Face it people. Skyrim isn't cRPG at all.

[TheScientificIssole]

How do you play RPGs with a PAN and paper?

Meet my buddy PAN.

http://www.moviemobsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/pan-2.jpg

Fair enough. But you do know that Pan is this one, right?

"ABSOLUTAMENTE NADA!"
OT:WOW, I have no opinion here.

 

[IzisviAziria]

How do you play RPGs with a PAN and paper?

There's no way to recreate tabletop, "Pan and paper" rpg experience on computers.

More seriously, who gives a fuck? Role playing isn't about rolling dice anymore, it's about playing roles. Welcome to 2011.

Ditto.

Why the fuck would you want to recreate the forever alone times, spent huddled in a dank room rolling dice for lack of anything better to do?

I'd much rather play Skyrim than D&D

Uhhh... I don't know what DnD you played, but all my DnD sessions were quite social. anywhere between 3-8 people of mixed genders and ages getting together and playing a game that requires social interaction as well as tactical planning. I've met quite a few of my current friends through DnD.

Skyrim, on the other hand, is entirely single-player. You play by yourself. End of story.

I'm not bashing Skyrim, far from it. I've got 90 hours into it so far. But don't call DnD forever alone and then compare it to Skyrim.

OT: Bad grammar, couldn't get what he was trying to say. Bottom line, Skyrim isn't a tabletop, don't play it like a tabletop. If you want to play something like a tabletop, go play a fucking tabletop.

 

[Bruenin]

I got your attention ? Good. Sorry for this little manipulation, i hope you're forgiving one.

Of course, Skyrim BELONGS to Computer Role-Playing Game genre. However :
1. Not exclusively.
2. You play it in wrong way. No. Really. Sure, you beat the main quest. Sure, you're Skyrim's version of Commander Sheppard. Sure, everyone loves you and you saved whole world. That's one way to play this game, and i applaud you for doing it like you did. Good job !

Still...
Look. There's no way to recreate tabletop, "Pen and paper" rpg experience on computers.
With technological boom that's happening since people harnessed power of silicon it will be possible in let's say 50 years since now.

But as for today, Skyrim is as close to real RPGaming as it is possible. Here's the trick : Bethesda gave you the product that is more or less world and/or hero simulator. Sure, you may do some things easy way, but... Try to recreate living person. Just for the sake of fun ? Isn't that why you're playing it in the first place ?

So. There may be no rules for that, but have you ever tried to cross the river in iron armor weighing more than a few pounds ? Think, how long could you run in arctic environment, possibily wearing only bikini and 20 variations of Orcish Greatsword ? Skipped a few meals ? Know that feeling of overwhelming hunger ? How about your relationships, were you ever involved in real male to female, ahem, union ?

TES Construction is on the way. People will, no doubtly provide us with mods that will change Skyrim into something completely different. In the meantime : how about just pretending, trying ? It's what we, gamers, do in our quest for immersion...

Have you ever played baulders gate? That game is DnD basically, or do you mean where you can create your own story and world and mess around in it? Like the ability to create anything you want and do anything you want in it?

 

[Kukakkau]

You know all your problems with things such as having to eat, sleep, how much you carry can all be solved by you...you know roleplaying and setting these rules for yourself?

Eat every hour you play, sleep every day, only carry stuff you are using/need for quests. Is that REALLY so hard to make yourself do if it's a big enough problem to thread about?

Also you are comparing a tabletop game (based on your own imagination etc) to a computer game (based on rules that have been coded in place).

Stick to tabletops if this is such an issue

 

[kloiberin_time]

Oh Jesus H. Tebow people. Does it have to be one v. the other? Fuck, I have spent most of my free time questing in Skyrim save Friday nights where I bust out the d20 with some friends and play some 3.5 (Tabletop Wow AKA 4th ed got boring quickly)

If Skyrim OR tabletop is not your thing don't play it. If they both are enjoy them both. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT MEDIUMS OF ENTERTAINMENT. I don't see any jackasses telling me that I should not play Skyrim because The Song of Ice and Fire books are better, and I don't see any douchebags telling me that it's now worthless to read The Hobbit because Skyrim exists yet I'm surrounded by assholes arguing that Skyrim is inferior/superior to tabletop.

