Evolution & Atheism... Is it really more plausible?

[ICs2Xist]

the "Atheists, It's time to turn the spotlight on you" topic has me ranting. Such quotes as:

xXGeckoXx: "I will raise the child as a scientist. I will not teach him that there is a god. If he tells me that he has heard of religions and wants to know what they are all about i will tell him but I will tell him why it is scientiffically7 implausible. then once he has been told he can choose."

MalthusX: "I will teach them how some people thought the world was made, but I will point out that evolution makes more sense."

Does it really make more sense? Can people really argue this logically for me? Yes, I realize you can't completely disprove or even offer significant evidence against the fuzzy, biased view of the earth's creation by a Christian, but try and offer some real evidence FOR evolution.

aruki: "A fair judge [God] wouldn't tarnish everyone from a family, street, town or country or race for the acts of two individuals from centuries ago. Assuming the bible to be correct that is."

Okay, I know this post wasn't typical post, normally people replied a bit more intelligently than that in the thread. But posts that showed little to no knowledge of the Christian side of the picture were fairly common.

Okay guys... post. Please do so in an intelligent manner (I reserve the right to make fun of every grammatical error found), and, if you directly mention elements of Christianity... make sure you have some idea what you are talking about.

PS: Don't hate me for making a religious thread.

 

[fenrizz]

Sorry, you got me a tad confused.
What are you asking here?

Also, *raises flameshield*

 

[grimsprice]

1: This thread will last approximately 26 minutes before it is locked.

EDIT: wow, of all the evolution threads i've seen started, this one got the shit kicked out of it in 10 posts or less. Thumbs up to the awesome people below me.

 

[Aardvark]

The official stance is that God kickstarted Life and let it go nuts. When Humans came about, He showed up and said, "Hey, kids, check this out", then showed them how to murder'n'shit.

Well, probably not that, but the first part is true. God shows up, kickstarts a self-replicating chemical reaction and watches the results. Occasionally dropping a meteor or two, when He got bored.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Um, Catholicism acknowledges the fact that there could be evolution. Therefor, it accepts the ideas of God and evolution. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[MalthusX]

Just going to repost the link I did before:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html

Evolution is the correct explanation. How you shoehorn your god into it is of no concern of mine.

 

[MalthusX]

The official stance is that God kickstarted Life and let it go nuts. When Humans came about, He showed up and said, "Hey, kids, check this out", then showed them how to murder'n'shit.

Well, probably not that, but the first part is true. God shows up, kickstarts a self-replicating chemical reaction and watches the results. Occasionally dropping a meteor or two, when He got bored.

I've never heard this explained better. Awesome.

 

[Nicky 3 Beaves]

Isn't there another thread like this on the same page of the forum?

It is true evolution is based in well-founded provable facts, but thats the thing, if the bible was founded in true PROVABLE facts, than there would be no such thing as faith.

 

[MR.Spartacus]

Um, Catholicism acknowledges the fact that there could be evolution. Therefor, it accepts the ideas of God and evolution. They are not mutually exclusive.

Out of all the stories that one actually makes some sense. Especially since I forget part of the big big book mentions creation but it all seems either veg or metaphorical.

 

[Dys]

PS: Don't hate me for making a religious thread.

Fine, I'll hate you for knowingly starting a flame war. Honestly, if you cannot understand the basics of evoloution you are one of two things:
1. A moron
2. Too damned lazy to bother doing any basic research or readings on what it actually is (and then because you're trying to argue with it without any knowledge, a moron)

Neither have any place trying to contest it or imply it doesn't make sense. In the case of the second, here is a good place to start. You can read about some of the basic concepts without the "I'm not a monkey" bullshit most people would try and counter evolution theory with.

 

[LongAndShort]

The official stance is that God kickstarted Life and let it go nuts. When Humans came about, He showed up and said, "Hey, kids, check this out", then showed them how to murder'n'shit.

Well, probably not that, but the first part is true. God shows up, kickstarts a self-replicating chemical reaction and watches the results. Occasionally dropping a meteor or two, when He got bored.

This sure as shit makes the most scientific sense. I mean 'living organisms just randomly appeared' seems impossible and implausible. And if God didn't do it then what?

 

[MalthusX]

The official stance is that God kickstarted Life and let it go nuts. When Humans came about, He showed up and said, "Hey, kids, check this out", then showed them how to murder'n'shit.

Well, probably not that, but the first part is true. God shows up, kickstarts a self-replicating chemical reaction and watches the results. Occasionally dropping a meteor or two, when He got bored.

This sure as shit makes the most scientific sense. I mean 'living organisms just randomly appeared' seems impossible and implausible. And if God didn't do it then what?

Sarcasm? I really can't tell.

 

[Slyvena]

oh my.

ICs2Xist why bother, I'm a christian but I can still see posting this thread is a stupid idea. Are any of us really going to convince anyone else or be convinced to adopt their philosophy, No.

