Evidence that would make you worship

[Mjolnir07]

Why would an all powerful diety give a flying monkey shit about what we do or don't do? See, this is why all these friggin' religions make no sense to me. Only religion I give the okay to is Buddism.

I recommend Gods Debris by the creator of Dilbert cartoons. He argues that god didn't give a shit, that being omnipotent is boring and that the only thing he didn't know would happen is if he blew himself to smitherines, that we are those smitherines. Little pieces of a god that couldn't find anything worthwhile to do with his godly time.

Interesting concept.

 

[Mjolnir07]

its weird to me how atheist seem so piss off all the time. if you don't believe in a G-d shouldn't you just not care? why do so many of you worry so much about the matter that you become so argumentative? i don't think anyone cares if you want to be an atheist anymore. atheism and Scientology are the newest religious trends so just ride the band wagon and have a good time, relax.

Im pissed because of the negative effects that all of these silly cults have had on society. Even now you attempt to take the moral high ground by calling my beliefs nothing more than a trend, and grouping me with scientology of all things. Scientology is no different from the other cults. You can take your damn caste systems and shove them up your ass.

atheism is the new trendy cult its in fashion like emo. sorry if it makes you mad or hurts your feelings that your a cultist, and that you absolutely love cults and all things cult related . you don't need to direct you childish aggression at me im just pointing out what i think is the obvious.

At the risk of oh shit I'm going to piss off moderators- Christianity was a cult among the Jews. They thought so, hard. They thought so-so hard that they crucified the leader of the cult. Who's to say Jesus meant for all of this to follow him, the christians have stolen pretty much all of their holidays from pagan ones. Did you know that Easter was named after our god Ostara? It means rebirth, her familiars are floppy eared bunny rabbits and she is symbolized by the cycle of the egg. Ever wonder why easter has anything to do with bunnies and eggs? Yeah. Now you do. How can you believe any of what they preach if even a single part of it is proven to be plagiarized? How can you believe that only a part of it is plagiarized and not the rest?

i don't even understand how this is your rebuttal to what i previously said it doesn't make any sense response wise. it seems to me that your just lashing out now redirect your anger do something positive with it. like i said before cool down just relax and ride the wagon everything's fine im not trying to push you off it.

Doesn't make sense? Just lashing out? Bullshit. You're ignoring the main fucking point of the post. All judeo christian groups are fucking cults. Christianity stole everything from other belief systems to make theirs more comfortable to outsiders. Even the idea that theres an energy or as they say "Gods presence" in everything is taken from the bhuddist/hindu/taoist groups. Christianity is no different from scientology, it was just an attempt to make money. The only difference is that christians are concerned with some damn see-through george fucking lucas in the sky and scientologists are concerned with their Xenu.

the reason it doesn't make sense, and i think your just lashing out is because none of that takes away from the fact that your a cultist, and my whole response before your went to the Christianity is this bla bla boring Christianity is that bla bla falling asleep bla bla was that your a cultist. it had nothing to do with Christianity unless you've switch over to Christianity during the course of this conversation you crazy cultist you.

I'm sorry, in your opinion, anyone who is not a Christian is a cultist? You do know that Christianity came around millenia after other religions right? Your blanket statements characterize your religion. You state arguments as fact and do not even hesitate to forget to provide any evidence to support them. Tell me, why is it that he is a cultist? Tell me, I mean seriously tell me, in a way that doesn't conclude even vaguely with "because he's not a Christian".

 

[Darkrain11]

Why would an all powerful diety give a flying monkey shit about what we do or don't do? See, this is why all these friggin' religions make no sense to me. Only religion I give the okay to is Buddism.

I recommend Gods Debris by the creator of Dilbert cartoons. He argues that god didn't give a shit, that being omnipotent is boring and that the only thing he didn't know would happen is if he blew himself to smitherines, that we are those smitherines. Little pieces of a god that couldn't find anything worthwhile to do with his godly time.

Interesting concept.

I think I will go get that book thank you very much and quite an intersting concept.

 

[Lavi]

Well, I'll throw in two cents. I was an atheist, and now I'm a theist. Did I fear death, sin, hell, God, Satan, pain, or insignificance? Did I have some tramatizing event in my life that made me feel the necessity of God? No. Not one of those things. Rather, I came to the logical conclusion that God can and does exist.