Keep firing assholes.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I have thought for quite some time that no video game can ever truly capture the two defining elements of RPGs, immersion and player choice. I love games like DnD, Shadowrun, and the Warhammer 40k RPGs. No video game has ever been able to replicate those feelings of choice and immersion, and I really think that no video game ever will. I do love wRPGs and jRPGs but there really is no comparison between them and table top RPGs.

 

[TheLaughingMarcus]

I don't quite think you understand what RPG means. It's Role Playing Game, as in playing a role. Not Roll Playing Game, as in rolling dice.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Bottom line, Skyrim isn't a tabletop, don't play it like a tabletop. If you want to play something like a tabletop, go play a fucking tabletop.

True, but, believe it or not, for some people it's very, very hard to gather enough people both willing and capable to play RPGames.

So. Guys, i'm sorry you got it the way you did.
All i'm saying is : consider to play this game differently if you haven't done it already. Squeeze 110% of possibilities out of it. It's exactly this game - none other - that is capable of delivering you unparalleled experiences if you're willing to invest some energy into the process.
Best of luck.

 

[The Funslinger]

I'm confused by this thread.

You play a role in skyrim? All I do is collect skulls and brooms.

I've taken to creating an army of bucket heads, Spongebob the movie style.

 

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

I don't quite think you understand what RPG means. It's Role Playing Game, as in playing a role. Not Roll Playing Game, as in rolling dice.

I was very confused...but then I read that. Anyway, yeah...I was kind of thinking the same thing.

Skyrim =/= tabletop games.

This thread is bizarre...

 

[sergnb]

There's a difference between "immersion" and not having fun. Being forced to strictly abide by the real-world rules of physics makes for a boring-as-shit game.

... or not. It makes for a different kind of fun game.

I play Battlefield. I play ARMA II too. None of them is boring to me.

 

[Zakarrum]

How do you play RPGs with a PAN and paper?

Meet my buddy PAN.

http://www.moviemobsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/pan-2.jpg

Fair enough. But you do know that Pan is this one, right?

Sure, but then again, who gives a damn ?

That was very uninteresting and I feel like whoever wrote this was extremely proud of how sassy he was with us... "Good I got your attention" Yes because I was curious, you didnt trick me into giving you the location of the fucking lost city of atlantis.

You may address me directly. I won't strangle you in your sleep. I promise !

More seriously, who gives a fuck? Role playing isn't about rolling dice anymore, it's about playing roles. Welcome to 2011.

Yea, It's about playing shitty action game #48726 with little to no RPG elements.

And to the guy who said you'd rather play Skyrim than D&D, enjoy your linear dungeons, boring world and 10 different creature types.

I play Skyrim and D&D. Cut out the elitism, it's just dull.

Skyrim is an amazing game by itself, D&D is a great game by itself. Just because they're in the same genre doesn't mean they cancel each other out.

Sorry hombre, but if all you can think about rpgaming can be summed by D&D alone, then i feel for you. Really, not even slightest amount of joking or having fun at your expense. There are whole universes beside D&D, different styles of gameplay, different adventures... Aw, f*ck it.

OT : About realism.
Guys... You're posting on "Escapist" forum. You play video games. Please don't give me that bullsh*t about realism. None os us (with the exception of you, Bear Grylls, i know you're here) would survive one hour in the wilderness of Skyrim. It's not about that. It's about possibilities, alternative ways to use product you've bought for your hard earned money.

And I don't want to spend that money on a sleeping simulator or a simulator for surviving in the cold. If your interested by such mundane activities, good for you. I'd rather do something fantastic, like I don't know kill some dragons or something, if only there was a game for that...

