Failure "All the cool kids are doing it."

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I have a similar story. I went to the same primary school as a guy called Toby. We were both intelligent and got into a private school. Since then he's constantly getting C's or below because he's too busy smoking pot or going out while I'm getting A*'s/A's because I'm revising an hour everyday.

Don't do drugs kids!
 

Azure-Supernova

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Angryman101 said:
This is highly subjective. It really depends where you live.
In the school that I attended, I was honestly getting annoyed with the people around me because they were so focused on getting into a good college that they never had any time to spend enjoying themselves. There were one or two kids that didn't try very hard, sure, but aside from the intelligent slackers like myself, the rest of the school was constantly overachieving in every single facet of scholastic life to the point where it was almost obsessive.
I went to a school similar to this. I was quite happy just to get by, doing the work that was set and doing it well. But I felt like I was constantly competing, without even trying to compete. I enjoyed learning at one point.
 

Julianking93

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People are always looking for the next rebellious thing to do. That's whats always been "cool" to be at least somewhat rebellious. This is just a new form of being cool, though I don't know when what I did became cool. This is nothing new. Being a rebel has always been the cool thing to do. This is just a new way of expressing stupidity by actually showing how stupid these people really are.

I dropped out 2 years ago because I couldn't handle the people and the stress of constant bullying and no friends. I don't regret my decision because I know if I stayed, I would have killed myself by now.

As for these dipshit kids, do what I did, ignore them up until they become violent, then bash their face into a waterfountain.
 

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Kortney said:
Kuchinawa212 said:
I have no patients for them, I do my work so I can get a good job and live a happy life. I have .a self declared no social life. I don't go to party or dances, or very rarely hang out with my friend on weekends. Why? Because I want to get through highschool, then collage, and if I'm lucky, medschool. And I'm not going to be able to do that if I goof off and fail all my classes.
You are also robbing yourself of the only time in your life when you can have fun and just enjoy life without worries. But different strokes for different folks.


Yeeeeeeah like I'm immune to the law as a teenager. I missed the whole boat when I was in 6th grade. Now what I can do can get me into some big stuff. So no, this is not the time when I can live without worries. I'd just sit at home and do something and not have to worry about getting into some sitcom drama problem.
 

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I was brought up with respect for my elders and all the Victorian stuff, I give my seat up on buses, let people though the door before me and do it without thought or need for thanks. I worked hard in school I have a decent education, the first job I ever applied for turned around and said "sorry you need experience" oh and how to I get said experience?
The people that messed around in class and did poorly at school were sent out of school to do work experience for company at the time it was a punishment but after the interview it looked like they had the better deal and now in England they want to give DS consoles to the kids who skip school as an incentive to stay in, it should be the other way round! The kids that want the education should be getting the attention good behaviour should be rewarded not punished.

Look at "super nanny", she does the same thing, putting kids on the naughty step, your giving them attention its negative attention but attention none the less and when she goes back in 4 weeks or what ever it is and the kids still misbehaving she blames the parent for not doing it right even though it never worked in the first place!

Even that being said, do the right thing, keep your head down, ignore the idiots that can't count to 2 get your education, make sure you don't get pigeon holed with them be a good person everything works out eventually, my education just paid off as well i'm going to be working for a company and going to earn more in a month than the "drop outs" from my classes will see in a year.
 

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I know a guy who fits your description perfectly. He skipped class and is what we call a 9RR ( Each R stands for how many times he repeated the grade). All he does is smoke weed, occasionally brings brass knuckles, and generally acts like a gangster. He also enjoyed picking on me for reasons I never really understood. I doubted he would ever finish high school during my last year. When I left, my disgust turned into pity as I realized after high school he was probably going to be same the loser 20 or 30 years down the line.
 

Korolev

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There are two reasons why people behave like this:

1) Genuine ignorance and a complete lack of concern for their future

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2) As a defensive psychological mechanism.

No one likes being told they are stupid. No one does. No one also likes to be told that they are ignorant either. So, in order to cope, they pretend that they fail on purpose, or that they don't try. If they try and fail, they will be called idiots. If they pretend that they don't try or don't care, they hope to convince others that they aren't stupid, but lazy.

I saw this all the time - usually this sort of behavior starts at a young age. When a child in most western schools fails at a task, some teachers give up on them, or refuse to help them. They get called names, they get scolded by their parents, they feel miserable that they failed. So, they convince themselves that

1) They don't need an education and
2) They never really tried in the first place.

