Evolution is real. Its a real thing that really does happen and did happen. Gah!

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Imat

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Jacco said:
Why are people so fucking stupid?! I don't get it!

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think evolution is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

Evolution is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.
We can watch evolution happen? Isn't that kinda the point of evolution, that it takes millions of years for the tiniest of changes to take effect through successive generations? Therefore we most certainly can NOT watch it happen? Which means you shouldn't believe in evolution, because it isn't directly observable...

I say let people believe what they want. Next you'll start a thread about how religion is so stupid, because *Insert partially correct but overall flawed logical statement here*.

For the record, I don't believe in the idea that humans came from monkeys. Evolution can exist in the same reality as creationism, but not the evolution most commonly taught nowadays. Natural selection is a verifiable thing. Humans coming from monkeys is conjecture. Scientists also told me Pluto isn't a planet, and that is simply false.
 

mateushac

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Where's all the love for Lamarck, ppl?

OT: Sure evolution through natural selection is a pretty solid theory, still it IS actually just that, a theory. If people choose to believe creationism and it fulfills their questions and needs, I'm totally fine with it!
 

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evilneko said:
Why are there still monkeys?

Because my friend, we are monkeys.

Also,



This thread will reach 20+ pages.
Ah HA! I gotcha now! Humans aren't monkeys, we're APES! You were wrong, therefore, evolution is wrong! Creationists win!
 

Ultrajoe

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Imat said:
We can watch evolution happen?
Yup. Easiest example is dairy cows, look at the massive udders they have, their altered gait and thinner hides. Compared to their Auroch ancestors, that's a huge shift.

Isn't that kinda the point of evolution, that it takes millions of years for the tiniest of changes to take effect through successive generations?
The big changes take millions of years, man, the tiniest of changes you can cook up yourself with no trouble at all. Mendel had his peas, dog breeders have turned wolves into corgis, dairy cows have become lactose factories... You can stick colored rocks in a guppy pond and drastically alter the coloration of the male population. Those aren't 'the tiniest changes'.

Therefore we most certainly can NOT watch it happen?
We can watch our own pinky toes shrink from generation to generation, man.

Which means you shouldn't believe in evolution, because it isn't directly observable...
And what leads you to think this? It seems silly.
 

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Okay this is really starting to piss me off. There is a religion and politics section and everyone keeps ignoring it. Please read your title and opening thesis again, what is it saying?
 

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Imat said:
We can watch evolution happen? Isn't that kinda the point of evolution, that it takes millions of years for the tiniest of changes to take effect through successive generations? Therefore we most certainly can NOT watch it happen? Which means you shouldn't believe in evolution, because it isn't directly observable...
Actually we have observed sufficient changes over generations to support the theory of macro-evolution. Multidrug resistant strains of bacteria are the best example of this because it works as follows:

1. A drug is made that affects all or nearly all bacteria in a species by inhibiting some vital chemical pathway resulting in its death over time.
2. This is applied across millions of people and trillions of bacteria. The differences in these colonies and environments mean that some strains die faster than others. Those that take longer to die have a better chance to reproduce or survive if the patient stops taking the medication.
2a. As all of these drugs are based on very specific chemical pathways working in a specific way random mutations that would otherwise be selected against will at times emerge that improve resistance to the drug.
3. These resistant mutations propagate over generations and more of these traits develop and are shared as some species of bacteria are capable of "eating" each other to absorb DNA thus allowing beneficial traits to be passed in a manner outside of simple cell division.
4. The drug resistant strain merges with other resistant strains through the above process or is selected for via the above mechanisms thus causing two possible paths of development.

So there you have it, a trait that did not exist before appears within a species via mutation and is selected for because of external forces. All of which has happened many times within the past fifty years, and trust me, the medical community would be ecstatic if this didn't occur. Unfortunately because there are strains of TB out there that are resistant to every single drug on the market the evidence says otherwise.


The second major element of macro-evolution is speciation, where one species has a fork in its evolutionary tree and becomes two distinct species that cannot interbreed via normal means. If you need evidence of this look at dogs. All of these are the result of thousands of years of selective breeding and last I checked great danes and toy poodles can't breed without external help.

That said speciation is a very tricky thing because there are some species that we thought were separate that can interbreed. For example polar bears and grizzly bears can reproduce and produce viable offspring. This tells us that at some point long ago there was likely a genetic fork, but that they haven't been separated long enough for reproduction to become impossible.

Imat said:
For the record, I don't believe in the idea that humans came from monkeys. Evolution can exist in the same reality as creationism, but not the evolution most commonly taught nowadays. Natural selection is a verifiable thing. Humans coming from monkeys is conjecture. Scientists also told me Pluto isn't a planet, and that is simply false.
Scientists do not believe that humans came from monkeys. The belief is that humans can from a shared ancestor to modern apes and ourselves. Also scientists told you that Pluto was an object that didn't have sufficient mass to obtain hydrostatic equilibrium and thus did not meet with the new definition of a planet, which was introduced after many objects larger than Pluto were found that were nonetheless not treated as planets.
 

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Evolution is (currently) only a theory. For you to take it as irrevocable fact and cry foul at those who don't believe this theory to be plausible (as no theory can in truth be considered correct) is to be a little arrogant and a little closed-minded. Who's to say any other theories aren't just as plausible? You may certainly have your preferred theory, but don't talk down others. Might just so happen that you are proven wrong someday.
 

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Imat said:
Jacco said:
Why are people so fucking stupid?! I don't get it!