 

[Zeetchmen]

I used to get baited into replying to troll threads, than I took an arow to the knee.

 

[Ovoon]

I'm confused by this thread.

You play a role in skyrim? All I do is collect skulls and brooms.

There's much much more to Skyrim than that my friend.

Theres silverware and clay pots.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Technically speaking, you can still be immersed into a world and not be having fun. EvE online for example.

 

[BulletMagTrig]

I'm probably crazy, but I've found that there really are three and a half types of RPGs.

1-1.5 Stat Game RPGs (The JRPG Genre is the point five percent.): You play preselected paths with preselected character in what Yahtzee beautify decribes as getting boots and shin kicking till sh*t gets real. (i.e. Tales of Series, Final Fantasy Series, and the first Phantasy Star games.)

2. Customized RPGs: You run around in a sandbox environment with a multitude of quests to lead you to new environments. Expect a morality system of some sort, but it isn't needed at all. What matters is that you are who you want to be and do what you want to do. (e.i. Mass Effect, Skyrim, even GTA)

3. Multi-player RPGs: This is my favorite, a world where you can interact with other people who vary from thousands of online gamers to your friends sitting across a table from you. Your equipment and characters are your own, but you can choose the degree to which you take it seriously. It is the true essence of role playing since your playing off another living person rather than a script and the reactions are infinitely more varied. (i.e. DnD, World of Warcraft, and most MMO/table tops.)

I'm not touching Tactics games and Sims since those go beyond individual interactions usually.

Way too long a post, but my point is that Skyrim and DnD shouldn't be compared because they are different faces of a large genre. It is what you want to do and the fun involved that matters.

EDIT: You forgot about putting buckets on peoples heads.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

There's a difference between "immersion" and not having fun. Being forced to strictly abide by the real-world rules of physics makes for a boring-as-shit game.

Yeah, but there's nothing to say that fantasy-type physics can't be created on purpose, rather than by leaving 20 billion bugs in the game.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Have you ever played baulders gate? That game is DnD basically, or do you mean where you can create your own story and world and mess around in it? Like the ability to create anything you want and do anything you want in it?

Yes. I have quite long history with both cRPGs and "ordinary" PnP games. Baldur's Gate is one of my favourites.
I'm not sure what you mean by "create anything" and the rest. Even in tabletop games players aren't able to simply do whatever they wish for. Even if they are playing Scion or Nobilis scenarios and they are essentialy gods.

And I don't want to spend that money on a sleeping simulator or a simulator for surviving in the cold. If your interested by such mundane activities, good for you. I'd rather do something fantastic, like I don't know kill some dragons or something, if only there was a game for that...

Let's leave it that way. Move along sir, nothing to see, nothing to read...

Technically speaking, you can still be immersed into a world and not be having fun. EvE online for example.

It's impossible. No fun = no immersion. As i wrote it somewhere before, simply escaping from real world isn't Immersion. It's the first step to some kind of mental/social problem.

(snip)

Way too long a post, but my point is that Skyrim and DnD shouldn't be compared because they are different faces of a large genre. It is what you want to do and the fun involved that matters.

Where would you place immortal hack and slash classics like Diablo or dungeon crawlers like Eye of Beholder/Ishar series ?

OT : People, i'm shocked. http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/ has 1470 Core Books in its database. Let's say it's full 1000 of different rpg systems and all you can say regarding tabletop RPGs is D&D ? What about Pathfinder, Call of Cthulhu, Star Wars, Warhammer/Warhammer 40k, Shadowrun, Gurps, Fading Suns, World of Darkness ?

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Yes, lets make every game exactly the same as real life.

While we're at it: lets remove magic, monsters, dragons, giants, make the world tiny, remove levelling, remove background music, not allow you to choose your race, freeze to death every ten seconds, lose limbs because of frostbite and I can go on and on.

So yes, that's an idiotic idea. RPG =/= life simulator. Go out and play ANY PC rpg and you'll see that its NOT A LIFE SIMULATOR.