Fallout 3 not a 'proper' Fallout game?
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I didn't find much of the WW stuff without help,but I did find Jimmy's Well which came with that awesome BB gun. But I found a lot more Wild Wasteland stuff in Old World Blues like Dr. Mobius mentioning his Plan 9 and the cyber dogs playing poker. Old World Blues was the funnest thing I did in New Vegas and it was worth the 10 bucks I payed.Hotshots said:
Fallout 3 is a very good game, but it only has one awesome moment, that is Liberty Prime in action,
Same here, with the exception that I played Tactics before 3, but that game isn't all that good.AlternatePFG said:
Heh, no-one can call me nostalgia-blinded when I say that F3 is by far the biggest piece of shit I've ever played and not because of the !!!!!OMG THEY SHAT ON THE LORE!!!!!, but because it's a game with shit story, character, gameplay , atrocious RPG elements and so on......
Playing new vegas felt, simply put, like coming home again. I have been playing it basically non stop since it came out. The last game I did what with was... well... probably fallout 2.Hotshots said:
That's funny because I thought that was one of the worst moments. It reminded me of Oblivion when Martin defeats Mehrunes Dagon, I felt robbed of my importance, instead it was given to some large and invincible character who took the feeling of importance away from me.theriddlen said:
Also Liberty Prime just wasn't fleshed out enough, he seemed to be in the game solely for the "awesome" of it, in fact Bethesda just seemed more occupied with making an "awesome" game than one with a good story and interesting characters.
If you wanted Fallout 1 and 2, you should have played Fallout 1 and 2. Admit it, Fallout 3 was doomed from the start, when it comes to the fanboy group. Oh no, it's made by Bethesda, it's 3D, has a FPS/TPS perspective, and real-time combat. Burn it at the stake. And Fallout 3 is far, FAR from a gritty survival game, with a lot of modding (about a year's worth, in my case), you can sort of get a survival feel going, but the vanilla game is a laugh, you can unload 20 rounds into an unarmoured human, and he shrugs it off...Imbechile said:
It seems to me that whether you like Fallout 3 is based on whether you were a fan of the previous games or not. I didn't like them much, so Fallout 3 was a (surprising) jewel for me. I expected it to be garbage, but played it once and was hooked. Fans of the previous games expected Fallout 3 to be more of the same, and were disappointed when it wasn't. The don't enjoy the game because they compare it to Fallout 1 or 2 at every turn, when they should really just enjoy the game for what it is.
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Well clearly it must be, because you say so. Your word is God, and differing opinions are VERBOTEN. Get off your high horse. Fallout was never hard, and yes, you COULD beat the game in the worst armor possible. How do I know? Because I've actually done it. Start to finish, wearing nothing but Vault suit.Kashrlyyk said:
Oh, and simply mentioning VATS to prove your point proves nothing. Pretty much everyone will agree the damage immunity in VATS was an awful idea, which is why New Vegas removed it.[/quote]
People, it's called mods. I made my own, but if you don't have the will to learn or time, download some. You can change almost anything. With my mod, I dare you to try fighting someone with fists on very easy, one on one, if he has a weapon, you're dead. Get shot a few times, dead as well, even if you had full health and you were level 100. you definitely won't be wearing a Vault suit the whole time. You can also change things like level caps, stat points, pretty much 99% of the game. I went about making it a realistic FPS survival thing, but you can do whatever you want, or download whatever you want.
I've never played a fallout game before 3.I did play Tactics before 3, but that game isn't all that good, so I'm not nostalgia-blinded.Slayer_2 said:
I wouldn't say that F3 was doomed from the start. Sure fans were pessimistic, but that doesn't mean shit. I don't think the fans hate F3 because it's not turn-based( I certanly hope not ), but because of the writing and the ignoring of the lore set by the previous games. New Vegas showed that those were the problems since most fans of the original liked it.
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. You have the full right to indulge in whatever you find enjoyable. I might enjoy fine wine and you'd rather indulge in Maddog 20/20 instead. There's nothing wrong with that.geier said:
Some people just aren't cut out to more demanding forms of entertainment. That's okay. Really.
Wasn't that in the Fallout Bible which was essentially notes written by someone at Black Isle in case someone else took up the franchise (which happened)Rem45 said:
Can't be bothered to look it up now, I know several things in 3 *were* from the Fallout Bible, just can't remember if that was definitely one of them.
It's scary when your name is actually Gary. Trust me :SFalloutJack said:
(btw this is directed at people complaining at Fallout 3, not the guy I quoted
, I agree with you sir!)I enjoy Fallout 3 and I enjoy New Vegas. I agree that New Vegas feels more "Fallout" and without a doubt is funnier, but that doesn't make Fallout 3 bad. In fact I think it's awesome. The RPG system works, and before anyone complains, it works fine. You can't shoot for shit at the beginning, but as you level up, it becomes easier, and enemies go down quicker. That's pretty RPG to me. There was a lot of exploration involved. Every location has some backstory if you actually take the time to look for it. The characters are interesting and varied to the point I actually care about them as people (but yet again, New Vegas wins on the character front). I think Bethesda did a cracking job considering they needed to bring Fallout into the modern market. If you went into Fallout 3 expecting a similar experience to 1 and 2, you're a moron. Bethesda isn't at your beck and call, they needed to make a game to corner as large a market as possible so they could continue making the game. First and foremost, they are a business, so of course their game isn't going to be made to your expectations as a fanboy, since you're a tiny part of the market. Their plan worked, because Fallout is now miles more popular than it ever was. That's because it evolved. It changed. I can't believe how opposed to change we are as a consumer base. It's ridiculous!