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think evolution is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

Evolution is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.
We can watch evolution happen? Isn't that kinda the point of evolution, that it takes millions of years for the tiniest of changes to take effect through successive generations? Therefore we most certainly can NOT watch it happen? Which means you shouldn't believe in evolution, because it isn't directly observable...


I say let people believe what they want. Next you'll start a thread about how religion is so stupid, because *Insert partially correct but overall flawed logical statement here*.

For the record, I don't believe in the idea that humans came from monkeys. Evolution can exist in the same reality as creationism, but not the evolution most commonly taught nowadays. Natural selection is a verifiable thing. Humans coming from monkeys is conjecture. Scientists also told me Pluto isn't a planet, and that is simply false.
You can observe the effects of evolution. Essentially watching it happen.

And no, humans didn't come from monkeys. What happened was that there was a monkeyish thing that split off into both what is now humans and what monkeys are. They wouldn't have been monkeys, but they were damn similar. When people say we evolved they mean we have to same roots.

Also, why is pluto a planet? To be a planet it needs to be the dominant gravitational force in it's orbit, which it's not. To put it in perspective, The Earth has 1.7 million times the mass of the other objects in its orbit, while Pluto is only 0.07 times the mass of the other objects in its orbit.
What's your reasoning, other than it's what I got told when I was a kid and it's fairly big in outer space?
 

Ultrajoe

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Mimsofthedawg said:
to put it simply, there are far more accurate ways to measure the age of the earth taht indicates its thousands of years old..... not millions. You. just. can't. argue. against. it. YOU JUST FUCKING CAN'T.
Like what? What method of dating puts the earth at under a million years old? Scientific method, I mean. Can you name or describe one?

Mimsofthedawg said:
Fossils don't entirely count for a lot of different reasons, primarily faulty science (hmmmm.......... this guy has a posture like a chicken... MUST BE RELATED TO A CHICKEN!) #oversimplification.
Could you expand on the reasons you disagree with the fossil record? I may be able to clear up some misconceptions you have with the method.
 

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EcoEclipse said:
Evolution is (currently) only a theory. For you to take it as irrevocable fact and cry foul at those who don't believe this theory to be plausible (as no theory can in truth be considered correct) is to be a little arrogant and a little closed-minded. Who's to say any other theories aren't just as plausible? You may certainly have your preferred theory, but don't talk down others. Might just so happen that you are proven wrong someday.
Gravity is only a theory. In science THEORY means "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." A fact is something we know as a given such as: most things fall down unless supported. This led to the Newtonian THEORY of gravity which states that "a=G*m / d^2". This is a theory as it provides us with an explanation of the natural world that we can test and confirm. We have shown that this is NOT a perfect explanation, but for most purposes it works thus we keep using it. In science theories are replaces when a better explanation comes along, but the bugger is you can't be certain if a better one will ever come along until it does. So far nothing has topped the general framework of evolution via natural selection.
 

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Launcelot111 said:
The best argument I've ever seen is that we can't possibly have DNA in our bodies because the A stands for acid. Thus, if we had DNA, we'd melt. Flawless logic
You, good sir, made me laugh quite a lot.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Dont they still call this the "theory" of evolution? Meaning its not 100% fact?

Yeah, the people who call it just a consipracy are ignorant, but just calling them idiots is just as ignorant. Actually study and look into this stuff before you make a decide whats up.
Well, evolution is a fact. We have an near insurmountable amount of evidence showing us that it happens.

However, the explanation on how exactly it works is up for debate. Or rather, not fully understood. Therefore, when you hear "the theory of evolution", what is actually meant is the current theory on how evolution works.
 

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God is real. He's a real thing that really does exist and has forever. Gah!

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think religion is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

God's power is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.
 

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People just keep going on about this. It's evolution! No, it's God's plan!

How about this...

What if evolution IS God's plan? -Law and Order Sound-

Maybe I should have my flame shield handy now.
 

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If you look at your dog or cat at home, some form of evolution exists.

Mmkay, we all know dogs originated from wolves, right? Well, where did the Chihuahua come from? How about the Greyhound, German Shepherd Dog or Poodle? Every breed (keyword being BREED) of domestic animal is the product of evolution. A lot of people seem to ignore that 0-0. Ancient human creatures tamed friendly wolves. As time went by, they bred them based on what was needed and picking the best to continue the next generation. This was accomplished by taking advantage of certain behavioural and physical traits and mutations. The very definition of a "breed" is an animal shaped through human-guided evolution (as opposed to a species forged by nature. A red wolf is not a breed, and neither is a timber wolf). We bred the lean and fast dogs to create Greyhounds, the gentle yellow fluffy dogs to be Golden Retrievers, the agile and plucky ones to be Jack Russel Terriers, etc etc /GROSS oversimplification on everything.

A lot of the breeds we have today were crossed by dogs (often other breeds) to the point where the goal has been reached and they breed true (again, gross oversimplifcation). For example, the Doberman Pinscher includes breeds like the Beauceron, Rottweiler, Great Dane, and German Shorthaired Pointer.

Related because the stupidest thing I've been personally told by someone said about evolution is that all the breeds of dog were created by God. Thing is, most breeds today have orignated within the last 300 years. In fact, the only dog breed mentioned (from what I'm told) in the Bible is "greyhounds", which could mean many different breeds like the original Greyhound or Saluki. They are among the oldest dog breeds, and they sure as hell don't look like wolves.
 

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Basicly when a species evolves over hundreds of generations that new species has a trait that the previous did not that allows it to survive better then before. It is honestly not that complicated.
Evolution isn't about survival or longevity; evolution is all about fecundity. Although the former two can affect the latter, they are neither necessary nor sufficient for a genetic trait to carry forward into future generations.

Just ask certain kinds of male spiders.