Far Cry 3 and The Rape of Jason Brody

[Zhukov]

Eh, Jason really didn't seem to mind.

Maybe I could see where you're coming from if he'd sat up, pushed her off and said, "Hey, what the hell you crazy *****?!"

Except he doesn't. Not even close. He just continues to cheerfully fondle those perky tits before standing up and giving a little speech to the effect of, "Rackyat, fuck yeah!"

 

[Lonewolfm16]

Eh, Jason really didn't seem to mind.

Maybe I could see where you're coming from if he'd sat up, pushed her off and said, "Hey, what the hell you crazy *****?!"

Except he doesn't. Not even close. He just continues to cheerfully fondle those perky tits before standing up and giving a little speech to the effect of, "Rackyat, fuck yeah!"

So, basically, its not rape if they enjoyed it? Good to know.

 

[Zhukov]

Eh, Jason really didn't seem to mind.

Maybe I could see where you're coming from if he'd sat up, pushed her off and said, "Hey, what the hell you crazy *****?!"

Except he doesn't. Not even close. He just continues to cheerfully fondle those perky tits before standing up and giving a little speech to the effect of, "Rackyat, fuck yeah!"

So, basically, its not rape if they enjoyed it? Good to know.

Yeah, pretty much.

Although I can see you trying to twist my words there smart guy. It's less that he enjoyed it, and more that he very clearly had no problems with the situation.

Let me put this another way. If I kiss my girlfriend on the cheek while she's asleep, or half asleep, have I just committed sexual assault or something similar?

 

[SFMB]

Well... Sadly, I must note, that the kid deserved it. It was a bold move from the makers, but made the scene even more disturbing. I kinda liked it.

 

[IronMit]

Not sure if relevant but the writer of the game was talking about exaggerating media Tropes of the white man in a new society or whatever.
So Jason basically conquers the Island of natives and gets to bed the hottie, it's obvious non-apologetic male fantasy . Yeah in real life it's rape but the narrative here had an entirely different agenda.

The Tomb Raider clip was worrying because 'you will want to protect her', 'character development' followed by a cutscene of lara being groped ...so people reacted with 'So a woman needs to survive a rape to have character development??!'.

 

[Ryotknife]

Just throwing this out here; the first male rape in a video game that I can think of is Beckett from FEAR 2. Alma raped him (and got pregnant with his child!) while he was chained to a chair, while be was busy fighting the final boss in their mindscape, although it did occasionally flash back to Alma grunting and grinding on top of him.

Nobody mentioned that, either.

probably because nobody has a single bloody clue what was going on in that scene until they saw the pregnant Alma. That whole final fight was....mind trippy.

 

[TheDoctor455]

Hmm... interesting...

though this is hardly the first instance of a male character being raped in a video-game.

Spoiler: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... the end of FEAR 2.

I don't remember ANYONE mentioning THAT.

 

[neonsword13-ops]

1) She's wearing a skirt.
2) Jason is wearing pants, and I don't recall him pulling them up and zipping up his fly afterwards.

Whatever your problem with it: You have to make a lot of assumptions which are contradicted by the source to call it rape.

Yup. They were just humping with their jimmies on. That's all I saw.

In no way did I see that as "rape".

If we're talking rape, we'd have more luck discussing a certain male deer and his basement victim.

 

[The Lunatic]

The fact we're even having this debate is pretty evident there's a very big disconnect between what it's acceptable to do to guys and what it's acceptable to do to women.


If the roles were reversed, it wouldn't be a debate.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

I didn't perceive the scene as rape. When I watched it I thought the hallucinatory boss fight was a drug-addled metaphor for him having sex with Cintra. I mean, he was obviously high, but I didn't get the impression that he was so high he'd lost his ability to consent.

I do think that if the genders were reversed, this would have been unacceptable. That's just a consequence of how media perceives gender and sex. If it's a guy having sex while high, the assumption is that it's consensual. If it's a girl, the assumption is that she's being taken advantage of. I think that the FC3 writers didn't write that scene as rape because they assumed that we'd assume it was consensual, whereas if they'd reversed the genders, we'd assume the opposite. So, no; I don't think this is a rape scene, intentional or unintentional, if only because Jason seems to be totally okay with it afterwards.

The real stupid thing is that FEAR 2 got away with literally raping the protagonist from a first-person perspective and no-one - reviewers, players, feminist bloggers - batted an eyelid. You couldn't conceive of doing that scene with a female protagonist, regardless of your intended message. The backlash would be monstrous.

 

[SextusMaximus]

It isn't the only "suggested rape" in the game. One of the characters is kept underground in some filthy cellar, chained to a bed. Presumably being raped every single day by his captor. No one talked about that either, I mean.. nothing, I didn't see any mention of it on the Garme jurnalizm! grapevine..

Lara Croft wasn't raped, and we've only seen the trailer. She was groped and "grabbed at", but the entire internet was in an uproar, and I was embarrassed just having to be present in the same universe. Why Lara uproar/controversy and no mention of this? Because unwarranted militant feminism.

As far Brody getting date-raped. If you had played a Jill Brody, I can tell you right now we wouldn't be discussing whether or not Jill "seemed to enjoy it anyway", otherwise you would get banned. That's right, you are not allowed to mirror a female character like this at all, because it's not allowed.

Absolutely spot on. Just this all over.

 

[Nomanslander]

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Eh, Jason really didn't seem to mind.

Maybe I could see where you're coming from if he'd sat up, pushed her off and said, "Hey, what the hell you crazy *****?!"

