Existential Depression - The Philosopher's Bane

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Raven's Nest

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So I've recently discovered that I appear to be suffering with existential depression.

I've spent the could part of a year trying to discover who I am and what I'm doing here. During my pondering I explored basic philosphy, spirituality, personality disorders, sociology, ethics and even apocolypse theories...

After realising that I had merely found a bucket load more questions than answers, I began to realise one fundamental truth...

We will never know the answers... And if we did, we wouldn't even know what to do with them...

It essentially means I have realised there is no meaning to life other than what I create for myself... It is only my own sense of morality that makes me care about anything anymore.

Here is a little blurb about the realtion between this form of depression and gifted peoples.

It has been my experience that gifted and talented persons are more likely to experience a type of depression referred to as existential depression. Although an episode of existential depression may be precipitated in anyone by a major loss or the threat of a loss which highlights the transient nature of life, persons of higher intellectual ability are more prone to experience existential depression spontaneously. Sometimes this existential depression is tied into the positive disintegration experience referred to by Dabrowski (1996).

Existential depression is a depression that arises when an individual confronts certain basic issues of existence. Yalom (1980) describes four such issues (or "ultimate concerns")--death, freedom, isolation and meaninglessness. Death is an inevitable occurrence. Freedom, in an existential sense, refers to the absence of external structure. That is, humans do not enter a world which is inherently structured. We must give the world a structure which we ourselves create. Isolation recognizes that no matter how close we become to another person, a gap always remains, and we are nonetheless alone. Meaninglessness stems from the first three. If we must die, if we construct our own world, and if each of us is ultimately alone, then what meaning does life have?

Why should such existential concerns occur disproportionately among gifted persons? Partially, it is because substantial thought and reflection must occur to even consider such notions, rather than simply focusing on superficial day-to-day aspects of life. Other more specific characteristics of gifted children are important predisposers as well.

Because gifted children are able to consider the possibilities of how things might be, they tend to be idealists. However, they are simultaneously able to see that the world is falling short of how it might be. Because they are intense, gifted children feel keenly the disappointment and frustration which occurs when ideals are not reached. Similarly, these youngsters quickly spot the inconsistencies, arbitrariness and absurdities in society and in the behaviors of those around them. Traditions are questioned or challenged. For example, why do we put such tight sex-role or age-role restrictions on people? Why do people engage in hypocritical behaviors in which they say one thing and then do another? Why do people say things they really do not mean at all? Why are so many people so unthinking and uncaring in their dealings with others? How much difference in the world can one person's life make?

When gifted children try to share these concerns with others, they are usually met with reactions ranging from puzzlement to hostility. They discover that others, particularly of their age, clearly do not share these concerns, but instead are focused on more concrete issues and on fitting in with others' expectations. Often by even first grade, these youngsters, particularly the more highly gifted ones, feel isolated from their peers and perhaps from their families as they find that others are not prepared to discuss such weighty concerns.

When their intensity is combined with multi-potentiality, these youngsters become particularly frustrated with the existential limitations of space and time. There simply aren't enough hours in the day to develop all of the talents that many of these children have. Making choices among the possibilities is indeed arbitrary; there is no "ultimately right" choice. Even choosing a vocation can be difficult if one is trying to make a career decision between essentially equal passion, talents and potential in violin, neurology, theoretical mathematics and international relations.

The reaction of gifted youngsters (again with intensity) to these frustrations is often one of anger. But they quickly discover that their anger is futile, for it is really directed at "fate" or at other matters which they are not able to control. Anger that is powerless evolves quickly into depression.

In such depression, gifted children typically try to find some sense of meaning, some anchor point which they can grasp to pull themselves out of the mire of "unfairness." Often, though, the more they try to pull themselves out, the more they become acutely aware that their life is finite and brief, that they are alone and are only one very small organism in a quite large world, and that there is a frightening freedom regarding how one chooses to live one's life. It is at this point that they question life's meaning and ask, "Is this all there is to life? Is there not ultimate meaning? Does life only have meaning if I give it meaning? I am a small, insignificant organism who is alone in an absurd, arbitrary and capricious world where my life can have little impact, and then I die. Is this all there is?"

Such concerns are not too surprising in thoughtful adults who are going through mid-life crises. However, it is a matter of great concern when these existential questions are foremost in the mind of a twelve or fifteen year old. Such existential depressions deserve careful attention, since they can be precursors to suicide.

How can we help our bright youngsters cope with these questions? We cannot do much about the finiteness of our existence. However, we can help youngsters learn to feel that they are understood and not so alone and that there are ways to manage their freedom and their sense of isolation.