It was pretty damn doomed. It's not an uncommon thing in the gaming world, a great game comes out, and a sequel is announced. Every fan expects the original game but way better (somehow), but you better not dare try anything new. When they get something different, tempers rise quick. People just can't accept change (not just with gaming, either). I hear people bitching about how super mutants aren't all green, and how there are so many feral ghouls and I laugh sadly, then I feel like crying over these pathetic nitpicks. Yes, Fallout 3 is different, yes the dialogue isn't perfect, but compare it to most AAA titles these days, and really THINK about the amount of content that is in it, and how much time and work even that took. To make sure everything is convincing and Fallout-friendly would have taken so much longer, and frankly not been worth it to most people.Imbechile said:
The problem with bethesda is that they forced dates on black isle (a company founded by the interplay employees who created fallout), a company that simply wanted to make fallout, the way its meant to be, while bethesda proceeds to attempt to sue them and interplay for undermining what all of a sudden bethesda thinks is their child not the creators. not the point, but fallout 3 was more of a mess than New vegas, at least new vegas tried to capture the feeling of the originals. yes this is out of context but I miss when it was borderline pen and paper, because you at least had time to write a story.Gazisultima said:It's scary when your name is actually Gary. Trust me :SFalloutJack said:
(btw this is directed at people complaining at Fallout 3, not the guy I quoted
I enjoy Fallout 3 and I enjoy New Vegas. I agree that New Vegas feels more "Fallout" and without a doubt is funnier, but that doesn't make Fallout 3 bad. In fact I think it's awesome. The RPG system works, and before anyone complains, it works fine. You can't shoot for shit at the beginning, but as you level up, it becomes easier, and enemies go down quicker. That's pretty RPG to me. There was a lot of exploration involved. Every location has some backstory if you actually take the time to look for it. The characters are interesting and varied to the point I actually care about them as people (but yet again, New Vegas wins on the character front). I think Bethesda did a cracking job considering they needed to bring Fallout into the modern market. If you went into Fallout 3 expecting a similar experience to 1 and 2, you're a moron. Bethesda isn't at your beck and call, they needed to make a game to corner as large a market as possible so they could continue making the game. First and foremost, they are a business, so of course their game isn't going to be made to your expectations as a fanboy, since you're a tiny part of the market. Their plan worked, because Fallout is now miles more popular than it ever was. That's because it evolved. It changed. I can't believe how opposed to change we are as a consumer base. It's ridiculous!
Hrmm I don't know, I'm currently replaying fallout 3 and I must say it is different, because I just came from New Vegas.
What I would like is a real combination of the two games, keep the more gruesome and more gritty version of the world in F3 and add the skill/perk/modding/traits/facton system to it. I really miss creating ammunition or the jury rigging perk in F3, aswell as the perks that are given to you, as soon as you reach a milestone.
What I like much better are the percentages when you have some decision/speek check to do, instead of this annoying "you have to have x points to make this" you have a percentage, just yesterday I had a percentage of 9% and lady luck still allowed me to pass, while I remember in NV that I sometimes had to take magazins ~just~ to get one point more.
I still have the feeling that F3 however fleshes the sourcematerial out much more, the different vaults and everything, while still having things like the mother ship, operation anchorage and the pit of "new" strange things within the universe.
What I would like is a real combination of the two games, keep the more gruesome and more gritty version of the world in F3 and add the skill/perk/modding/traits/facton system to it. I really miss creating ammunition or the jury rigging perk in F3, aswell as the perks that are given to you, as soon as you reach a milestone.
What I like much better are the percentages when you have some decision/speek check to do, instead of this annoying "you have to have x points to make this" you have a percentage, just yesterday I had a percentage of 9% and lady luck still allowed me to pass, while I remember in NV that I sometimes had to take magazins ~just~ to get one point more.
I still have the feeling that F3 however fleshes the sourcematerial out much more, the different vaults and everything, while still having things like the mother ship, operation anchorage and the pit of "new" strange things within the universe.
Meh. First you'd have to establish what makes a "proper" fallout game and I doubt if anyone can do that. I don't think you can bottle or label a feeling that makes up a game. As such how you feel about the title is entirely a subjective and personal opinion. All I know is that it has the name Fallout so that makes it in name a Fallout game, no matter how people feel. Now, I'm off to punch a Deathclaw in the face in New Vegas.
i dunno. i kinda feel like fallout 3 was closer to fallout 1 in tone. minus a lot of the goofy humour(And some of the humour beth put in failed to be funny) whilst new vegas has more of the feel of fallout 2, what with the ncr and society being somewhat rebuilt. I guess you can explain the difference between the state of the mojave and the state of the capital wasteland by the amount of bombs that landed on the capital and the supermutant horde slowly down rebuilding.