Evolution is real. Its a real thing that really does happen and did happen. Gah!

[Arkynomicon]

I don't care if evolution is real but I do think religion is mostly bullshit when it comes to creationism.

 

[Woodsey]

Pokemon don't exist, since they don't exist they cannot evolve, because they cannot evolve, we cannot evolve.

/thread

Also, it technically it's still a theory. It isn't right but like all beliefs it isn't wrong.

Evolution is a theory. While it is the theory with the most evidence behind it (maybe even the only theory with evidence behind it when looking at what caused the biodiversity on Earth) and I do believe in it, it is still a theory. Let me put this in perspective though: gravity is a theory, the sun rising tomorrow is a theory, basically everything like that is theory. Not that hard to understand. Hopefully some people learned something from this.

Theories are the why/explanation/process, facts are the what. "It's still a theory" doesn't mean anything; the scientific definition is not the same as the everyday one.

Are we getting that everyone in the thread that'll say something similar?

[HEADING=1]the scientific definition is not the same as the everyday one.[/HEADING]

And Terminate, your point about disproving higher powers is incredibly flawed. If people are going to make such verbose claims then they had better have overwhelming amounts of evidence, if not, of course people aren't going to take them seriously. Why the hell would they? They're the ones with the burden of proof.

The same goes for anything.

While I do actually belive in Evolution, I think (I may be wrong) that it hasn't actually been proved has it? It's still only a theory. But I do agree, it's very probably true.

My soulution to dealing with people with this much stupid? Either ignoring them, or explaining my point in a clear, impossible to misunderstand way, with lots of big words to scare them. Nothing like proving someone wrong in an obvious manner, and leaving them no way to disagree without looking like a prick.

It's been observed in labs in microorganisms. See above for "still only a theory".

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html

 

[Terminate421]

It doesn't matter what some monkeys believe, it doesn't stop Evolution from being the truth, no matter your messed up belief system. I also hate how people claim creationism is a theory as much as Evolution is. A theory in scientific terms means more than just a geuss, a theory in science is a closely examined possibility with EVIDENCE to back it up.

Dinosaurs were put there to test our faith. Get fuckin' real.

Yeah, but that doesn't ultimately disprove thousands of years of belief in a higher power. Its like we have two different kinds of assholes on either side:

A. Assholes who think that everyone who isn't in there religion is burning in a hell.
B. Assholes who think that everyone who is in a religion is an idiot and wrong.

C. People who aren't strictly opposed to religion per se, but think that if a particular belief runs counter to what has actually been proven, then there is no reason to hold on to that belief just because of inertia.

Creationism has not been proven. Evolution has. Therefore, to hold on to creationism as the truth for no reason other than believing a book written and rewritten many times during the last couple thousand years over fully tested and peer-reviewed scientific proof is folly, and should be recognized as such.

I said two different kinds of assholes. I wonder what your post is similar to right now.....

Now then, its just as wrong to follow a book as wrong is it to follow "evidence" that scientists brought in a said as their theory's. I'm not saying Evolution or the dinosaurs were not real, but I am saying its wrong to just blindly follow whatever a bunch of people you've never met are saying because they did some tests.

And before the "hypocritical" idea is brought in that says "So why do you blindly follow Jesus?" Because it's called a fuckin' faith. Believing. You know, something you put out as a risk.

 

[Strain42]

Honestly, I converted to Arceism about a year ago, and it's the best choice I've ever made. It's a religion that supports both the belief of a creator, AND the belief of evolution.

Why more people don't worship Arceus honestly baffles me.

 

[Coldster]

Evolution is a theory. While it is the theory with the most evidence behind it (maybe even the only theory with evidence behind it when looking at what caused the biodiversity on Earth) and I do believe in it, it is still a theory. Let me put this in perspective though: gravity is a theory, the sun rising tomorrow is a theory, basically everything like that is theory. Not that hard to understand. Hopefully some people learned something from this.

Evolution is a theory; That organisms have changed over time, and that those changes are able to be quantified, predicted and even controlled is a fact. Gravity is a theory; Attraction towards the closest body with the greatest mass is a fact.

The sun rising tomorrow is not a theory. Barring some infinitesimally small chance that the Earth will suddenly stop rotating along its axis, the sun WILL rise tomorrow.

I got the "sun rising tomorrow is a theory" from a professor at the University of Waterloo. I'm pretty darn sure someone who teaches physics and astronomy would be correct. If you say the sun will rise tomorrow, you don't know if you're right until that happens. You are speculating and therefore it is a theory.

