Also Han Solo copped a feel in ROTJ after Leia was shot in the arm, as he was helping her back up against the wall, right before she blasted the Storm Troopers standing behind Han.Draconalis said:
"Family Values" Groups Launch Email Campaign Against BioWare
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Seriously? Family? They have Anikin (more than once) kill children en mass. Remember the line "I killed them all, not just the men but the women and the children." and lets not for get the younglings. So if I am to understand this correctly, according to the FFA, a story about a cereal killer of children who gets away with it, becomes ruler of the galaxy, commits countless atrocities for which he is never held accountable, dies an old man and goes to The Jedi equivalent of 'heaven' is not as bad as gay marriage? Did I get that right?
I am sick of this "I don't like it so no one can have it" mentality that has become so pervasive in our society. I'd like to propose that we start a 2 prongs counter email campaign. One at the FFA asking them if they think before they speak and telling them to stop shoving there half baked ideology down other peoples throats and another to Bioware praising them for telling these people to kiss off.
I am sick of this "I don't like it so no one can have it" mentality that has become so pervasive in our society. I'd like to propose that we start a 2 prongs counter email campaign. One at the FFA asking them if they think before they speak and telling them to stop shoving there half baked ideology down other peoples throats and another to Bioware praising them for telling these people to kiss off.
this is just stupid. Sure, let the kids kill each other in all those shooter games, but God forbid they see a gay person in one *triple facepalm*... And lets pretend it's not the parents' job to keep their child away from harmful stuff. It's their fault letting a 10 year old play Halo or MW or SWTOR. I was playing Mario at that age.
Reading the title of this, I said to myself, "Let me guess: homosexuality." God, these groups are so predictable. Here's a letter I'd write them:
Dear extremi-- I mean, uh, "family values activists",
I'm gay. I'm not gay because a TV show made me like men, I'm not gay because seeing FemShep and Liara T'soni getting it on made me want to try it with a dude, and no kid can be made gay from such. In no way is it propaganda to portray homosexuality without discouraging it, in no way is it imorral to do so. I wonder if you people actually experienced a lot of great fiction proving you wrong; I just can't agree with someone who hasn't seen Sling Blade! Basically, you people are trying to create a world where your ideas are held to a higher standerd than others. What you're doing is pretty much just communism with a prettier name.
Signed, me.
Dear extremi-- I mean, uh, "family values activists",
I'm gay. I'm not gay because a TV show made me like men, I'm not gay because seeing FemShep and Liara T'soni getting it on made me want to try it with a dude, and no kid can be made gay from such. In no way is it propaganda to portray homosexuality without discouraging it, in no way is it imorral to do so. I wonder if you people actually experienced a lot of great fiction proving you wrong; I just can't agree with someone who hasn't seen Sling Blade! Basically, you people are trying to create a world where your ideas are held to a higher standerd than others. What you're doing is pretty much just communism with a prettier name.
Signed, me.
I did as well earlier today. I didn't realize it was going to go directly to EA and Lucas Films, though, and included some sarcasm thinking that someone from ADA would read it over first. It wasn't all sarcastic and I also praised the companies for including a usually underrepresented group.rudolphna said:So... Am I the only one to use the ADA email form to PRAISE EA and bioware for including same sex relationships? I typed in my own subject and message, praising them, and chastising the ADA for being morally backward, asking them to please join us in the 21st century. They weren't expecting THAT.
I can't stand all the hate that Mass Effect 3 and Star Wars: TOR are getting for catering to a growing audience. I you are not gay, and don't like gay people, don't play as one. If you are, congrats, you are no longer forced into a simulated heterosexual coupling.
So far my sith warrior in SW:TOR has committed multiple cases of murder, torture, warcrimes and acts of terrorims including but not limited to blowing up ships full of soldiers families with unmarked pirate ships.
But thankfully he had no same sex raelations, so these actions are nothing for parents to worry about.
But thankfully he had no same sex raelations, so these actions are nothing for parents to worry about.
"Star Wars videogames are for children. An overwhelming percentage of the 1.7 million games sold are being used by children who do not need to be exposed to this propaganda"
...Barring the Lego Star Wars games (Which I consider Lego games and not Star Wars) and the one for Kinect that isn't out yet, I haven't really seen any Star Wars games that were for kids out recently. Including the one they're bitching about.
Also, I love how half of this thread is composed of complaining about Christians being intolerant towards homosexuals, while simultaneously being intolerant towards Christians.
It's one big Intolerance Howdown!
...Barring the Lego Star Wars games (Which I consider Lego games and not Star Wars) and the one for Kinect that isn't out yet, I haven't really seen any Star Wars games that were for kids out recently. Including the one they're bitching about.
Also, I love how half of this thread is composed of complaining about Christians being intolerant towards homosexuals, while simultaneously being intolerant towards Christians.
It's one big Intolerance Howdown!
Oh for fuck sake, this is getting stupid. The existence of homosexual content in a game doesn't mean its trying to encourage it, only that it's acknowledging the existence of such things. While I do think a game intended for kids shouldn't include graphically explicit sex in it, that is what age ratings are for. You wouldn't (or shouldn't) let an eight year old play The Witcher 2 if you think he or she shouldn't be exposed to nudity and unambiguous sexual content, and that's why the game's rated M! If The Old Republic's rated T, and it doesn't include a lot of sexually explicit content or nudity in it, then that sounds appropriate. I'd think by teenage years the average kid would be ready to acknowledge the existence of homosexuality. Pre-teen age, that's debatable, but by the mid-teens I don't think you're going to be shattering that much childhood innocence with non-sexualized gay characters.
So yeah, I don't think The Old Republic is trying to warp the minds of today's youth if they're giving their game a responsible rating. That puts the responsibility of who sees the game's content on the parents, not the developers.
Oh, and if you're going to compare my opinion on this issue to my opinion on the gay-marriage-Archie-comic-in-Toys-R-Us one, here's the difference I see. The comic being in Toys-R-Us means any underage kid could pick it up and look in it. With the game, there's much better control over who gets access to the content. To me it's the difference between having naked pictures in a magazine behind a store counter and pinning up a Playboy centerfold on the bulletin board in a youth center. Maybe not an exact equivalent, but something like that.
So yeah, I don't think The Old Republic is trying to warp the minds of today's youth if they're giving their game a responsible rating. That puts the responsibility of who sees the game's content on the parents, not the developers.
Oh, and if you're going to compare my opinion on this issue to my opinion on the gay-marriage-Archie-comic-in-Toys-R-Us one, here's the difference I see. The comic being in Toys-R-Us means any underage kid could pick it up and look in it. With the game, there's much better control over who gets access to the content. To me it's the difference between having naked pictures in a magazine behind a store counter and pinning up a Playboy centerfold on the bulletin board in a youth center. Maybe not an exact equivalent, but something like that.
The thing is, they're not concerned for their kids. Their kids only play "wholesome" Christian games and read the Bible for fun. They're worried about other people's kids, which I think it a wee bit out of their jurisdiction. Honestly, if people just worried about themselves more and let other people live their lives, so long as it's not hurting anyone else, then the world would be a better place.Lizardon said: