Arcane Azmadi said:
Dude, you're a genius. I hope you have a blog to post this on, more people need to read this.
I actually do, started it to put these long forums posts on. It's at http://fireaza.blogspot.com/
Contradiction said:
Dear OP
The article you posted seems to be a little less than objective on the subject. So I will address the obvious issues in the order of which they occur.
1
Saying that anime is ANYWHERE near the rejection and nigh on hate that furries have dealt with is laughable. Considering further that most of the posters were anime fans I'm also quite sure that most of that 'gamer anime' crowd which has supposedly dispersed still exists.
2
'Feel free to disagree to your peril...' really...
3
The 'Haters' usaully have a good reason to hate something. I mean no one would have begun to hate Anime/Furries/Bronies until they started drawing undue attention to themselves (all three do whether 'anime is superior in story and animation to the west' 'No but I'm really a wolf inside' 'or Love and tolerance and Off topic spam'.
Deny it all you want but there are people, obnoxious people, who define themselves by something you like and will and effect, whether right or wrong, peoples perception of you and your interest (be it anthro anime or ponies).
4
'ANIME IS NOT A GENRE' okay, 'ANIME IS A MEDIUM' ohh and you were doing so well. As provided by your convenient comparison pictures I can safely say that Anime seems to under go quite a few different production methods. They vary greatly but one could also say that it had one general method... ANIMATION. ANIMATION is a medium Anime is at best a format and if not even that quite simply, nothing more or less, ANIMATIONS THAT COME FROM JAPAN.
5
Your concept of animation variation although quite valid is flawed in a few but crucial ways.
The author mentions, after the fact, that yes they are all same-samey for whatever reason (it isn't relevent). Obviously after 400+ series the author WOULD in fact know that PSwG is based on American animation and omitted that fact intentionally, belittling their point to animation variation in Anime. Unfortunately I am not familiar with the top and third images however I'd say 80% chance that they are influenced by other "mediums" as the Author would describe them.
6
Saying that 'Oh no American animation is getting better look at all the "mature shows" yeah.' Does not discredit you from the whole American animation is shit thought pattern. If anything it solidifies the concept that you discredit anything that isn't supposedly mature and edgy. Just because anime says its for adults doesn't change the fact a huge number of its fans watch childish and often immature anime be it Moe or otherwise. I won't bother with recommendations but there are cartoons that take on subjects with comedy while keeping quite a mature sub text... but cartoons are just for kids right..? Obviously mature to you is 'Monster' and 'Deathnote' which makes it seems like you simpley want something atrificially deep and edgey.
7
BoonDocks as an example for serious and mature... Related picture of Rukus... Could it be because he watches anime...
Sorry but one for the road:
Controversial and mature aren't the same thing. Just because the people are animated realisticly doesn't give its gags a 'holier than thou' quality over all the animations you listed (and some you didn't) it is simply another social commentary and satire.
8
Comapring Simpsons to FMA is unjust. Simpsons is a juggernaut even in the west don't be so petty. I doubt that many cartoons produced outside of Japan can match FMA so readiliy.
That being said, I like Anime. Just stop justifying your interest because all you do is make it sound like something its not. Its not some art work to be admired in a museum, it is quite simply, something that is enjoyable to the viewer.
Hookay, you're clearly baiting me, but what the hell, let's take the flame-bait:
1) I did say "seems like", obviously, no one will ever replace furries. It was a hyperbolic joke dude.
2) Like I said to the previous poster, the arrogant attitude I wrote my OP in was for humor and to be attention grabbing. Go watch Jimquisition some time for an example.
3) Sounds to me like it's the annoying, vocal fans who should be hated in this case.
4) Did you read the whole thing? I did say multiple times that anime = animation. Like I said to the previous poster, when I said "anime is a medium" I didn't mean that I think anime is a medium separate from the actual medium of animation. I was trying to imply it's simply animation, nothing more.
5)
Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt was influenced by American animation? You don't say! It's not like the director, Hiroyuki Imaishi is a fan of American animation or anything!
Sorry, that was unnecessarily sarcastic. Yeah, the point of my little quiz was to show that you can't judge an animation style based on where it's made, as those images I posted don't look like they're from Japan. So yeah, obviously this means the creators were influenced by animation from other countries, that goes without saying.
6) When did I say that I think American animation is shit? I think you're reaching here dude. What I did say was that the image of animation in America changing from "stuff for kids" has only been a recent change. To think that the American animation industry has always been accepting of animation as more then "kids stuff" and is willing to use it for any genre is foolish. As I explained, America used to produce animation for adult audiences, but that changed in the 60s, and only recently, has been slowly starting to change back. Also keep in mind that I watch a LOT of American animation. And since that probably won't convince you, let me name drop a few of my favourites:
Daria, Pinky and The Brain, The Simpsons, Futurama, The Tick, Earthworm Jim, Family Guy, The Critic, American Dad!, Animanics, Road Runner and Wile E Coyote, Tom and Jerry, The Boondocks, South Park, Adventure Time, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Dilbert, Archer, Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law and
Robot Chicken
As to "artificially edgy", when I used the previously mentioned example, I didn't mean as examples of "edginess" (that honor would go to something like
Elfen Lied or
Narutaru), I used them as examples of animation with the kind of exciting, dark stories America only makes as live-action. Also, how old are you? The fact you're concerned about something childish like how "edgy" something is, makes me think not that old.
7) *pinches the bridge of nose and sighs* The reason I used
The Boondocks as an example is that it's funny, while also having it's more serious moments. This something that's very common in Japanese animation, which is the reason I mentioned Aaron McGruder. He's a fan of anime/manga, so he was obviously familiar with the concept that you can make a funny show, but that doesn't mean it needs to be funny all the time, it can have it's serious moments too. Besides, Uncle Ruckus is a great character, because he illustrates the double-standard when it comes to race, why should all the horrible things he says be OK simply because of the color of his skin? It's THIS kind of stuff that made me use
The Boondocks as an example.
8) In that example, I was simply comparing production costs, nothing more.
The Simpsons, a show with animation average by American standards costs this much, and FMA, a show with average animation by Japanese standards costs this much. Really, there's nothing more to read into this.
*dons flame-proof suit*
thelittleman66 said:
People don't really like anime because anime fans sometimes post long-winded speeches defending anime from non-existent threats.
Oooh, meta