On a side note. Christians always speak about how evolution believing people take the bible out of context or misinterpret basic Christian concepts. And then (sometimes in the same sentence) do the same thing back!

I have done my own personnel research (Anti-Christian Sites are some of the best places to go test your knowledge on the bible. There are some really hard questions I love answering) and made my own decisions based on fact. And I can readily admit that most of what I 'know' about evolution is probably based in christian bias and blending of what the theory actually is.

 

[Biosophilogical]

Basically we have fossil evidence which indicates that creatures change as time progresses, as seen in the bacterium which develop immunities to =certain anti-biotics. We have also witnessed genetic mutations in our owns species as well as genetic dominance in other species.

Example of genetic dominance: A certain breed of moth during the civil war came in two colours, brown and grey. As most buildings were grey stone, the brown moths got eaten cause they didn't hide well, and so the grey moths flourished, when the buildings became wooden (brown) the grey moths got eaten and the brown moths flourished more.

Example of genetic mutations: Down syndrome is one, and cystic fibrosis is another, and the most obvious is cancer as it mutates within a single organism rather than through reproduction.

Basically we noticed a whole bunch of things and they pieced together to form what we call evolution, which is like a combination of mutations and natural selection.

 

[Cxizent]

PS: Don't hate me for making a religious thread.

Fine, I'll hate you for knowingly starting a flame war. Honestly, if you cannot understand the basics of evoloution you are one of two things:
1. A moron
2. Too damned lazy to bother doing any basic research or readings on what it actually is (and then because you're trying to argue with it without any knowledge, a moron)

Neither have any place trying to contest it or imply it doesn't make sense. In the case of the second, here is a good place to start. You can read about some of the basic concepts without the "I'm not a monkey" bullshit most people would try and counter evolution theory with.

Sounds fun! Did you also read this before you made this post? I sure know that I did, before instructing another to take the same road. Anyone can go there and read about some of the basic concept without the "God isn't fair" bullshit most people would try and counter Creation theory with.

Evolution has basis in fact. There are numerous fossils that show similarities to humans over the years, the fossils becoming more and more human-like as time came closer to the dawn of man. Plus our DNA is shared with several of our ancestors, AKA Monkeys.

Atheism is plausible because, if there's no evidence for God Existing/Not-Existing, I'll just take it that he doesn't exist.

And that's how I proved that Man evolved from cabbages! They share DNA, you know!

Seriously, people. Have some congruety in your arguments, please. Yes. I know that Evolution has a lot of basis in scientific fact. Yes. I know that there are still things yet to be explained, that may point in other directions.

Just because he started a religious thread doesn't give grounds to call him a moron. If you like to think of the escapist as an intelligent community, despite the mounting evidence, then be prepared to discuss topics like this without resorting to namecalling by the end of the first page, please.

 

[LongAndShort]

The official stance is that God kickstarted Life and let it go nuts. When Humans came about, He showed up and said, "Hey, kids, check this out", then showed them how to murder'n'shit.

Well, probably not that, but the first part is true. God shows up, kickstarts a self-replicating chemical reaction and watches the results. Occasionally dropping a meteor or two, when He got bored.

This sure as shit makes the most scientific sense. I mean 'living organisms just randomly appeared' seems impossible and implausible. And if God didn't do it then what?

Sarcasm? I really can't tell.

No I'm serious. Looking back it probably doesn't make the most SCIENTIFIC sense, maybe mathematical sense (as it all involves random chance). I agree with this theory, sorry if it sounds sarcastic.

 

[Biosophilogical]

I mean 'living organisms just randomly appeared' seems impossible and implausible. And if God didn't do it then what?

Well if there are an enormous amount of planets out there (like trillions probably), the chances of there being at least one where a lightning strike or a super-heated phenomenon occured and caused the first cell to be formed are pretty high, especially when you consider the fact that the universe may have existed forever. albeit in different states. But eventually something like life would occur and I don't understand why people think there has to be any rhyme or reason to existance.

 

[ICs2Xist]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

so much for intelligent responses?

A shocking lack of grammatical errors, good show there. But seriously... read some of these:

Okay guys... post. Please do so in an intelligent manner (I reserve the right to make fun of every grammatical error found), and, if you directly mention elements of Christianity... make sure you have some idea what you are talking about.

Evolution has basis in fact. There are numerous fossils that show similarities to humans over the years, the fossils becoming more and more human-like as time came closer to the dawn of man. Plus our DNA is shared with several of our ancestors, AKA Monkeys.

Atheism is plausible because, if there's no evidence for God Existing/Not-Existing, I'll just take it that he doesn't exist.

Show me a REAL missing link, noob. Part of the point of this thread is to have people actually give real EXAMPLES. That seems to be the problem nowadays. You say, "this is supported by facts and statistics," and people believe you. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS POST. And fossils that show similarities... hmmm. Maybe because those bones work? Maybe they serve a freakin similar purpose??? Geez. Good job regarding grammar and spelling though.