Fallout 3 not a 'proper' Fallout game?
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Fallout 3, despite all its shortcomings, was pretty okay to play!
So even if it isn't the same deal as FO1 and 2 I would not want someone to try to be just like 1 and 2 (and probably fail/feel like a rehash.).
So even if it isn't the same deal as FO1 and 2 I would not want someone to try to be just like 1 and 2 (and probably fail/feel like a rehash.).
Really? I thought it was being too stupid most of the time.chuckman1 said:
There was none of the political and social aspects that made Fallout 1 and New Vegas great.
Fallout 3 tried too hard to be funny and failed (Little Lamplight).
No, it is not. They completely destroyed the character and skill system. There is a video where someone makes the worst unarmed combat fighter that is possible in Fallout 3 and then beats up 3 raiders on hard difficulty. Chance to hit? Over 80% as shown in VATS!!! Good luck trying that on any of the proper fallout games.Jennacide said:
The character system is a very important part of a RPG.
Fallout 3 was a great game! Fallout New Vegas sucks big time. I enjoy playing evil characters but there's no way you can do that in FNV.
You can try but you will reach a point where it's impossible to continue unless you do some "good" deeds.
I don't even know why they let you choose to play the game as an evil character when it is obvious that the developers don't want you to.
I absolutely hated New Vegas!
You can try but you will reach a point where it's impossible to continue unless you do some "good" deeds.
I don't even know why they let you choose to play the game as an evil character when it is obvious that the developers don't want you to.
I absolutely hated New Vegas!
Fallout 3 was awesome. I say this as someone who played the first two ( Other fallout games? Never heard of them) I understand the moving of the series to the East coast so Beth' could get their own bearings without too much flak and the little changes. Obsidian simply improved on it.
What about helping the Brotherhood in Fallout 3? You can't do anything to harm them until the very end of Broken Steel, and you're forced to help them no matter how much of an evil bastard your character is.DarkHuntress said:
I only played 2 before 3 so maybe I'm missing things but I never found it that funny. I did laugh sometimes but the same with 3. I must be odd. I completely agree that 3 does move away from the theme of how humanity rebuilds and instead is focused upon a more black and white tale. There is nothing IMHO wrong with this but I do prefer the other way of moral greyness.
That said I far prefered the gameplay. Way more. I just don't dig the turn based stuff.
I still think New Vegas is the best out of the lot of them (and you can ally with the bad guys which was never an option in 2 or 3)
That said I far prefered the gameplay. Way more. I just don't dig the turn based stuff.
I still think New Vegas is the best out of the lot of them (and you can ally with the bad guys which was never an option in 2 or 3)
Less not forget that Fallout 1&2 had an incredible atmospheric sound track that was unique to the game and each location had its own sound track compared to Fallout 3 and New Vegas which had all the sound track scattered about and the majority of the music are older songs thrown into the game instead of composed for the game like in 1&2.
I just played it as an evil character a month or two ago. It was easy to do. You have to go through a lot of the same quests as with the other ways, but you're given choices in how you complete them. You can backstab almost everyone you meet, and in a glorious fashion.DarkHuntress said:
Like the time I met a guy, then killed him, cooked him, served him at a banquet full of unsuspecting guests, and framed his father for the murder.
Its funny, but I've never really seen the humor in the old games. Not really sure why, perhaps because I'm a little too young and all that. Personally I preferred Arcanum to Fallout 1/2 but that's just me. Then again, I prefer fallout 3 over New Vegas for one particular reason. Sure the writing was terrible, and sure, some of the lore didn't quite match up.
But it brought it back. Despite the faction and such system that was in New Vegas, I like to think that you made more of a difference in fallout three. I mean, you can single handedly destroy an entire region/wipe it out of life and not in the stupid 'team up with an idiot to cliche rebuild the world' type thing. You can simply wipe it all out, just for the fun of it.
Its not like you'd personally care after all. Throw in the fact that without fallout three there would never be new Vegas, and that New Vegas often felt like an expansion of three without many changes and all that. Three had more fun exploring, and more genius bonus type things in comparison to New Vegas as well.
It might not be a proper fallout game in comparison to the first two, but then unlike New Vegas, it didn't follow through on the incredibly bugginess of the first two either.
Plus Three Dog was superior to Mr New Vegas easily. He played better music.
But it brought it back. Despite the faction and such system that was in New Vegas, I like to think that you made more of a difference in fallout three. I mean, you can single handedly destroy an entire region/wipe it out of life and not in the stupid 'team up with an idiot to cliche rebuild the world' type thing. You can simply wipe it all out, just for the fun of it.
Its not like you'd personally care after all. Throw in the fact that without fallout three there would never be new Vegas, and that New Vegas often felt like an expansion of three without many changes and all that. Three had more fun exploring, and more genius bonus type things in comparison to New Vegas as well.
It might not be a proper fallout game in comparison to the first two, but then unlike New Vegas, it didn't follow through on the incredibly bugginess of the first two either.
Plus Three Dog was superior to Mr New Vegas easily. He played better music.
meh, Fallout 3 beat the hell out of New Vegas in terms of environments and atmosphere (though, I can't speak for vanilla...I installed about 20 mods before I started playing), so in terms of quality, it's more of a proper Fallout game than Obsidian's mess. Writing sucked, but that's Bethseda for you. I don't see how either FO3 or New Vegas were in any way similar to FO1/2, so I suppose neither are a "proper" fallout game.
Fallout 1/2 were good games, but they're so overrated. BG2, Arcanum, and Black Isle's own Planescape Torment are all much better games
+1Sucal said:
Fallout 1/2 were good games, but they're so overrated. BG2, Arcanum, and Black Isle's own Planescape Torment are all much better games
DustyDrB said:
How did you ever finish the job Ceaser sends you on? You have to talk to one of his men who is working for the NCR ( can't remember their acronym) yet the NCR sees you as a terriorist, if you are playing evil, and they shoot you on sight! So how can you complete the mission if you can't even start it?
Nope Fallout New Vegas is a lemon all wrapped up in a shiny little package for those who want to be good.
Fallout 3 felt very cold to me, like who made it was crossing off ticks like "immersive intro" and "desolate world", "mutated stuff" "future of tommorow", etc.
That's because New Vegas focuses a lot more on grey morality, not "Darth Vader, baby eating evil" vs "Altruistic, Jesus descending holiness" that we found in Fallout 3, anyone with basic grammar and half a brain can write black vs white morality.DarkHuntress said:
e.g: I walk into a town, the sheriff wants me to stop a bunch of bandits who are killing people for lulz, however, the bandits said that if I murder the sheriff and all the townspeople I will be given a large reward.
That's the kind of black vs white morality you find in F3, simple, boring and obvious. In New Vegas the morality is more complicated and usually comes down to personal preference and what you think is right and wrong, not what the game does, the ending decision in Honest Hearts is a good example; neither choices are perfectly good or bad, they both have pros and cons and it depends on what you think is better.