in which the Arab Spring was very fruitful.
Besides, IS goes back way before the Arab Spring, starting as an Al-Quada affiliate way back. They simply latched on the mess in Syria to profit from that. I won't ever blame the people of Tunisia, Lybia and all those other North African and Middle Eastern nations who were and are fighting for more freedoms for the rise of Islamic extremism. Of course, I won't deny either that the instability in some of the Arab Spring nations (because in a lot of them the transitions and changes went relatively smoothly) gave groups like IS ground to latch onto. Long lingering tensions saw an opportunity, and since then we've entered into the Arabian Winter, sadly.
As for Assad, he's out, really. Putin has already conceded on wanting Assad to stay. He's pretty much lost this horrendous civil war morally, militarily and geo-politically. Sadly it's still a clusterfuck thanks to all kinds of militant alliances trying to grab territory.
TL;DR; the Arab Spring is mostly, and definitely originally, a North African happening. IS was a Middle Eastern thing and has only very recently spread beyond it.
Cowabungaa said:Besides, IS goes back way before the Arab Spring, starting as an Al-Quada affiliate way back.