Experiences with Feminists

[OmniscientOstrich]

Those Feminists man, it's only a matter of time before they claim the world as their own! Yeah, no. In spite of the inevitable vitriol, I don't think an anecdotal account of: 'this one time, at band camp I met a Feminist and...' should really serve as the basis of your outlook on an entire ideology. You may well not agree with what the people you meet are saying and chances are a great deal of Feminists don't agree with those perspectives either. My encounter's with Feminists (or at least those I knew to be Feminists, bare in mind lads, you probably know quite a few it just hasn't come up :3) are admittedly fairly limited, but I've yet to encounter one of these hardline misandrists that people on the Internet like to bewail so much about. I would of thought most reasonable people would agree with the core principle of Feminism; that being to bring gender equality into fruition, just seems like nobody is on the same page about how to go about this. >.>

 

[orangeban]

Snip.

The only issues I have with men's rights movements are the extremists who try to say that domestic violence never happens and that kind of bullshit. I cannot even deal with it.
Also, why would you purposely go looking for man-hating feminists, if not just to anger yourself more against a normally reasonable group of people?

Yeah, extremists are an issue in all movements.

As to why I pursue misandric feminists, not entirely sure. Best guess, some kind of masochistic desire to bask in stupid.

 

[Phasmal]

That fails to take into account things like taxes and years in the military.

I can only speak for Germany (although I imagine its not a vastly different story in England) since its where I took a good look at all of this, but until 2010, women were earning less at the end of the month, yet still coming away with more money for the same amount of work because single men paid more taxes than single women, had to spend 2 years serving the military, and on and on it goes.

I have to admit its no longer relevant because the Wehrdienst got dropped last year, so maybe I need to take another look.

But this is exactly what I am talking about. People see one small statistic in the news that women earn less on average, and shock horror, we get smartass feminists ranting on about it all the time without considering the possibility that there is more to the whole thing than that? From what I can tell, you are one of them.

Look, im not saying we should just leave everything as it is and women should stop moaning. I am saying it would be awesome if BOTH sides, both feminists and sexists, could strain their 2 brain cells just for 5 seconds and actually think about things properly. These threads piss me off to no end too, because both sides are ill informed and paranoid. Im generalizing here, but its hard not to.

Anyway, you may now proceed to call me sexist pig instead of looking further into it. Have fun.

Men in England don't have to spend time in the military, so I imagine it is different in Germany, but I can't really speak on that.

And yeah we certainly are generalising today.
I'm not saying I'm a bloody maths proffessor or that I've taken any time studying it, but any statistics I can drag up seem to show some inequalities, even when studies have taken the bigger picture into account. So obviously more work needs to be done on it. I have absolutely no wish to spend forever arguing about it, or to call anyone any names. But the notion that feminism has no place in the world at the moment is just a silly one to me, especially when there are countries where I wouldn't be allowed to drive cause of my lack of wang. And when older female members of TV journalism get shunted for girls with perkier milk-sacks while their male counterparts enjoy a longer career.

Like I said before, I don't want an advantage, being equal is enough for me.

I'm just tired of this bloody topic on gaming forums making women feel even more like they don't fit in and aren't wanted in this community. Constantly having to defend yourself from a bunch of people who seem to think you are just running around with a pair of scissors cutting off ballsacks and the like is absolutely no fun at all. And then people wonder why women don't play more games.

Snip.

The only issues I have with men's rights movements are the extremists who try to say that domestic violence never happens and that kind of bullshit. I cannot even deal with it.
Also, why would you purposely go looking for man-hating feminists, if not just to anger yourself more against a normally reasonable group of people?

Yeah, extremists are an issue in all movements.

As to why I pursue misandric feminists, not entirely sure. Best guess, some kind of masochistic desire to bask in stupid.

I just hope you keep in mind that's not what most people think.
I prefer to bask in awesome. Looking at people who want me to have less rights is depressing, so I prefer to look at websites and videos (some by women, others by men, all awesome) which are looking to make things better.

 

[Phasmal]

Well, to be fair, I did say the western world. Other areas seem to have some big problems with womens rights, and of course feminism is needed over there. But I was not talking about them, so dont pull them into the conversation, as if I was saying the situation in Islamic countries is fine as it is.

Oh my, I was not suggesting that you think any situation anywhere was anything, as I never said as such...
Did you not see my very next sentance?
`And when older female members of TV journalism get shunted for girls with perkier milk-sacks while their male counterparts enjoy a longer career.`
That happens in the western world. Street harrassment, domestic violence, stalking, sexual assault, ALL happen in the western world. And NO I'M NOT saying these are all soley perpetrated against women by men. What I'm saying is that they are still issues.

