F**K Project Ten dollar and others... let's take some actions

[spinFX]

Personally I'm all for Project Ten Dollar. I feel as if I should be entitled to some thing extra for going out and buying the game full price on release.

Agreed. I never buy used. Hell you end up saving like $5 buying used, pathetic. Why even bother? How poor are you that $5 is the dealbreaker? Sure the gap increases as the game ages but the quality of the disc dies too.

I like collecting games. I've never sold one and never will.

 

[oranger]

I disagree SpinFX...I still have ps one games that are almost ten years old and they have yet to show their age in any meaningful way. beyond that, its usually more than 5$, otherwise the market for it wouldn't exist.

 

[VZLANemesis]

This. I don't have any sense of entitlement, I simply have a certain set of expectations inscribed into me through years of gaming. What gives publishers the right to suddenly charge more money for the same product they were offering in the past at a cheaper price?

They are not. The game costs exactly the same new as it did a year ago.

Indeed, and new is as much for schmucks as it was a year ago. A used market exists for every product. And when you buy ANY other used product, you get every feature of it. iPods, cars, furniture, whatever. This untrue only with games now.

Warranty?

A warranty is available even on many used products, whether it's through a retailer or still the original which just hasn't run out yet. But that's something you never get on games, whether new or used, so whatever. Point is, you still get use of a full product until it dies when you buy used, and the same should apply for games.

But unlike games, Ford doesn't have to pay to keep your car running.

And EA Sports doesn't have to pay to keep my game running. If they did, every game since the nineties would have been charging extra for online play-enabled copies. I love how they can make you assume you're actually paying for something worthwhile without even telling you that's the case. Quite a few people here have been trained quite well to just bend over and take whatever comes along next...

Because all of their servers are still running, right?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97200-EA-Shutting-Down-Older-Game-Servers-in-February

You might want to pay attention to those dates, like '09 for example.

Have you thought why they're doing that? Have you noticed most of the 09 ones are sports? as if... if you can no longer play last years model online, you're more likely to buy the new one aren't you? EVEN if it isnt really that big an improvement over last years game.

 

[Uncompetative]

Rent all these pathetic interactive movies these damn frustrated film-makers are developing then take them back after the weekend.

Heavy Rain
Uncharted 2
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Assassin's Creed 2
BioShock 2
Yakuza 3
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Alan Wake
Gears of War 2
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction
Mass Effect 2

Keep the fun ones that are unconstrained by a pre-scripted narrative nor interrupted by "dramatic" cut-scenes you aren't involved in.

;-)

 

[oranger]

I wish I had read that list last month...would have saved me a handful of trade ins.
I kinda like mgs 4 tho, not for the story, that gets old after the first play through...but its always cathartic for me to snap some necks.

 

[GuerrillaClock]

I'm amazed at the people who are just rolling over and taking this. What is this going to do to the rental industry? This whole idea stinks. If you roll out a product, it's going to depreciate over time as better things come out. That's how it works. I have a small game shop in my home town that deals almost exclusively in second hand games. If this becomes a precedent, what are they going to do? How are they meant to run a shop on a handful of brand new games (which they can't compete with major stores in terms of low pricing) and £3 unboxed retro game carts?

By all means, give the people who bought it new a little reward, some free DLC, say, or other such goodies. But don't take away half a game just because the product depreciated naturally! It's treating 2nd hand buyers like criminals by punishing them for no other reason than they wanted to save a bit of money, and they have a right to do this without being slapped for it! Legally, yeah, it's fine but morally this is several fucking levels of wrong. This has really, really pissed me off.

And to those saying "ohh $10 is change, I wipe my backside with $10", seriously, grow up and realise not everyone is quite as privilged as you are, least of all the people whose second hand game shops are eventually going to be crushed by these greedy corporations. Thrift is not a dirty word.

 

[oranger]

I just read sovvolf's post...wow dude, you don't understand the term "free market" do you? that means when you sell something, you generally get what its worth. If its worth little, you get little. If EA is going under, so be it; maybe they shouldn't have ridden that generic sports game pony so long, eh? Or swallowed up so many competitors whole, creating many opponents.

 

[Cryo84R]

If you pay 54.99 for used game, you deserve to get a nice little surprise for not giving the developers any royalties.

 

[oranger]

cryo, the problem with that is that the game has already been sold, not rented or leased. As in, the disc is now your property, not the company that sold it to you.

 

[sheic99]

This. I don't have any sense of entitlement, I simply have a certain set of expectations inscribed into me through years of gaming. What gives publishers the right to suddenly charge more money for the same product they were offering in the past at a cheaper price?

They are not. The game costs exactly the same new as it did a year ago.

Indeed, and new is as much for schmucks as it was a year ago. A used market exists for every product. And when you buy ANY other used product, you get every feature of it. iPods, cars, furniture, whatever. This untrue only with games now.

Warranty?

A warranty is available even on many used products, whether it's through a retailer or still the original which just hasn't run out yet. But that's something you never get on games, whether new or used, so whatever. Point is, you still get use of a full product until it dies when you buy used, and the same should apply for games.

But unlike games, Ford doesn't have to pay to keep your car running.

And EA Sports doesn't have to pay to keep my game running. If they did, every game since the nineties would have been charging extra for online play-enabled copies. I love how they can make you assume you're actually paying for something worthwhile without even telling you that's the case. Quite a few people here have been trained quite well to just bend over and take whatever comes along next...

Because all of their servers are still running, right?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97200-EA-Shutting-Down-Older-Game-Servers-in-February

You might want to pay attention to those dates, like '09 for example.

Have you thought why they're doing that? Have you noticed most of the 09 ones are sports? as if... if you can no longer play last years model online, you're more likely to buy the new one aren't you? EVEN if it isnt really that big an improvement over last years game.

You know what's really starting to annoy about this topic. The idea that EA, Activision and THQ owes the consumer something. Games are a privilege, not a right. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that. If you don't like where this is going, then it's time to find a new hobby.

As for this topic, I'm done.

 

[Der Kommissar]

I do have my shortcomings in perspective, as I could be classified as a PC gamer, but still:

Buying/Selling of Used Games is akin to piracy; developers and publishers of said game do not get a dime from those transactions

How has this kind of trite suddenly become the gaming evangelion?

I will not buy any game that goes down this route. Its just screwing over the consumers, and sadly the consumers are quite content with being nickeled and dimed.

Yes; it's like the phallus of a pro-corporate mindset is so deep in the customers' throats that they don't even realize it anymore and have become completely numb to the sweet taste of it.

 

[VZLANemesis]

I do have my shortcomings in perspective, as I could be classified as a PC gamer, but still:

Buying/Selling of Used Games is akin to piracy; developers and publishers of said game do not get a dime from those transactions

How has this kind of trite suddenly become the gaming evangelion?

I will not buy any game that goes down this route. Its just screwing over the consumers, and sadly the consumers are quite content with being nickeled and dimed.

Yes; it's like the phallus of a pro-corporate mindset is so deep in the customers' throats that they don't even realize it anymore and have become completely numb to the sweet taste of it.

I'm quite amazed actually its like they're all lawyers to big ass gaming publishers... this is just fucking great (for the publishers).

 

[VZLANemesis]

You know what's really starting to annoy about this topic. The idea that EA, Activision and THQ owes the consumer something. Games are a privilege, not a right. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that. If you don't like where this is going, then it's time to find a new hobby.

As for this topic, I'm done.

They don't I'm just asking for us to ASK them to change the shit I don't like (nor most I believe would like) I'm not saying they HAVE to change... If it doesn't change, I'll simply choose NOT to buy the games, its that simple.
Btw, I love the escapist because it really feels like a "gaming community" like for real a coummunity, so I started this post in order to see other points of view and get the people who agree with me to take some actions, be it not buy crappy fucked up games that are anti-consumer (again, my opinion) or be it write them letters ask them to stop that shit. Dunno, I don't get why it has to be like this with people taking it like its something against them if somebody messes with "their publisher".

 

[The_Deleted]

I don't see the issue to be honest. As if forces stores like Gamestop /GAME to sell pre-owned at a more reasonable price rather than the rip off they are we might be getting premature about pissing and moaning.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Everyone loves their delusion that they're LOSING content to DLC... they make the game, they decied what goes in it.