It's a way to justify their bad scores to themselves. If they're bad at science, they'll turn around and say "who cares about science!?". If they're bad at math, they'll turn it around and say "who needs maths?" If they generally fail across the board, one of the only ways to cope, to salvage their pride, is to say "why care, why bother!". It's Nietzsche's slave morality at work - they want to do well, but they can't, so they turn around and mock those who do well.

Then again, there are those who are just plain ignorant or foolish. When I was in high school, there were about 10 guys in my class who wanted to play rugby at a professional level. They were actually pretty nice guys, they weren't stupid, but they believed that they had what it took to "take it to the next level". Statistically speaking, the odds of ANY of them, let along all of them, making it big in rugby were next to nil, but that didn't stop them neglecting their studies.

I think you'll find that if you actually talked to these people, you'd realize that it's all just an act. An attempt at bravado - to show that bad scores don't affect them, that they're rebellious, that they're a free spirit. It's a foolish, pointless, damaging act, but teenage minds aren't exactly logical, and this is the only way they feel they can cope. Most of them know, deep down, that they're in trouble if they don't do well, but they don't want to think about it.

Many of these people might be willfully ignorant, but they aren't stupid, and to be honest, a lot of the blame for their condition can be placed squarely at the feet of teachers and fellow students, as well as parents. Teachers who give up on students or who downright insult students, are bad teachers. Fellow students who smirk at people for failing are also bad students. Parents who spend no time helping their children, or who constantly attack their children, are bad parents. And all of these things contributes to a bad student.

I was lucky. My parents invested an enormous amount of time in educating me, and I had a few very, very good teachers. My parents always told me that as long as I tried, I really had nothing to be ashamed of. Luckily for me, my best effort was pretty good. I got good grades - not the best in class, but pretty high up there. My parents attention, combined with two really good science teachers, has led me down a path which I am comfortable with. I'm halfway to completing my Master of Molecular Biology degree.

I think most students could get better. True, there are some students who are born with..... less talent at maths or science, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be encouraged to be the best the CAN be. Not everyone can be Einstein. I'm certainly no genius, by any standard. Yet I got quite far in my academic pursuits, and it was due to the fact that I was ENCOURAGED.

It really does make a difference.
 

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Not everyone is meant for acedemia.

I think that children who are not good at school find their calling somewhere else. Soemtimes it is just a matter of maturity and some kids do better in acedemia later in life.

I think that it is unfair to judge someone`s intelligence based on how well they do in school. They might have other skills which will become apparent after school when they try new things.

Look at Albert Eistein

Plus sucess at school is only one path in life. There are many people who have became successful without attending University.
 

Professor Idle

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I never intended to be a rebel, but only in year 11 have I pulled my head out of my ass and started working really hard. It's really hard catching up and part of me wants to go back to being that daydreamer in the back of the class. You get good conversation with all of the other slackers. But trust me, I've worked my ass off this year and getting Cs or Bs is much more satisfying, especially when you can see all of the slackers suffering for grades. It makes working hard worth it.

Although, have you noticed that half of the people here who say they have constantly tried hard academically have had to drop out of school cos they had no friends and got bullied? And then they judge people on how to live their life. Just sayin.
 

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People at my school don't care wether they fail or pass.

I feel like slapping them and saying "Dude! stop being retarded for a second and think about what your doing!"
 

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This really bothers me as well. I mean I'm not intelligent or anything. But people around my school didn't know how Haiti was before the Earthquake, Child Soldiers in Africa, one thought Africa was a continent and a country. I think its just cause in High School its all about sex, drugs, money, and occasionally marks and grades. Seriously the level of stupidity and ignorance in my high school. Makes me want to shoot it up cause they're all a bunch of fags who boast about getting high this one time. Calling themselves hardcore alcoholics after 2 shots. And constantly calling themselves "Depressed" as for some way to gain attention and the idea that they have a terrible life. Fuck teenagers are just an abomination.
 

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Kuchinawa212 said:
I don't know why failing and being an asshole is popular now. Talking back to the teacher and make the class laugh? at what cost? failing the class and making it that much harder to get a job. If they don't have the papers that say they at least got out of highschool, then they are going to have a hard time getting and holding a job

I have no patients for them, I do my work so I can get a good job and live a happy life. I have .a self declared no social life. I don't go to party or dances, or very rarely hang out with my friend on weekends. Why? Because I want to get through highschool, then collage, and if I'm lucky, medschool. And I'm not going to be able to do that if I goof off and fail all my classes.
Surely you must realize that all things are good in moderation? Is going to medical school worth growing up without having fun?