Captcha: step back

I think the captcha knows what you should be doing. XD

 

[burningdragoon]

Theories are the why/explanation/process, facts are the what. "It's still a theory" doesn't mean anything; the scientific definition is not the same as the everyday one.

Are we getting that everyone in the thread that'll say something similar?

[HEADING=1]the scientific definition is not the same as the everyday one.[/HEADING]

Language is very powerful. It's a shame that power often causes misunderstandings like this. Scientific theory is just another (quite important) victim to it.

 

[Xangba]

And we did come from monkeys. Too bad we did not get to keep our tails...

The more common theory is that we have a common ancestor and somewhere split into two different...what is it? Genera? I'm rusty on my biology. So not from monkeys.

 

[Strain42]

Honestly, I converted to Arceism about a year ago, and it's the best choice I've ever made. It's a religion that supports both the belief of a creator, AND the belief of evolution.

Why more people don't worship Arceus honestly baffles me.

If Arceus is so powerful, why can he be caught in a Pokeball? Why does he need Plates to change type? Why does he not have an ability that can instantly defeat any opposing Pokemon? Arceism just doesn't hold up, man...

-covers ears- BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!

Look at me, I'm religious!

Besides, Arceus is kick-ass in Conquest. No pokeballs there, and his Judgment attack can destroy all, including those of Rock, Steel or Ghost.

 

[burningdragoon]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm not exactly a religious scholar after all.. But isn't one of the tenants the idea of 'testing one's faith'? A scientist has faith in his theory. So he tests it. A religious person has faith in a higher power. Should they not then test it?

It's been awhile since I've actually studied it, but I'm pretty sure that your faith being tested isn't coming from yourself, but from outside forces (or God or something, whatever, I'm a "bad" Christian in this regard).

Honestly, I converted to Arceism about a year ago, and it's the best choice I've ever made. It's a religion that supports both the belief of a creator, AND the belief of evolution.

Why more people don't worship Arceus honestly baffles me.

That's just silly. I'm a Christian, and I do not doubt evolution at all. I didn't even consider evolution and creation (for a lack of a better, less tainted term *sigh* Creationism) were even in conflict until I grew up and became aware of the more common issues. And even then, I quickly dismissed the issue as "not one" and.... *Googles Arceism* oh it's a Pokemon thing. That was a joke? Gotcha.

 

[Strain42]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm not exactly a religious scholar after all.. But isn't one of the tenants the idea of 'testing one's faith'? A scientist has faith in his theory. So he tests it. A religious person has faith in a higher power. Should they not then test it?

It's been awhile since I've actually studied it, but I'm pretty sure that your faith being tested isn't coming from yourself, but from outside forces (or God or something, whatever, I'm a "bad" Christian in this regard).

Honestly, I converted to Arceism about a year ago, and it's the best choice I've ever made. It's a religion that supports both the belief of a creator, AND the belief of evolution.

Why more people don't worship Arceus honestly baffles me.

That's just silly. I'm a Christian, and I do not doubt evolution at all. I didn't even consider evolution and creation (for a lack of a better, less tainted term *sigh* Creationism) were even in conflict until I grew up and became aware of the more common issues. And even then, I quickly dismissed the issue as "not one" and.... *Googles Arceism* oh it's a Pokemon thing. That was a joke? Gotcha.

Yeah, sorry. I could have made that clearer. I have absolutely nothing against anyone because of their religious beliefs. I'm not even an Atheist or anything myself. So I wasn't trying to mock or belittle anyone's faith.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

To be fair I can see why some people doubt evolution, when I see the face of the people who deny it, I figure they've got a mirror, and realised evolution sure as hell never affected them

Wasn't it Bill Hicks?
"I Believe I was created in 7 days!"
"and I believe he rushed it"

 

[omega 616]

Why are people so fucking stupid?! I don't get it!

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think evolution is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

Evolution is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.

This is so funny, I have a friend who adamantly knows evolution is bullshit and "laughs at people who think it's true" he made me listen to some crazy maths guy who goes into the probability of humans having the perfect DNA we do now. The guy said imagine our DNA is the alphabet in perfect order, what are the chances that would happen blah blah blah"

I asked the simple question "what about if our DNA isn't the perfect alphabet?" to which he responded then we wouldn't look like humans ... he evidently missed my point.

He was brought up as the worst named religious group though, Jehovah's witness (what exactly do they witness? To become one do you have to watch a tape or something? 'cos if you don't watch it to witness it aren't you just a Jehovah?). This guy thinks he is smarter than most professional scientists 'cos he claims to be a man of science ....

I shall have a look to see if I can find that video he made me listen to, admittedly I never really listened closely as it seemed to be based on a flawed premise.