I considered what God was in religion itself and what God was to people. God, in the most simplistic form across all the world, is love. God is a personification of a concept common in the human experience. Sure, as you get Bibles and texts and Churches everyone wants to edit it to gain power. People stereotype religions according to which ones are most popular. How did Christianity gain such a ground in the world? Through coincidence, through the alteration by the hand of a man to make it meet his fancy. Take the most precious idea to a person and use it so they'll obey you. The most ammusing line from the Christian Bible must be the one of false prophets. Course, everyone takes that as the final days end of all things warning though the Bible itself is a false prophet added to most recently as the 1600s! As a religion gets more complex and popular and even gains a written language, it is now changed from an original concept. I once spoke to someone who practiced the old Cree ways. They said every religion is one and the same. Gee, I wonder why Christianity's texts preach so much hate? Cause it was necessary to put it on the pedestal it has now.

Is it not useless then to personify a concept common in human experience such as empathy (I suppose the ability to love another as much as you love yourself)? Well, we seem to gain some basic standards for life purely from empathy itself. Don't kill, don't steal, no adultry... the ten commandments are used in law not just cause they're Christian, but rather they seem to apply across times and societies (commandments are an example, but those sort of simple laws that aren't obscurely written down in a few passages seem to follow a pattern of 'don't harm everyone').

God's a word. Make it into whatever you want. If there's a million religions, there's 6 billion gods. Could do the actual percentage on that, but you get the point.

 

[Mjolnir07]

its weird to me how atheist seem so piss off all the time. if you don't believe in a G-d shouldn't you just not care? why do so many of you worry so much about the matter that you become so argumentative? i don't think anyone cares if you want to be an atheist anymore. atheism and Scientology are the newest religious trends so just ride the band wagon and have a good time, relax.

Im pissed because of the negative effects that all of these silly cults have had on society. Even now you attempt to take the moral high ground by calling my beliefs nothing more than a trend, and grouping me with scientology of all things. Scientology is no different from the other cults. You can take your damn caste systems and shove them up your ass.

atheism is the new trendy cult its in fashion like emo. sorry if it makes you mad or hurts your feelings that your a cultist, and that you absolutely love cults and all things cult related . you don't need to direct you childish aggression at me im just pointing out what i think is the obvious.

At the risk of oh shit I'm going to piss off moderators- Christianity was a cult among the Jews. They thought so, hard. They thought so-so hard that they crucified the leader of the cult. Who's to say Jesus meant for all of this to follow him, the christians have stolen pretty much all of their holidays from pagan ones. Did you know that Easter was named after our god Ostara? It means rebirth, her familiars are floppy eared bunny rabbits and she is symbolized by the cycle of the egg. Ever wonder why easter has anything to do with bunnies and eggs? Yeah. Now you do. How can you believe any of what they preach if even a single part of it is proven to be plagiarized? How can you believe that only a part of it is plagiarized and not the rest?

i don't even understand how this is your rebuttal to what i previously said it doesn't make any sense response wise. it seems to me that your just lashing out now redirect your anger do something positive with it. like i said before cool down just relax and ride the wagon everything's fine im not trying to push you off it.

Additionally, I assure that I personally am on no bandwagon. I can see where it might be popular to go against common or inherited belief. But I was never raised a Christian, so your blanket statement that to not believe in Christianity is a bandwagon is plainly false, if there is such a bandwagon I would have no reason to jump onto it because I was already traveling in a band convertible in the same direction on the same band-road from birth. I as well ensure that I have an argument to match each of yours, and that none of mine will ever be narrowed to "You'd understand if you only have faith" or "if you'd just believe in what you don't believe in, then you'd believe in it."

how can you say in the same sentence that your believe something that is popular but that your not on a bandwagon which means going with whats popular.

Because there are only 10,000 people in the fucking world who believe in Asatru, silly pants.'

Edit (That means that what I believe in is not popular, which means that just because it isn't what you believe in doesn't make it a bandwagon that everyone jumps on.)

 

[Gigawolf1]

I don't believe in anything that isn't me.

Therefore I would require that I usurp said omni-whatever deity (four omni's are given to uber-deus) via consumption of its powers and existence while retaining my own insane mind as the dominant sentience.