The isolation is helped to a degree by simply communicating to the youngster that someone else understands the issues that he/she is grappling with. Even though your experience is not exactly the same as mine, I feel far less alone if I know that you have had experiences that are reasonably similar. This is why relationships are so extremely important in the long-term adjustment of gifted children (Webb, Meckstroth and Tolan, 1982).

A particular way of breaking through the sense of isolation is through touch. In the same way that infants need to be held and touched, so do persons who are experiencing existential aloneness. Touch seems to be a fundamental and instinctual aspect of existence, as evidenced by mother-infant bonding or "failure to thrive" syndrome. Often, I have "prescribed" daily hugs for a youngster suffering existential depression and have advised parents of reluctant teenagers to say, "I know that you may not want a hug, but I need a hug." A hug, a touch on the arm, playful jostling, or even a "high five" can be very important to such a youngster, because it establishes at least some physical connection.

The issues and choices involved in managing one's freedom are more intellectual, as opposed to the reassuring aspects of touch as a sensory solution to an emotional crisis. Gifted children who feel overwhelmed by the myriad choices of an unstructured world can find a great deal of comfort in studying and exploring alternate ways in which other people have structured their lives. Through reading about people who have chosen specific paths to greatness and fulfillment, these youngsters can begin to use bibliotherapy as a method of understanding that choices are merely forks in the road of life, each of which can lead them to their own sense of fulfillment and accomplishment (Halsted, 1994). We all need to build our own personal philosophy of beliefs and values which will form meaningful frameworks for our lives.

It is such existential issues that lead many of our gifted individuals to bury themselves so intensively in "causes" (whether these causes are academics, political or social causes, or cults). Unfortunately, these existential issues can also prompt periods of depression, often mixed with desperate, thrashing attempts to "belong." Helping these individuals to recognize the basic existential issues may help, but only if done in a kind and accepting way. In addition, these youngsters will need to understand that existential issues are not ones that can be dealt with only once, but rather ones that will need frequent revisiting and reconsideration.

In essence, then, we can help many persons with existential depressions if we can get them to realize that they are not so alone and if we can encourage them to adopt the message of hope written by the African-American poet, Langston Hughes:

Hold fast to dreams,
For if dreams die,
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.

Hold fast to dreams.
For if dreams go,
Life is a barren field
Covered with snow.

Langston Hughes

Annoyingly, this isn't really like depression in the normal sense. It is not a chemical imbalance and therefore cannot be helped using anti-depressants.

I'm just wondering who else out there has this condition and how do they go about their lives dealing with it?
 

GodofDisaster

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Meh I sorta had this theory myself, but do you know what I do about it?

Nothing, I don't get depressed or anything, instead I get on with the rest of my life, not giving a fuck and I shall simply wait till I die.
 

Radeonx

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The best cure for something like that, from my experience, is not giving a fuck.
You know about it, but if you ignore it, and get on with every day life, and enjoy yourself, you won't be as concerned about it.
 

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Okay, I'll offer you some tips that helped me get through this kind of phase in my life. Violent sports (rugby, boxing, whatever), alcohol, good company, videogames, and deep learning. In essence, sir, you need to discover your passion. You have yet to find the one thing that will truly consume, for want of a better word, your life. Whether it be a lover, a hobby, a sport, or a study, it is out there, but you must find it.

Oh, and hugs, cuddling and general intimacy helps deal with most things. So go out, find the closest person to you that you can acceptable hug, and hug them. Make it a close one. Trust me. Even if you don't feel any better, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've made their day better.


Sorry for the lousy advice, old fellow. All I can really say is, keep trying, you'll get through it.
 

Nimbus

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Meh. Find your own meaning in life. If you can't find one, make one up. Flip a coin if you have to, and dedicate your life to it.
 

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Radeonx said:
The best cure for something like that, from my experience, is not giving a fuck.
You know about it, but if you ignore it, and get on with every day life, and enjoy yourself, you won't be as concerned about it.
Pretty much my advice, I went through the some thought pattern and always came to his answer for a solution
 

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What I did was acknowledge that the universe has no intrinsic meaning and that any meaning was created by/regarded intelligent life. From there I found that the closest thing to a gauge of right and wrong was happiness, and that's how I became a utilitarian.
 

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This is not a condition-- it's a state of mind. Nothing has any inherent meaning, yet people are still able to live happily by doing the things they enjoy and that satisfy their wants/needs. Figure out what makes you happy and do that-- so simple.

I personally enjoy smoking pot and playing video games-- if it's satisfying to you that's all that matters.
 