Not that I'm trying to tell you how to live your life or anything, what you do is your own business, after all.
 

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Suiseiseki IRL said:
I am aware this trend has existed as long as school or much less civilization as a whole
I wouldn't say this trend has existed for as long as civilization has. Mainly because the idea of modern civilization in which you stay in school until you're 18 and then move on to more advanced schools throughout your young adult years is a relatively recent thing compared to the history of the world. Peoples' "futures" or "real lives" started much earlier in the past because life expectancy was considerably lower before advancements in the medical field prolonged the average life expectancy to what it is in our age. How much different do you think modern society would be if our average life expectancy was only 40 or 45?

Also, I have known a lot of people like this. Some of them end up in jail, some of them are content to live at or below the poverty line. Some join the military. Some eventually wise up and complete their education, then move on to be successful in their chosen careers. And of course, some of them just end up dead.
 

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This thread sickens me.

I hate the passivism in todays youth. Being young is the age when you are free, make friends, meet girls, take drugs, drink, experiment.

To see people talking about studying and not having any social fun is a scary thought when being a teenager is about having a good time.

You can still get good grades and have a good time, life is not all about working all your life and then dying, its about finding your inner happiness.
 
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xDarc said:
You know you're wrong when you lump everyone who does not want to take high school seriously into one category.
Well said. The entire complaint hinges on the(arguably wrong)assumption that high school is greatly important. Our lives are trivial on a basic level, stressing over man made institutions like this is simply counter-productive to enjoyable existance(which is my aim, and I make no apologies for it). In truth, hobbies and other people are what keep a mundane existence interesting.

When I look back on my own teenage years, I don't lament my decision to drop out of uni(the idea of another 3 years in the education system was promising to bore me to death). What bothers me is that I wasn't as social as I should have been...that's all.

That's not too say "throw away your education", just recognise that it doesn't actually matter, and maybe be less judgemental of those who don't put as much value in it as you do.
Liberaliter said:
This thread sickens me.

I hate the passivism in todays youth. Being young is the age when you are free, make friends, meet girls, take drugs, drink, experiment.

To see people talking about studying and not having any social fun is a scary thought when being a teenager is about having a good time.

You can still get good grades and have a good time, life is not all about working all your life and then dying, its about finding your inner happiness.
I would argue that life isn't truely about anything. But some of your points were very well made. If you're not going to enjoy yourself now, when are you are going to? Why not make friends? learn an instrument? Do something that will give you something to do when you're old. I'm pretty good at guitar now, thinking about how good I'll be at 60 is exciting to me. I'll be playing some badass blues.
 

Nemu

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I have to agree, it's a less a trend and more the norm.
I certainly knew those kids in school, heck I was one at one time-I blame the fact that I went from a VERY structured education in catholic school to *shudder* public school--I took advantage of my new "freedoms" there until I wised up.

While a lot of the problems these kids are having could be attributed to the lack of attention they recieve in school (from teachers, counselors, et al), it seems to me that the biggest fsk-ups are the ones who take not having parents who care very seriously. The ones who feel like either they can do wot they want coz Mom and/or Dad aren't around, or the ones who have genetic defectives for parents, too. The kids who have professional parents (in my experience) aren't the ones failing out (at least, not on purpose).
 

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The higher you get in the corporate ladder, the less you will depend on your very first degree. In the end, the way you deal with people is more important than being a Summa Cum Laude of your chosen field.
 

Kuchinawa212

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MicCheck1two said:
Kuchinawa212 said:
I don't know why failing and being an asshole is popular now. Talking back to the teacher and make the class laugh? at what cost? failing the class and making it that much harder to get a job. If they don't have the papers that say they at least got out of highschool, then they are going to have a hard time getting and holding a job

I have no patients for them, I do my work so I can get a good job and live a happy life. I have .a self declared no social life. I don't go to party or dances, or very rarely hang out with my friend on weekends. Why? Because I want to get through highschool, then collage, and if I'm lucky, medschool. And I'm not going to be able to do that if I goof off and fail all my classes.
Surely you must realize that all things are good in moderation? Is going to medical school worth growing up without having fun?

Not that I'm trying to tell you how to live your life or anything, what you do is your own business, after all.
I like home.
I can't be accused of doing stuff that will haunt me later. I know I'm a terribly boring guy. But doing what the cool kids do I know can get me in trouble. So I avoid it. All of it. No house parties, no dances, no drinking, no drugs, no womanizing. I go to school so I can be successful later in life. Not just so I can have good stories to tell