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Arina Love

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Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
About the only thing I didn't know was that some of those shows with the more unusual art styles existed (I did, however, know that studios with unique art styles existed. Ever watch Batman: Gotham Knight?) There's new Weaboos being born every day, though, and they do need to hear this stuff. Incidentally, I /wish/ anime designs were stuck in the late 80's-early 90's.
As an Animator in training, Realism is the nemesis to Animation. I can't comprehend why people would sit down to watch something like Akira, a film about post apocalyptic dystopian Tokyo, Psychics and living gods, would have a grind against unrealistic aesthetics. Also, from my point of view, pre-90's Anime was pretty rigid and unchanging from each decade back. Much like how Hanna Barbera cartoons of the 50s and 60s looked blatantly like Warner Brother and Disney serials from the same time (though much lower budget), the Anime of the 70's and 80's had a very distinctive look (I Grant you), but varied little from piece to piece (beyond themes and settings). Heck, though part of their charm, Studio Ghibli films haven't really changed aesthetically since after the Little Norse Prince. The fidelity has improved and the budget has obviously allowed for much higher quality animations (bigger studios and such).

Owyn_Merrilin said:
K-On and the like may look more realistic than the ones from the mid-late 90's, but none of it looks more realistic than it did from the late 70's through the early 90's. I don't know why everything got so much less realistic (on the whole; there's always been a range, it's just that the average character proportions have shifted from the more realistic style to the more cutesy style, even though examples of both styles have pretty much always existed), but it did, and I never did like that change, at least outside of most Shonen and certain Shojo series (where the characters are essentially superheroes, so the brighter colors and more flamboyant designs make sense.)
You may not have noticed but every medium goes through trends. Music, Film, Animation, Literature, Graphic Design, Architecture etc. differ from decade to decade (and even year to year) quite significantly. These trends always happen in large scale industry. Sometimes the change is so gradual it takes a retrospective look to go "Holy fuck! When did that change!". As far as I can tell, the last Decade of anime, though far less memorable then the 90's and 80's, is more stylistically liberal then those 2 decades combined. In the last 12 years, we've seen quite a variety in styles within anime. Look at shows like XXX holic, Ergo Proxy, Full Metal Alchemist, Serial Experiments Lain, Bunny Drop, Death Note and movies like Ghost in the Shell 2, Tokyo Godfathers, Summer Wars, Eden of the East (anime and OVA) ... to name but a few. There is a lot of variety in styles between each of them and each of them is great in their own right. You might be blinded by your retro goggles. Those Eras were great, but gold still flows in these rivers now.

Owyn_Merrilin said:
Incidentally: any animation fans, let alone anime fans, who haven't done it yet owe it to themselves to watch Akira(second pic in the first spoiler). I watched it for the first time last Spring, and it was one of the most beautiful animated films I've ever watched. It's like Disney decided to make an R-rated Cyberpunk movie that was otherwise in their traditional style.
It makes not a lick of sense though. Course thats part of it's charm I guess. Recommended none the less.

SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Name one Live Action TV series aimed at adults starring a child or an adult with extremely childish proportions in the main character role. Go.

Sup!
I dunno man. He seems to have facial hair. (By the way, might wanna add something to your post to avoid mod wrath. Did not report and telling you because im nice.)
That was probably a stupid choice. Try this one:


or this one:


Both characters are primary characters in the Game of Thrones series. The show has no archetypal lead, but disperses it's plot from character to character. These two have as much screen time as Tyrion (the dwarf) does over the course of the 1st season.
 

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Ragsnstitches said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with unrealistic characters in general (I watch more American cartoons than I do anime, for Pete's sake), it's just that there was something I liked about the older style. I don't think realism should be the ultimate goal of any medium, but when you're trying to tell a serious story, I kind of like to see serious character designs, you know? That's why I don't begrudge Shonen series descended from things like DBZ and Hokuto no Ken their flamboyant designs; the characters are pretty much superheros anyway, may as well let 'em be colorful. But when the premise of the show is ordinary people in extraordinary situations (which describes most fiction in general, let alone anime), a little bit of realism in the character designs is not a bad thing.
 