Or if it transcribed my ideas for me. I can never think of anything to write.

 

[Sparkytheyetti]

Looking back on history, id say organized religion has proven itself useless. So i dont necessarily care.

If a deity came to prove himself, IT could just honestly tell me the truth. Do some little thing like show me a different reality of myself or make some trees move. Just show us mere mortals, whatever happens, it's alright. Your still your own being and theirs nothing wrong with the choice. Wether you beleive in IT at all is entirely up to us. Regardless, if you truly feel that your life was, wasted, not what you wanted it to be, or cut short. Just try again. No hell or punishment. You just keep going back till you prove yourself worthy and are ready to accept his love and kindness. And thats all she friggin wrote!

 

[Mjolnir07]

its weird to me how atheist seem so piss off all the time. if you don't believe in a G-d shouldn't you just not care? why do so many of you worry so much about the matter that you become so argumentative? i don't think anyone cares if you want to be an atheist anymore. atheism and Scientology are the newest religious trends so just ride the band wagon and have a good time, relax.

Im pissed because of the negative effects that all of these silly cults have had on society. Even now you attempt to take the moral high ground by calling my beliefs nothing more than a trend, and grouping me with scientology of all things. Scientology is no different from the other cults. You can take your damn caste systems and shove them up your ass.

atheism is the new trendy cult its in fashion like emo. sorry if it makes you mad or hurts your feelings that your a cultist, and that you absolutely love cults and all things cult related . you don't need to direct you childish aggression at me im just pointing out what i think is the obvious.

At the risk of oh shit I'm going to piss off moderators- Christianity was a cult among the Jews. They thought so, hard. They thought so-so hard that they crucified the leader of the cult. Who's to say Jesus meant for all of this to follow him, the christians have stolen pretty much all of their holidays from pagan ones. Did you know that Easter was named after our god Ostara? It means rebirth, her familiars are floppy eared bunny rabbits and she is symbolized by the cycle of the egg. Ever wonder why easter has anything to do with bunnies and eggs? Yeah. Now you do. How can you believe any of what they preach if even a single part of it is proven to be plagiarized? How can you believe that only a part of it is plagiarized and not the rest?

i don't even understand how this is your rebuttal to what i previously said it doesn't make any sense response wise. it seems to me that your just lashing out now redirect your anger do something positive with it. like i said before cool down just relax and ride the wagon everything's fine im not trying to push you off it.

Doesn't make sense? Just lashing out? Bullshit. You're ignoring the main fucking point of the post. All judeo christian groups are fucking cults. Christianity stole everything from other belief systems to make theirs more comfortable to outsiders. Even the idea that theres an energy or as they say "Gods presence" in everything is taken from the bhuddist/hindu/taoist groups. Christianity is no different from scientology, it was just an attempt to make money. The only difference is that christians are concerned with some damn see-through george fucking lucas in the sky and scientologists are concerned with their Xenu.

the reason it doesn't make sense, and i think your just lashing out is because none of that takes away from the fact that your a cultist, and my whole response before your went to the Christianity is this bla bla boring Christianity is that bla bla falling asleep bla bla was that your a cultist. it had nothing to do with Christianity unless you've switch over to Christianity during the course of this conversation you crazy cultist you.

I'm sorry, in your opinion, anyone who is not a Christian is a cultist? You do know that Christianity came around millenia after other religions right? Your blanket statements characterize your religion. You state arguments as fact and do not even hesitate to forget to provide any evidence to support them. Tell me, why is it that he is a cultist? Tell me, I mean seriously tell me, in a way that doesn't conclude even vaguely with "because he's not a Christian".

i didn't say Christianity wasn't a cult. if you look back to my original statement on the matter you may understand better.

I see, so what is it that you do believe in? Being that cult means obscure group, what is your religion which you are comparing others to that makes them obscure to you?

 

[Jedoro]

In the end I'm willing to accept that I'm completely batshit insane and that my gods neither exist nor have ever talked to me. In the end I'm willing to accept that after this it's lights out, no light no dark no oblivion just lack of being. I personally feel that monotheistic religions are a fabrication of comfort, and that to need that degree of comfort is invalid, counter productive and even harmful to progress in this present life.

