Ezio and Altair are not related

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WolfThomas

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THEJORRRG said:
What so they all just happen to be assassins that cross genetic paths by some massive coincidence or what?
Pretty much, though it's not that unlikely though given the amount of descendants someone can have, especially if these families have some contact through being Assassins. Or there might even be some Assassin's breeding line plan in play.
 

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runnernda said:
THEJORRRG said:
What so they all just happen to be assassins that cross genetic paths by some massive coincidence or what?
Birds of a feather...

OT: I didn't even know this was a topic of discussion. I mean, in all the time that's passed since the Crusades and the Renaissance or whatever, Desmond has a LOT of ancestors. Just because he's distantly related to two assassins in no way means that those two assassins are related. I mean, hell, I might be related to two assassins.
It does if they look extremely similar, like they did in AC2 and Brotherhood.
 

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Ordinaryundone said:
*sigh* And there they go, screwing up the Assassin's Creed story even more. Seriously, the Animus actually made some sense when it was just reading your "genetic memory" or whatever. Now its just silly.
Just imagine how your family tree would look like. There are a lot of branches and it's perfectly logical that Altair and Ezio aren't related.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
Ordinaryundone said:
*sigh* And there they go, screwing up the Assassin's Creed story even more. Seriously, the Animus actually made some sense when it was just reading your "genetic memory" or whatever. Now its just silly.
Just imagine how your family tree would look like. There are a lot of branches and it's perfectly logical that Altair and Ezio aren't related.
It's logical sure, but Ubisoft have obviously just thought of this, otherwise they would make the two look different, like they are in ACR.
 

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It's not that outlandish. They're still both Desmond's ancestors, just maybe one is from his mother's side of the family, and one is from his father's. In fact, for the Animus to function the way it has been, the bloodlines really only have to be mixed back one generation. Maybe Desmond's Italian-American father married a woman from Israel. Problem solved.
 

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THEJORRRG said:
What so they all just happen to be assassins that cross genetic paths by some massive coincidence or what?
I don't think it's that massive a coincidence that members of their clan of Assassin's would have children together at different points throughout history. Especially when it seems like the Assassin legacy gets passed down from parent to child in many cases (Ezio and Desmond both having parents who were Assassin's).
 

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I only just heard about this, it was being explained in an interview how Desmond is actually the convergence point of many bloodlines which is what makes him special. That's fine, they're not retconning the plot as they never said Ezio and Altair was related, only that Desmond was descended from both of them.

The biggest criticism I'm seeing from people is "Well they obviously didn't plan this from the start." Which I respond with, so what? Not every story is fully planned out from the get-go, you can bet Shakespeare went through several changes for almost every story he ever wrote. The general outline may have been considered but all the finer details need time to evolve.

In short, even if they didn't plan this from the start, I don't see how that's a bad thing if it still makes sense and turns out to be a good story.
 

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Hmm, I didn't know this. I presumed it was following the Y-chromosome up through his male ancestors (the Y chromosome remains almost exactly the same through all fathers and sons over thousands of generations so I thought perhaps it was a sure thing the memories were being extracted from there) - explaining why he would be unable to experience the memories of his female ancestors.

But then I'm a genetics graduate ... and I should stop trying to fit real science into a fictional video game.
 

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The Dutchess said:
Hmm, I didn't know this. I presumed it was following the Y-chromosome up through his male ancestors (the Y chromosome remains almost exactly the same through all fathers and sons over thousands of generations so I thought perhaps it was a sure thing the memories were being extracted from there) - explaining why he would be unable to experience the memories of his female ancestors.

But then I'm a genetics graduate ... and I should stop trying to fit real science into a fictional video game.
I always thought that he couldn't experience his female ancestor's memories because suddenly not having a male body would cause a massive desynchronization. But your way certainly seems plausible. Were we ever given any definite information about how the Animus tracks through your genetics to reach certain individual ancestors? I'd love to hear it if such information exists.
 

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arc1991 said:
Huh...i thought they were in some way =\ Because of that part in AC2 when you play as Altair for a bit

Altair makes love to that women, Maria (who i cannot remember being in the first one)

Ahh well...now that part will just screw with me even more.
Consistency? I have no idea what that is!
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
arc1991 said:
Huh...i thought they were in some way =\ Because of that part in AC2 when you play as Altair for a bit

Altair makes love to that women, Maria (who i cannot remember being in the first one)

Ahh well...now that part will just screw with me even more.
Consistency? I have no idea what that is!
It was Desmond experiencing the memory of Altair making a baby, not Ezio (who would have no means of experiencing his ancestors memories).
 

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WolfThomas said:
THEJORRRG said:
What so they all just happen to be assassins that cross genetic paths by some massive coincidence or what?
Pretty much, though it's not that unlikely though given the amount of descendants someone can have, especially if these families have some contact through being Assassins. Or there might even be some Assassin's breeding line plan in play.
They seem pretty keen on keeping everyone within the same assassin organisation, meaning that fellow assassins are likely to have kids together, and ultimately bring in those kids to join the cause when they get older. So it isn't that odd, thinking about it.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
arc1991 said:
Huh...i thought they were in some way =\ Because of that part in AC2 when you play as Altair for a bit

Altair makes love to that women, Maria (who i cannot remember being in the first one)

Ahh well...now that part will just screw with me even more.
Consistency? I have no idea what that is!
Maria was that decoy woman you have to fight in the first game whilst trying to assassinate dressed the same (you know, the one you can't kill).
 

Ulquiorra4sama

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Let's make this as stupidly obvious as possible:

Let's say Altair and Ezio lived at the same time and then Altair got with a woman and had a son. Ezio got a daughter.

They could've grown up and lived in wholly different parts of the world and then their kids meet by some strange coincidence and have a kid together which turns out to be Desmond.

They don't have to be blood related for their decendant to be related to both. It's easy!

But i could totally agree that this was just thought up at the last moment to tie up the loose plot ends.
 

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Terminate421 said:
So assassin's creed set in Soviet Russia is possible? DO IT!!!
There is an AC story set in Russia, in the form of a web comic rather than a game, it's available on the UbiWorkshop site and is updated every Wednesday.

OT, I knew that they weren't directly related, it actually makes sense and it was all explained in the YouTube video released on the official AC channel. Making Desmond a descendent from a load of strong bloodline rather than from one line that has been "diluted" through generations.
 

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I swear I remember Mario mentioning Altair as an ancestor of Ezio in AC2, but I'm not sure. I shall have to check. Besides, they look too similar...
 

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TheRightToArmBears said:
I swear I remember Mario mentioning Altair as an ancestor of Ezio in AC2, but I'm not sure. I shall have to check. Besides, they look too similar...
Apparently they look so similar because the Animus put Desmond's face on their bodies. Now it doesn't do that, so that is why Ezio and Altair look nothing like Desmond in Revelations.