Evolution & Atheism... Is it really more plausible?

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Spyre2000

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There are a lot of unanswered questions. Personally I like to look at more recent history because I think they pose much more interesting then going back millions and billions of years. Like for starters it was mentioned humans have been around for 100K years. I think that number is off a bit. I recall watching a documentary some time ago which talked about the history of human evolution and tracing our linage back. Well new estimates as I recall put it back to more like 250K years.

So a more interesting question is even if you assume the 100K year number the question is what took us so long to develop technology? If the human remains they found do match modern day humans and show they would be similar to us then why did it take 100K years to develop into the modern technological world? Now I understand the dark ages and that knowledge was lost but that is only for a few centuries and were talking 100K+ years here were humans were as intelligent as they are today even if uneducated.

Interestingly the first civilization seems to spring up overnight. And it's not a simple one either. Do some research on the Sumerians. We get the 24 hour day divided into 60 minutes from them, 360 degrees in a circle, the first written language, and so on. In fact a lot can be traced back to them. Much of Egyptian knowledge came from them as Egypt roses out of the ashes along with many other early civilizations that we are more familiar with. Yet not much is ever talked about Sumerians.

So back to the original question of if people have been around in their present form and intelligence for at least 100K years then what were they doing for those first 90K+ years because it stands to reason at least one group should of developed technologically. It only stands to reason that someone somewhere would of developed the technology much sooner given our intelligence. It's like the story of when the laser was invented. Three different people in 3 different parts of the world all get the idea for the laser at about the same time be it a few weeks or months apart. But there still work on their own without any knowledge of each other or that the others are working on it.

So why not with farming, city development, mathematics, writing, and a ton of other things? Why only in that one place and why only after tens of thousands of years of humans being around? There were people all over the world at that point which has been shown through fossil records. And given human intelligence it's quite obvious that technology can develop rapidly in a very short period of time but it can also be lost just as quickly given war, natural disaster, or etc. This I understand and accept.

It does not explain however why humans waited so long to develop even the most primitive technologies when our bodies and minds had developed to the point they are today where we pretty much need technology to survive. And humans have been around for long enough to develop different physical characteristics that suit the local environment. Something that was estimated to take at least 20K years for each split. And is also estimate that if all global travel were to stop that in 20K years each region would return to the same ethnicity group that is associated with that area because of natural adaptation. Since things like skin color actually have a function such as effecting how much sunlight our body absorbs so that we can make Vitamin D while also preventing the break down of other Vitamins in our body. One of which actually effects woman and pregnancy. Though I forget the medical specifics.
 

Lieju

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I have never seen a species of animals being poofed into existence by magic.

So I'll just go with science in this one.
 

MR.Spartacus

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Okay I've got a better idea. How about instead of trying to me why to tell me how evolution is wrong why don't you explain why intelligent design, or creationism, or whatever you want to call it is better?
 

Zacharine

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VanityGirl said:
We evolved from single cell organisms (supposedly). My question, where did the single cell organisms come from? That had to be there at some point.
I'm trying to help out the other side here, also I don't like the idea of being evolved from apes, because it doesn't make sense for apes to still exist today. (Why didn't they evolve? o_O)
This has been dealt by many people in great detail, both in the Internet and in books before that. Here's a few simple explanations of possible methods for a-bio-genesis or 'life from non-life'. How exactly things went on Earth in the past, we do not know. But here is couple of ways it might have happened. No supernatural forces, no outside interference. Just simple inorganic and organic chemistry. Note that Organic Chemistry is simply the chemistry of organic materials, or molecules with a coal-chain as a basis. These form all the time in inorganic surroundings.



 

Flying-Emu

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Lukyo said:
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Lukyo said:
Good night then. But with all due respect you have a very odd notion of happiness.
And with all due respect, stop trolling.

This isn't worth arguing. Micro-Evolution is a bloody fact, and is about as deniable as gravity and Newton's First Law. Macro-Evolution admittedly has holes, but its still the best guess we've got as to how things came about.

Either way. Everyone can have their own beliefs about it, it's not like bickering over the internet is going to change anyone's opinion.

This coming from a Christian Deist.
I never disagreed with micro-evolution. Even a hard nosed fundamentalist can acknowledge that it happens. Of course if by evolution you mean coping errors due to heat and radiation, then I don't agree by any means.

A Christian Deist? There's contradiction in terms.
Deism: Belief that the world was set in motion by a higher power who created the world and laws of physics and allowed the world to spin of its own accord. I believe that higher power was the Christian God, the Jewish Yahweh, etc. and that the Bible is essentially a bunch of men trying to interpret what little interference God gave the world.
 

Lukyo

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Flying-Emu said:
Lukyo said:
Flying-Emu said:
Lukyo said:
Good night then. But with all due respect you have a very odd notion of happiness.
And with all due respect, stop trolling.

This isn't worth arguing. Micro-Evolution is a bloody fact, and is about as deniable as gravity and Newton's First Law. Macro-Evolution admittedly has holes, but its still the best guess we've got as to how things came about.

Either way. Everyone can have their own beliefs about it, it's not like bickering over the internet is going to change anyone's opinion.

This coming from a Christian Deist.
I never disagreed with micro-evolution. Even a hard nosed fundamentalist can acknowledge that it happens. Of course if by evolution you mean coping errors due to heat and radiation, then I don't agree by any means.

A Christian Deist? There's contradiction in terms.
Deism: Belief that the world was set in motion by a higher power who created the world and laws of physics and allowed the world to spin of its own accord. I believe that higher power was the Christian God, the Jewish Yahweh, etc. and that the Bible is essentially a bunch of men trying to interpret what little interference God gave the world.

A little interference? God is always maintaining the universe. Nothing in the universe happens without his ordainment. A Deist God NEVER interacts with his creation, even Wikipedia understands that. That means you have to deny Jesus who is God walking on Earth in Human form to save His people from there Judgment, which also puts you outside of Christian theology.
 

Downfall89

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If Evolution is wrong, why do they teach it in High Schools? And why do no kids from religious upbringings stand up and yell, "No! That's not right! God made humans! We didn't come from animals!" I have never seen this in my entire life, and I've had friends that are extreme religious fundamentalists who didn't care about the idea of Evolution when our science teacher decided that was the next topic to do.