You know, I'm alright with that, too. I'm an extremely logical person, so it always crosses my mind that what I believe might be a lie, made up to comfort me and convince me that there is something after this life. I'm not being sarcastic at all, I completely understand how you feel and why.

I just... feel like there's something more, you know? Like something in me says to believe in this God that I put so much faith in. Doesn't make sense at all, but out of all the situations I've been in, that voice inside me hasn't ever steered me wrong, and that's honestly why I choose to believe.

I'm not saying it's wrong for you to not believe what I believe, because that's perfectly fine with me. Given your examples of intervention, the logic in me screams that you're right. Just saying, the main reason I believe isn't because my pastor tells me I should, or because I like that spiritual high or any of that, it's because it feels right to me.

 

[Jedoro]

actually J-s-s never says anything about hell a more accurate translation is Gehenna which is a place on earth where the Jews burnt their garbage. a lot of Christians don't believe in a hell at all only the grave which is what i think J-s-s was talking about. but if there was a hell i would say that G-d sends anyone there seeing as how we are all perfectly free i would as that a person that goes to hell chooses to go there.

of course i could be wrong nobody really knows not me or you or anyone we all just got to wait to find out.

I understand your point, but in the book of Revelations, there is mention of a lake of fire that some are sent to for eternity, which by itself sounds like a hell to me.

the bible only says that death and sin will burn in the lake of fire forever it never says that people will, but i differently see your point. revelations is a weird letter. with the lake of fire if its a literal place my hope is that the people that choose to go there are just annihilated just don't exists at all anymore, again like the grave. the reason i think this is because J-s-s says something like the penalty for sin is death not everlasting life in hell i mean the whole point of J-s-s coming was to give those that followed him forgiveness and everlasting life right? it would be weird to get to live forever either way.

Well, death is a separation, so it has a different meaning to God than it does to us, since he doesn't ever die in our sense of the word. To us, death means we lose someone or something, but since our souls are immortal, it just means they move on to the metaphysical realm of heaven and hell. To God, eternal life means being in heaven with him for all eternity, and not separated from him in hell.

its all in interpretation i guess. still i think my way sounds better.

Well of course, you do, that's why you believe it. Agree to disagree? *puts hand up for hi-five*

 

[Borntolose]

I don't think anything could ever make me worship any god.

 

[Mjolnir07]

To capitalize on this moment, I've got to tell you all that as an outside third-party neutral spectator if you will, that I haven't spoken to Yah-weh but I have to Ba'al Sathanus and hands down, you Christians are fucked. Again not my battle, your war on good and evil that is as you so aptly label it, but Satan told me that yes, you have it right, that yes, he is malevolently intending to destroy you all and bring you into an oblivion of suffering and eternal despair and yes, he has the means to do it. I mean he showed me those means. Pretty big intimidating dude I won't restrain from sharing with you, not as ugly as you may suspect.

Once more, Good luck with that.

 

[Mjolnir07]

I mean really though guys, if I had to bet money on either one of you my moneys going to Satan's side of the kickball field, he's one mean looking fellow. I strongly suggest you folks consider changing sides. His intentions seemed fairly sincere and well provoked, too.

 

[Mjolnir07]

I'm sorry, that was cruel.

This thread of course almost immediately drifted away from the OP into a "Why or why not Jesus was real" argument. I am ashamed to have given into the temptation to encourage this debate. To be fair, we all knew it was coming.

Let's not poke holes in eachother's beliefs in order to validate our own any further, shall we? We can all be friends, Atheist, Christan, Muslim, Buddhist, Jew and Self-Righteous smarmy pagan alike.

 

[Jedoro]

I'm sorry, that was cruel.

This thread of course almost immediately drifted away from the OP into a "Why or why not Jesus was real" argument. I am ashamed to have given into the temptation to encourage this debate. To be fair, we all knew it was coming.

Let's not poke holes in eachother's beliefs in order to validate our own any further, shall we? We can all be friends, Atheist, Christan, Muslim, Buddhist, Jew and Self-Righteous smarmy pagan alike.

Of course we can, I was just annoyed by how guy's arguments contradicted themselves, but ditching that topic in 3...2...1...

So how come you get to be the self-righteous one, eh?