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Happiness Assassin

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I don't know if this is the right place to do something like this, but... fuck it. Right now my family is trying to decide whether or not to kick my 18 year old sister out on the street. Honestly, none of us know if this is the right thing to do and I could just use a little help form someone who as ever had something similar happen to them. I'll first give some back story.

I am a 20 year old college student who is staying at home with my parents, my parents, my previously mentioned 18 year old sister, and a 13 year old sister.

My sister has been in the past a trouble maker of the highest caliber. She parties, drinks, smokes pot whenever she can. One night 2 years ago I spent 3 hours flagging cars away from my house after she tried to start a party. She has stolen hundreds of dollars worth of items from my parents and extended family (clothes, phones, etc.) and sells most of it. She is verbally abusive to absolutely everyone, constantly putting everyone around her down. Hell, a year and a half ago she called in a bomb threat to the school, in her words, "as a joke." The only reason that she wasn't sent to jail that night was on the judgment of the officer who would pay a visit to our house. She is just all around not a good person and it sucks that I am actually saying that about my sister.

But my family has put up with her this much because, like me and my mother, has been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. She is crazy manic and very high maintenance. She has been sent to a mental institution twice, once after threatening suicide and again after making the threat over Facebook. But she refuses to see any problem at all, completely oblivious to how she is affecting everyone else. She is uncooperative with therapists, refuses to take medication, and denies she even has a problem. I am not unsympathetic to her illness, as I said before, I am also diagnosed Bipolar. I actually moved back home and switched schools because I had a breakdown. But unlike her, I recognize what is wrong with me and am trying to rectify it. I go to therapy, am on meds, and am still going for an engineering degree. She has no plans to improve and is almost certainly going to have to repeat her senior year of high school. She has gotten fired for her last job and owns everyone in our family an obscene amount of money.

Now the events of the past 24 hours: in the last day she has failed a drug test, tested positive for an STD, and has been arrested for shoplifting. She is currently sitting in lockup as I type. On the way to the station, she made a mockery of the whole situation, calling the officer names and other stupid shit. She fully expects to get off with no repercussions for her actions and makes it clear she thinks the whole situation is a joke. She will not change.

Now my mom has discussed with us whether or not we should kick her out. In all honesty, I think she should leave. She treats everyone like shit, is a consummate liar, and is in denial about her problems. But part of me hates the fact that I even can say these things. If we kick her out, she will fail out of high school, she will not get help for her illness, and she won't have any other family to stay with, only a friend's house (maybe). But I don't think she is going to pass if she stays her anyway, she makes it clear that she isn't trying to deal with her illness, and is actively making our lives more miserable.

I am not sure what to think here. I know what needs to be done, but she doesn't. I just need to hear what someone else has to say, whether they have enough distance to see things clearly or someone who has gone through something similar. So, what do we do? Are we selfish for wanting her gone? Are we fucking her up any more if we were to keep tolerating this behavior?

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Happiness Assassin said:
So, what do we do? Are we selfish for wanting her gone? Are we fucking her up any more if we were to keep tolerating this behavior?
First you and your parents aren't selfish for considering this sort of stuff. There is a limit to how much people can take and I have seen it a few times that people delude themselves into playing, well, the white knight: They stick to the person in question regardless of how much of a dick or insane fuck he/she, endure all sorts of crazy hardship because of the notion that the person they provide for will change and they can somehow "save" them - and guess what? It doesn't work out, goes on for years and to not having to face reality even a little small thing that changes for the better is celebrated as a large success despite the fact that this changes absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sometimes the pains of making a harsh decision to change things is for the better in the long term for everyone.

That said, I think what you and your family as well as your sister need is that she gets out and has a change of place - somewhere where she has some more structure and control in her daily routine and hopefully gets some treatment for her condition. Hence, I'd say that getting her into a closed mental institution or somesuch for at least a year sounds more reasonable than just kicking her out completely if that is possible from the financial and legal side of things. Should that not be possible....well...things cannot continue how they are and kicking her out is a viable option despite the dangers to her - so I'd say go for it if all else fails. You may also consider to use this as leverage to make her go into some long-term treatment.
 

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First, I'd like to say thanks for responding.

Second, trust me when I say we tried to get her committed. But the way that the institutions are set up, there is no way she can be sent to an institution if she doesn't want to go. The only way we could "force" her is if she were a danger to herself or others. But once she is usually deemed to be safe and on medication after a few days or weeks, they release her. Their obligation ends at the door. From there the cycle then continues. I have seen this happen to others, like my uncle, who was schizophrenic. He would be arrested, put in an institution, medicated, released, and then he would disappear, only to pop up again either to ask for money, make paranoid phone-calls, or get arrested again.