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Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.

Edit: If it's not entirely clear, every time someone says "Otaku," you should be translating it to "weaboo" in your head, because that's pretty much the closest English word to the Japanese concept.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.

Owyn_Merrilin said:
"Edit: If it's not entirely clear, every time someone says "Otaku," you should be translating it to "weaboo" in your head, because that's pretty much the closest English word to the Japanese concept."
you really don't know what this word mean do you? Otaku is "obsession with something" is really different for weaboo. There is a TON of otaku, train otaku, car otaku and so on so forth. Just sayin'.
 
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Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.

Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
 

Arina Love

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Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not anymore, yes i had many conversions with Japanese people and called myself an otaku and it was fine. There is still people that think that but majority is not.
 

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Nope. Still don't like most anime I've seen.
I was already aware of the cultural differences, the consequences and the technical limitations that result from that.

(animation isn't so much of a "children-only" market, so there are more studios that compete with each other, which in turn, means more limited budgets per studio since so many of them are trying to minimize their losses if they can't take off in the face of such competition.

Conversely, we have the opposite problem in America where garbage like Family Guy and Aqua Teen Hunger Force get overrated because there isn't as much competition among "adult" cartoons. I'm glad Futurama made it back though).
 
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Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not, yes there is still people that think that but majority is not.
Otaku is the honorific word of Taku (home).

Otaku is extremely negative in meaning as it is used to refer to someone who stays at home all the time and doesn't have a life (no social life, no love life, etc).

It essentially means you care only for anime/videogame etc at the expense of all social interaction.

It is indeed considered a negative character trait inside Japan.
 

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FireAza said:
Speaking of K-ON! and art styles, here's something you might enjoy:

Goddamn, the 90s were ugly.
the one from the 80,s makes her look like Lynn Minmay from Macross (which IS from the 80,s)
not everything from the 90,s looks that way for example Martian Successor Nadesico or Gundam Wing.
on Anime I don,t care if you call it cartoons just don,t buy something like Elfen Lied for your cousin,s 10th birthday and never assume that just because it,s animated it,s automatically for kids.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not, yes there is still people that think that but majority is not.
Otaku is the honorific word of Taku (home).

Otaku is extremely negative in meaning as it is used to refer to someone who stays at home all the time and doesn't have a life (no social life, no love life, etc).

It essentially means you care only for anime/videogame etc at the expense of all social interaction.

It is indeed considered a negative character trait inside Japan.
outdated info is outdated. Otaku is now something equivalent to a geek it's not bears heavy social stigma anymore. So word formation is irrelevant now.
an otaku is very social now, if you even been in Akihabara you would know that this word formation meaning is irrelevant and outdated now.
 
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Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not, yes there is still people that think that but majority is not.
Otaku is the honorific word of Taku (home).

Otaku is extremely negative in meaning as it is used to refer to someone who stays at home all the time and doesn't have a life (no social life, no love life, etc).

It essentially means you care only for anime/videogame etc at the expense of all social interaction.

It is indeed considered a negative character trait inside Japan.
outdated info is outdated. Otaku is now something equivalent to a geek it's not bears heavy social stigma anymore. So word formation is irrelevant now.
Mate, my best friend is an English teacher in Japan and has been studying Japanese since he was 15. I had this conversation with him a few weeks ago.

Otaku carries negative connotations inside Japan.

Identify yourself as an anime/videogame enthusiast, just don't use the word otaku.
 

Arina Love

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Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not, yes there is still people that think that but majority is not.
Otaku is the honorific word of Taku (home).

Otaku is extremely negative in meaning as it is used to refer to someone who stays at home all the time and doesn't have a life (no social life, no love life, etc).