EDIT: And with situations in other countries, I also believe that awareness and movements within the western worlds are attempting to help.
I'm in no way trying to antagonise you, I'm not suggesting you think anything of anything, as I don't know you.

 

[CulixCupric]

With the recent thread about feminists, it has me curious. What is everyone's opinion on the Feminist movement based off of their experiences?

I'm a male feminist, because what feminist do effects males as well. we (all feminist) don't work towards female rights, but social equality of the genders, and that could continue further into equality of all groups, including completely tolerant humanity.

 

[Phasmal]

Well, to be fair, I did say the western world. Other areas seem to have some big problems with womens rights, and of course feminism is needed over there. But I was not talking about them, so dont pull them into the conversation, as if I was saying the situation in Islamic countries is fine as it is.

Street harrassment, domestic violence, stalking, sexual assault, ALL happen in the western world.

And once again, you are giving me the impression you do get your views from stupid stereotypes. (Which is rather ironic for a feminist.) Because the thing is, women are more likely to commit domestic violence and stalking than men. Once again, I have to ask; where are you getting your views? Did you read one article in a newspaper and trust social stereotypes?

Besides, no matter how equal you make men and women, things like street harassment, domestic violence and sexual assault are still going to happen. Just one of those things. People do stuff like that from time to time, and it has fuck all to do with sexism.

Did you actually READ all my post?
`And NO I'M NOT saying these are all soley perpetrated against women by men. What I'm saying is that they are still issues.`
And yes, these things will happen, but just because fires happen doesn't mean we don't install fire alarms.
And are you saying the lack of reporting of female-on-male domestic violence has NOTHING to do with sexism?

And as for my `views` and where I got them: life.
Please stop trying to patronise me, I've been perfectly clear and reasonable about my opinions.

 

[Phasmal]

Shall we just agree to disagree? It looks like this discussion is going nowhere.

So from my side, im just going to leave it at that, no hard feelings and all.

I agree, it's probably best to leave it.
No hard feelings either, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[CulixCupric]

unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.

teal is green-blue, and fuchsia is a light, unsaturated purple. oddly enough most men are slightly color blind to at least a minor degree. I got lucky, and I can see colors as well as girls. I'm a bit feminine for a guy, that's also part of the lucky, at least in my book.

 

[TehCookie]

Depends on what definition you're going off of. If you talking about a person who is for women's rights I met a lot of feminist and they act like people and are quite diverse. If you're talking crazy lunatics who call themselves feminists I can't say I've met any of those. However don't say all feminist are like that, that's like saying all men are misogynistic or christianity is represented by westboro.

 

[TorqueConverter]

We need to find the feminist queen and kill her. I've seen enough movies to know that how you deal with these types of problems.

 

[Erttheking]

The only encounter that I had with a feminazi was a girl over the internet that was just plain stupid, she flat out said that when a man asked her at a feminist convention about her domestic abuse several years before, she wanted to ask "are you going to go jerk off to this?" she flat out said that men shouldn't attend feminist conventions, because they'll use what they learn there to get close to women and hurt them better. Oh yeah, and then she complained about when she was pregneant that she was treated like an "incubator" saying that people said that she shouldn't drink coffe...lady...to be blunt, if you're pregnant, you ARE an incubator, there is a child growing inside of you, and if you don't want the kid to be royally messed up, you've got to take certain responsibilities.

 

[Mallefunction]

Let the woman bashing commence! Down with the hive mind of the Evil Feminist Alliance for the Destruction of Men!
It's a good thing everyone on this site has a well-informed opinion on what feminism is!

XD This...god this. Seriously...I don't think anything else needs to be added.

 

[manic_depressive13]

LOL, stupid bitches. Feminism is irrelevant in this day and age. If women weren't so dumb they'd be able to see that.

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[Mallefunction]

About the supposed pay gap, if women earn less then why don't all companies employ more women. Surely it would make financial sense?

Exactly.

Men tend to take harder jobs and also don't leave work due to children, things like this explain the supposed gap.

This is because of the still existing stereotype that men work harder than women. Now this is not to say that men are actually all just lazy and that only women really do any work. Obviously it depends on the person. Still, the stereotype prevails and men get hired more often than not as a result.

 

[Muspelheim]

LOL, stupid bitches. Feminism is irrelevant in this day and age. If women weren't so dumb they'd be able to see that.

It's quite clear that it is, indeed, relevant in this day and age. Unless you're somehow typing from somewhere around 200 BC.

 

[CoL0sS]

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" about sums up my experiences. Then again I didn't really have many encounters with that irritable, presumptuous, kind of feminists.

I think just because respect, understanding and social equality are implied in western world that doesn't mean they're exercised. So yeah, feminism is not obsolete...yet.