But back to my sister. The main reason why we are hesitating on what we know is best for the family at large is because she really doesn't have ANYWHERE to go. All other relatives live far out into the boondocks or are surrounded by the same behavior as her. She could find a friend to stay at for the rest of the school year, but her erratic behavior has essentially made it impossible to have any extended relationship. The people she hangs out with currently have been her friends for, at most, 3 months. Even then, it sounds like they all have their own issues. If we kick her out, I can't picture a scenario where she doesn't eventually end up on the streets. Which could either be the wake up call she needs or the worst possible situation for someone with her condition. Frankly, typing all this out makes me realize there is only one option and that I have already made up my mind on the matter. It's just... no one wants to give up on someone like that. But I guess sometimes there is only one to go about this.
 

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Happiness Assassin said:
Second, trust me when I say we tried to get her committed. But the way that the institutions are set up, there is no way she can be sent to an institution if she doesn't want to go. The only way we could "force" her is if she were a danger to herself or others. But once she is usually deemed to be safe and on medication after a few days or weeks, they release her. Their obligation ends at the door. From there the cycle then continues. I have seen this happen to others, like my uncle, who was schizophrenic. He would be arrested, put in an institution, medicated, released, and then he would disappear, only to pop up again either to ask for money, make paranoid phone-calls, or get arrested again.
I'm not sure how things work in your area, what happened here was my brother was forcefully committed to hospital as a danger to others, I'm not sure if you can do that based on her suicide threats as a danger to herself. We then evicted him, then the hospital is in a situation where if they kick him out he's on the streets, so they are obligated to get him supported accommodation. It might be worth your while looking into what is available in your area.

As someone who's been in a similar situation as you my feelings are to kick her out, that's the only wake up call that might ever change her, and given how she treats everyone, she deserves them not letting her abuse them and supporting her.
 

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I'm kind of curious, how was it that you sister, still being in high school, has received testing for both drugs and STDs?
 

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Happiness Assassin said:
Are we selfish for wanting her gone? Are we fucking her up any more if we were to keep tolerating this behavior?
I can't really help with your situation, but in my opinion, NO you are absolutely NOT being selfish for wanting her gone. As you said, you and your mom both have bipolar disorder, and you are handling it with meds and therapy. This is definitely something that can be lived with; it's not a death sentence. But honestly? Your sister is being a selfish brat, and if kicking her out is the only way that the rest of your family can be happy, then it might be the best solution. She's 18. I don't care if she's bipolar or not, she needs to learn to take care of herself.

I am really sorry that this is happening to you and your family.
 
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Happiness Assassin said:
It's just... no one wants to give up on someone like that.
By forcing things to change you and your family are making the right call. Things cannot continue as they are - for that they have already progressed too far beyond any other option. Don't beat yourself up over it - this situation is not your fault.

It's unfortunate that the commitment option doesn't work because for all it counts, your sister sounds like a case where this would do some real good. However, you might be able to kick her out and simultaneously coax her into therapy and provide her with a place to stay if she so chooses. If financially possible your family might be able to arrange some sort of closed therapy for her and offer it to her after kicking her out - if she wants a bed, she either has to sleep on the streets or accept at least a year in therapy to get her shit together; The farther away from your place, the better. Or in other words: you can still extend her a hand even while kicking her out.
 

Happiness Assassin

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Thanks again to everybody who responded. This really does help.

FizzyIzze said:
I'm kind of curious, how was it that you sister, still being in high school, has received testing for both drugs and STDs?
My parents already didn't trust her and would do the occasional random drug test; she failed. That same day we received a call from the pharmacy saying that her medication was ready. Then in the morning the next day we received a call from from a store alerting us of her shoplifting and their intention of calling the police. She has admitted to all of it.

JoshGod said:
Here in the states, more specifically Washington state, there is almost nothing short of committing a violent crime that can get you committed (or that is how it has been in my experience). Here once you are apparently stable for a few weeks or so, they shove you out the door never checking up on you. Like I said, my uncle has been in and out of mental institutions for years. At this point we have come to realize that we can't help her anymore, the responsibility must fall to at some point. If she wants help she must realize that there is a problem and seek it out herself.

Well, the decision has pretty much been made. Thanks again to everyone. It really is up to her now. I just hope she can pull through.