It essentially means you care only for anime/videogame etc at the expense of all social interaction.

It is indeed considered a negative character trait inside Japan.
outdated info is outdated. Otaku is now something equivalent to a geek it's not bears heavy social stigma anymore. So word formation is irrelevant now.
Mate, my best friend is an English teacher in Japan and has been studying Japanese since he was 15. I had this conversation with him a few weeks ago.

Otaku carries negative connotations inside Japan.

Identify yourself as an anime/videogame enthusiast, just don't use the word otaku.
and i'm saying is ok to use word otaku among ourself anime enthusiasts because it's does not bear a stigma if you are insider. i have friends in japan too. it's just used to indicate level of your interest in this medium.
 

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OK before I say this I want to make clear that I am genuinely not trolling.

Anime is not a medium or a genre, it is just animation that happens to be made in Japan.
To me the idea of differentiating between the two has always seemed as absurd as differentiating between TV shows and programa de televisión, and if someone could explain why this is done I would be interested to know.
 
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Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not, yes there is still people that think that but majority is not.
Otaku is the honorific word of Taku (home).

Otaku is extremely negative in meaning as it is used to refer to someone who stays at home all the time and doesn't have a life (no social life, no love life, etc).

It essentially means you care only for anime/videogame etc at the expense of all social interaction.

It is indeed considered a negative character trait inside Japan.
outdated info is outdated. Otaku is now something equivalent to a geek it's not bears heavy social stigma anymore. So word formation is irrelevant now.
Mate, my best friend is an English teacher in Japan and has been studying Japanese since he was 15. I had this conversation with him a few weeks ago.

Otaku carries negative connotations inside Japan.

Identify yourself as an anime/videogame enthusiast, just don't use the word otaku.
and i'm saying is ok to use word otaku among ourself anime enthusiasts because it's does not bear a stigma if you are insider. i have friends in japan too.
Well I'm more inclined to believe my friend, who works with Japanese people from all walks of life.

You may think the word carries no negative connotations within anime fandom, and that may be true.

But I doubt racists think the word racist carries negative connotations within groups of racists.

Not that I'm comparing the two, but applying the same kind of logic. To the average Japanese person, being an otaku is a bad thing.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not, yes there is still people that think that but majority is not.
Otaku is the honorific word of Taku (home).

Otaku is extremely negative in meaning as it is used to refer to someone who stays at home all the time and doesn't have a life (no social life, no love life, etc).

It essentially means you care only for anime/videogame etc at the expense of all social interaction.

It is indeed considered a negative character trait inside Japan.
outdated info is outdated. Otaku is now something equivalent to a geek it's not bears heavy social stigma anymore. So word formation is irrelevant now.
Mate, my best friend is an English teacher in Japan and has been studying Japanese since he was 15. I had this conversation with him a few weeks ago.

Otaku carries negative connotations inside Japan.

Identify yourself as an anime/videogame enthusiast, just don't use the word otaku.
and i'm saying is ok to use word otaku among ourself anime enthusiasts because it's does not bear a stigma if you are insider. i have friends in japan too.
Well I'm more inclined to believe my friend, who works with Japanese people from all walks of life.

You may think the word carries no negative connotations within anime fandom, and they may be true.

But I doubt racists think the word racist carries negative connotations within groups of racists.

Not that I'm comparing the two, but applying the same kind of logic. To the average Japanese person, being an otaku is a bad thing.
and i'm believe my experience while staying in Japan.
and whay you want to have conversation about anime with average Japanese person? if you absolutely have to simple "i'm interested in anime" would be more than enough.
But when in conversation with fellow anime watcher is just simple to refer to myself as otaku, to indicate on what level our convo should be, by identifying myself as otaku i giving acknowledgement that i can keep up with conversation of my fellow otaku. and if you hardcore in more than one it helps too. like i do "i'm anime-game-figure otaku" that means i have handle "hardcore" conversation about this topics.
 