Except he doesn't. Not even close. He just continues to cheerfully fondle those perky tits before standing up and giving a little speech to the effect of, "Rackyat, fuck yeah!"

Exactly!

Jason Brody isn't exactly a blank slate silent protagonist made to where the player can transfer their personalities into. He already has a personality, and therefore I don't see how this topic is necessary. Now I can understand not every player with a Y chromosome would be so dudebro about this matter; some or even many would find this particular scene in the game offensive or at least stereotypical. But Jason Brody is that dudebro character that would be all for having a strange and most definitely dangerous women take advantage of him sexually.

It's alpha male fantasy wish fulfillment all the way, and I don't see anything wrong with it.

Sure, there would be something wrong if the game was giving the impression that all guys and would feel likewise in this scenario; but once again, you have to remember the main character has a story and character arc that we as players have to just accept. Playing Jason Brody isn't so much as our personal journey as it is his. All we can do is develop our understanding how it feels to be Jason Brody, not the other way around.

 

[Vivid Kazumi]

it just seems how it works nowadays.in fear 2 your main character is raped by alma(thus leading to conceiving the main's bastard in 3).yet, not a peep was mentioned in the gaming community.but dear lord a few groping and defending yourself is "rape"..

 

[lapan]

I was a little more focused on how freaked out out no one was getting riled up over the sex slave Keith sub plot (enjoyed sticking that fucking knife in Buck's throat a little too much" That scene was just kinda disturbing. "I like my meat raw"...Jesus. I never thought about it because it stopped being creepy and started being funny when she only took her top off and since Jason got up and ran out after, I assume he was still wearing his clothes. All I can see going on is a little humping. Still I see your point.

I wouldn't have been surprised if either of these things went unnoticed/unreported in an indie game for instance, but seeing as it was a big budget game from a major developer (with a substantial advertising campaign) it amazes me that these two things haven't even been commented on either positively or negatively in the media.

Some of the more tasteless scenes of DmC went unnoticed by the gaming press as well, so it's not surprising to me at all. The scene where one of the protagonists shoots a pregnant woman after he shot her baby comes to mind in particular. Yet not even a comment, positive or negative.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Eh, Jason really didn't seem to mind.

Maybe I could see where you're coming from if he'd sat up, pushed her off and said, "Hey, what the hell you crazy *****?!"

Except he doesn't. Not even close. He just continues to cheerfully fondle those perky tits before standing up and giving a little speech to the effect of, "Rackyat, fuck yeah!"

So, basically, its not rape if they enjoyed it? Good to know.

Yeah, pretty much.

Although I can see you trying to twist my words there smart guy. It's less that he enjoyed it, and more that he very clearly had no problems with the situation.

Except that the situation in question began while he was tripping on drugs. Meaning that Citra had no way of knowing when she started fucking him whether he would enjoy it or not. Meaning that she obviously didn't care about his feelings at all regarding the matter.

Tripping on drugs. Citra had no way of knowing if he'd enjoy it or not. Ergo, rape. Whether he enjoyed it afterwards or not, she had no way of knowing.

I think we should try to remember that this was not getting passed off as some standard love scene. The body paint should be the first clue to that. Citra was obviously insane and didn't give two fucks whether Brody wanted it or not - She just wanted to mold him into her perfect dream warrior. I mean, the dude with the glasses was tattooing Brody while he was unconscience, too.

 

[Auron]

They were humping with their clothes on and no party was objecting in fact they both seemed into it, I understand if you weren't but from the character perspective this doesn't seem like rape to me, but if you want to imagine it that way there is always the possibility.

Good god man, he was drugged senseless, I should add the situation was "either you go through this ritual or we stop helping you now and you need our help." he woke up completely groggy and that has been going for a while. Lara fucking murdered a guy who assaulted her came out on top of the situation like a boss and there was a hell of an uproar, nothing wrong with this?

...If it was a girl YEAH the captor wouldn't have even had to say anything, it would have just been thought "girl trapped in a guys basement, chained to a bed?...yeah she was raped." But no one ever thinks of that when it comes to men cause the macho image still prevails, that a man can take care of himself and can never be compromised unless he's physically weak (or gay, but generally the stereotype is gay=phsyically weak) and that's simply not true. Hell it doesn't even have to come down to strength, roofies go in men's drinks too.

If you play the game you'll notice the rape's very clear what's happening.

Beyond that...well to be totally honest I don't believe the gaming industry has a very good view of it's MALE customers/characters just like it's female customers/characters. "Give them some boobs, they'll be happy," is often what I see in games. So I wouldn't be surprised if the creators never even thought "This is kinda molestationy/rapey...", instead it was probably more like "Oh she is SO hot, I'd love to see her grinding on top of me....so our players will too!"

The game actually explores a bunch of related issues, don't believe they were treating men as idiots there. The Rakyat end up being a dark cult of crazy temple of doom style murderers by the end of the game and you don't really know if they're much better than the Pirates it makes sense that she would test him before getting pregnant with their "demon child" at the end.

 

[Phasmal]

I avoided buying Far Cry 3 as I heard that there was rape in it, so bear in mind I haven't played any of it, and while that scene does look to me like dry-humping and not rape, it's still wrong.
I'm also kind of embarrassed to say I played all the way through Fear 2 and had no idea there was rape in that either. I went through that scene like `what just happened?`.

I don't get the outrage at the lack of outrage though.
If you're outraged, be outraged, don't wait for someone else to do it for you.

I'm not saying there isn't a double standard there, they definitely would have thought twice about it if the genders were reversed. Female gamers have been pissed about their representation in games for a while, maybe it's time for some guys to get angry too.