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Admittedly, I did not read the "can of worms" but at least the rest of your post.

ravens_nest said:
It essentially means I have realised there is no meaning to life other than what I create for myself...
Suffice it to say that I held this stance ever since I can remember.
I never saw any ultimate goal in life besides life itself and it has always been enough to drive me forwards.
I can't really help you because I don't really know how you feel in your situation, but let me say that finding your own purpose and sticking to your principles is very fulfilling.
I plan to live my life according to these principles and leave a mark on this world, however tiny.
And I think this is what it is all about, isn't it?
Even if my name is forgotten - which it almost certainly is going to be - I live my life knowing that my actions have an impact on the world as a whole, however minuscule in the big picture.
We're all part of this big machine and every tiny cog is of significance.
 

Raven's Nest

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Rolling Thunder said:
Okay, I'll offer you some tips that helped me get through this kind of phase in my life. Violent sports (rugby, boxing, whatever), alcohol, good company, videogames, and deep learning. In essence, sir, you need to discover your passion. You have yet to find the one thing that will truly consume, for want of a better word, your life. Whether it be a lover, a hobby, a sport, or a study, it is out there, but you must find it.

Oh, and hugs, cuddling and general intimacy helps deal with most things. So go out, find the closest person to you that you can acceptable hug, and hug them. Make it a close one. Trust me. Even if you don't feel any better, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've made their day better.


Sorry for the lousy advice, old fellow. All I can really say is, keep trying, you'll get through it.
It's okay thanks for trying ;)

I have a few passions that I want to persue etc and have a few things standing in my way is all. I really don't feel the need to gush about my puny insignificant feelings so I'm sparing everyone that lol. I'm simply trying to raise awareness of it and this may help other people who might read the topic.

I've figured out virtually all the advice to give myself so i'll be suprised if someone says anything to make it all better so to speak....



Radeonx said:
The best cure for something like that, from my experience, is not giving a fuck.
You know about it, but if you ignore it, and get on with every day life, and enjoy yourself, you won't be as concerned about it.
I really wish it was as easy as that, however from my viewpoint if I didn't care about it then I truly have no purpose...

I have to question things, it is my way. Finding answers makes me happy not ignoring the problems. Jeez and I don't even consider myself an optimist at all!
 

El Poncho

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The purpose of life is to die:p (or to keep your planet going since you were supposed to be a vital part of the earths cycle but we have now left that cycle and we either fuck up the cycle and try repair it or we do some good to the cycle:)
 

Agayek

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knight of some random number said:
Meh I sorta had this theory myself, but do you know what I do about it?

Nothing, I don't get depressed or anything, instead I get on with the rest of my life, not giving a fuck and I shall simply wait till I die.
QFT.

One of the best things I ever figured out was to quit worrying about things I cannot change or control. Learn to roll with the punches, and life gets so much easier.
 

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I realized this before adolescence, and have been depressed ever since. I haven't found what makes me happy, but I've found plenty to help ignore it.
 

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I'm the complete opposite, solipsism. Only I exist. And the weird thing is you believing existentialism is perfectly compatable with me believing solipsism.
But don't let stupid crap like that irritate you. We're here to have fun. Here's a method for that: can you smile? If yes, do whatever makes you smile.
Edit: wait, people actually get depressed that their whole existence is based on trying to have fun? Wow, just...wow...
 

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Agayek said:
knight of some random number said:
Meh I sorta had this theory myself, but do you know what I do about it?

Nothing, I don't get depressed or anything, instead I get on with the rest of my life, not giving a fuck and I shall simply wait till I die.
QFT.
Just curious but what does QFT stand for because I haven't heard that ancroym yet.
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Raven's Nest

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knight of some random number said:
Agayek said:
knight of some random number said:
Meh I sorta had this theory myself, but do you know what I do about it?

Nothing, I don't get depressed or anything, instead I get on with the rest of my life, not giving a fuck and I shall simply wait till I die.
QFT.
Just curious but what does QFT stand for because I haven't heard that ancroym yet.
quote]
Quoted for truth.
 

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That whole existence thing is a tricky one. Most definitely. Whatever you decide about it though is pretty meaningless as your brain and body expect you to go on functioning just like all the people who don't think about it or believe in God or some similar nonsense.
 

Agayek

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knight of some random number said:
Just curious but what does QFT stand for because I haven't heard that ancroym yet.
Quoted For Truth typically. Can also be interpreted as "Quite Fucking True" or anything in that general area.
 

GodofDisaster

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ravens_nest said:
knight of some random number said:
Agayek said:
knight of some random number said:
Meh I sorta had this theory myself, but do you know what I do about it?

Nothing, I don't get depressed or anything, instead I get on with the rest of my life, not giving a fuck and I shall simply wait till I die.
QFT.
Just curious but what does QFT stand for because I haven't heard that ancroym yet.
quote]
Quoted for truth.
Ah, why thank you.