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To be honest my only problem with this article is that it seems you are generalizing the population. While all in all this is a fantastic read it seems like you think a large portion of the population believe these preconceptions of anime. There are plenty of people out there who believe them but not as many as it seems you think there are. Don't get me wrong I support this article 100% just make it so it doesn't feel like your attacking everyone.
 

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FireAza said:
Some of my favourite weird names are: [C]: The Money of Soul and Possibility Control


Micro-Mezzo-Macro Flation.

*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUSH-DEATH PYRE*

OT: I'm not really surprised by any of this, though I did find some of the art styles surprising and interesting. I don't particularly care if someone does not like a certain show, or a certain variety of shows. I just hate it when someone claims, "ALL ANIME IS [X]," like you said.

Condemning an entire form of media because you've seen maybe two or three examples of it and didn't like them is incomprehensibly dense. It'd be the same as me going, "I did not like this show I saw on TV. Therefore, I will never like any American television shows."
 
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Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Arina Love said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Arina Love said:
Been otaku for 7 years and it's an article for novice hardly a letter for fellow anime-otaku. Every point is well known for anime watcher 2+ years, so sensationalist headline "Everything you know about anime is wrong" is just immature, offensive and stupid. I appreciate article but tone down you ego and don't assume everyone is wrong.
And yet you still call yourself an otaku, which is an insult that nobody should be self identifying by. Just sayin'.
otaku is insult? ha, it's just what normal people use it to identify us, and i for one is proud of that word. If you really know this word, you would know that there is camp that proud of these word. Yes I'm an anime-figure-game-otaku, otaku is not insult. otaku CAN be used as insult in convo between normal people, but when two anime watchers are speaking it becomes normal word, i have many japanese otaku friends who openly refer to themselves as otaku in out everyday talk. know your stuff mate,Just sayin'.
No, an otaku is a social recluse who doesn't bathe and lives in filth.

Have a conversation with a Japanese person and identify yourself as an otaku see where it gets you, especially if you're proud of the fact.


Another example of non-Japanese people using the language completely incorrectly.
no it's not, yes there is still people that think that but majority is not.
Otaku is the honorific word of Taku (home).

Otaku is extremely negative in meaning as it is used to refer to someone who stays at home all the time and doesn't have a life (no social life, no love life, etc).

It essentially means you care only for anime/videogame etc at the expense of all social interaction.

It is indeed considered a negative character trait inside Japan.
outdated info is outdated. Otaku is now something equivalent to a geek it's not bears heavy social stigma anymore. So word formation is irrelevant now.
Mate, my best friend is an English teacher in Japan and has been studying Japanese since he was 15. I had this conversation with him a few weeks ago.

Otaku carries negative connotations inside Japan.

Identify yourself as an anime/videogame enthusiast, just don't use the word otaku.
and i'm saying is ok to use word otaku among ourself anime enthusiasts because it's does not bear a stigma if you are insider. i have friends in japan too.
Well I'm more inclined to believe my friend, who works with Japanese people from all walks of life.

You may think the word carries no negative connotations within anime fandom, and they may be true.

But I doubt racists think the word racist carries negative connotations within groups of racists.

Not that I'm comparing the two, but applying the same kind of logic. To the average Japanese person, being an otaku is a bad thing.
and i'm believe my experience while staying in Japan.
and whay you want to have conversation about anime with average Japanese person? if you absolutely have to simple "i'm interested in anime" would be more than enough.
But when in conversation with fellow anime watcher is just simple to refer to myself as otaku, to indicate on what level our convo should be, by identifying myself as otaku i giving acknowledgement that i can keep up with conversation of my fellow otaku. and if you hardcore in more than one it helps too. like i do "i'm anime-game-figure otaku" that means i have handle "hardcore" conversation about this topics.
This isn't about 'otaku not being a bad word for anime watchers', this is 'otaku still carries a social stigma is normal Japanese society.'

Way to 180 degree turn on your argument.