Far Cry 3 and The Rape of Jason Brody

[hazabaza1]

Tell me, do you refuse to watch any film that shows sexual assault to an established character?

Yes, if I know about it beforehand, I will make a point to avoid it (unless the sexual assault happens off-screen or is glossed over).

So you willingly remain ignorant about specific topics and still feel free to discuss them.
Fantastic work there. Great case you're making.

 

[Arakasi]

Yep, the main character was raped.
Yep, the main character didn't really care that he got raped. (But that doesn't change that he got raped.)
Yep, were the main character a woman there'd be controversy abound.

 

[HellbirdIV]

... Uh, Jason was raped?

Huh, I guess that's one way to look at it. Given that he totally wanted to bone Citra from the moment they met made me just sort of assume he was in on it.

Also, considering the ending(s), it seemed likely to me that the incident in the middle of the game was more of a suggestive ritual thing than actual sex.

 

[William Ossiss]

Reminds me a lot of the ending of Fear 2. Non-consensual in multiple games.

 

[The_Scrivener]

Thread title contains spoilers as far as I'm concerned. Thanks.

 

[Mcupobob]

If Jason filed a report to the local law in enforcement, Oh wait there is none. No detective Stabler to berate and question Jason, no Elliot to get way to involved in the case and no Munch to argue point counter point of the situation, and then Ice-T wanders in and says something inappropriate. Not that it matters the whole game is a Male power fantasy. All your doing is trying to use that scene to rabble-rouse for a agenda. I don't know something about the plight of the male gender? Yes its a double standard, I'll give you that but Jason the dush-bag gone psychopath the moment someone hands him a gun wasn't angry or traumatized by it.

If he was that would have been an interesting story, and he would have to get his revenge jungle style what with there being no law and order and all.

 

[Tropicaz]

As has been said, I imagine there would have been uproar if Citra was a bloke and Jason was a woman, and similarly I imagine a bigger deal would have been made out of it if it was 2 guys. But, so is the way of the media at the moment; I suppose unfortunately there's little that can be done to change it at the moment.

 

[Schadrach]

I don't think it's such a big double standard that everyone ITT is talking about. Yes if it were a female protagonist there would be an uproar, but I don't consider that particularly unjustified. Mainly because statistically, rape of females is a waaaay bigger problem than female on male rape. As in, female on male rape is less than 1 percent of all rapes to occur. Even male on male rape occurs far less than male on female.

Not that it makes the act any less terrible when it occurs, but there's really no use pretending female on male rape is an equal societal problem as the reverse.

To arrive at that, you have to use a definition of "rape" that requires the victim be penetrated. NISVS literally classed the kind of things like this case and the FEAR2 scenario under a subcategory of other labeled "made to penetrate". Previous year entries on NISVS for "rape" and "made to penetrate" combined were similar for both men and women.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Would have been worse if you woke up and it was Vass ramming you roughly over a tree stump while whispering about what insanity is. Even if that happened in the game i doubt there would be as much uproar as Lara getting gropped a bit.....and she kicked the guys arse from what i remember from that trailer. I think this is more of crime that is aimed at woman than man, thus is a very touchy subject. I dont see why they need rape in games anyway, its not needed.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

Even if Jason would've been okay with cheating on his girlfriend, Cintra striding him while he's intoxicated is still very sketchy. I don't know if it could be considered rape, but the lack of this, or any concrete examples of male rape in general from Farcry 3 (Keith) on the airways is a bit disturbing.

 

[Darken12]

So you willingly remain ignorant about specific topics and still feel free to discuss them.
Fantastic work there. Great case you're making.

Of course I feel free to discuss them. Do I need to get raped to talk about rape? If that was the case, all the people who deny the existence of a rape culture would have to shut the fuck up.

So yeah, I do talk about them. It's possible to talk about things without experiencing them, just like we talk about death, murder, other cultures, history, politics, science and many more subjects. Your argument is absolutely baseless and reeks of finding ways to dismiss valid viewpoints because goodness forbid we say something bad about a videogame. We all must like and support all games ever; and if we don't, we must remain quiet and keep our opinions to ourselves.

 

[Lieju]

And given the fact that he was clearly okay with it, the whole point is moot. No-one would prosecute a rape case where the "victim" is okay with the sex that happened. Especially given that there are much better examples of male rape victims both in Far Cry 3 and in other games, like FEAR 2.

Whether you liked it or not, if you didn't give your consent, it's rape.
After all, if you feel like shit after sex you consented to, is it rape? You can't decide consent afterwards.

As for why it's not talked about, men like to think rape can't happen to them.
So many people don't recognise it as rape.

I think it's far more important to ask why something like this is put on the game.
With Tomb Raider the fear many people had was that they put sexual assault in because they needed to make Lara a victim you protect, because all players are male and they can't identify with a female protagonist.

This is probably put in for men to ogle at the chick...
It's a male sexual fantasy, the reactions would be different if it was a man doing that or if she was ugly.

Would have been worse if you woke up and it was Vass ramming you roughly over a tree stump while whispering about what insanity is..

Why?

 

[goliath6711]

So you willingly remain ignorant about specific topics and still feel free to discuss them.
Fantastic work there. Great case you're making.

Of course I feel free to discuss them. Do I need to get raped to talk about rape? If that was the case, all the people who deny the existence of a rape culture would have to shut the fuck up.

So yeah, I do talk about them. It's possible to talk about things without experiencing them, just like we talk about death, murder, other cultures, history, politics, science and many more subjects. Your argument is absolutely baseless and reeks of finding ways to dismiss valid viewpoints because goodness forbid we say something bad about a videogame. We all must like and support all games ever; and if we don't, we must remain quiet and keep our opinions to ourselves.

No, you don't have to experience something to have a reasonable discussion about it, but you do have to be knowledgeable about it. And that knowledge comes from stories that are told, whether they be real stories from people that experienced it, or fictional stories based on that reality. Now you can debate about "proper context" and "proper time and place" all you want. But when you actively avoid a subject and then try and speak on that subject as if you know about it, that's when people will start to have a problem with you.

 

[Darken12]

No, you don't have to experience something to have a reasonable discussion about it, but you do have to be knowledgeable about it. And that knowledge comes from stories that are told whether they be real stories from people that experienced it, or fictional stories based off that reality. Now you can debate about "proper context" and "proper time and place" all you want. But when you actively avoid a subject and then try and speak on that subject as if you know about it, that's where people will start to have a problem with you.

I am quite knowledgeable about rape in the entertainment industry, thanks, I have to encounter it in a dismally large percentage of most of what I read or watch, hence why I go out of my way to avoid it. I get enough rape shoved in my face already.

Let's not be coy here. This is just an argument to silence dissent and criticism, as is the plethora of "come on guys, you know you wouldn't have a problem if you were in his place, so it's obviously not rape and you're just making a big fuss over nothing" and "he wasn't traumatised so it wasn't rape" and "it wasn't rape because I can't see any penetration" and "it wasn't rape because he sleeps with her again" comments.

Can we please stop being so defensive about every little thing someone says about a game? It's okay if you liked Far Cry 3 in spite of the rape scene. Nobody's clamouring for the game to be censored or removed from the shelves. Nobody's saying that people who like the game deserve to be punched in the face. We let you like it, can you please let us not like it?

 

[wulf3n]

The point is there is a double standard at play here and Far Cry 3 illustrates it

I disagree. This was written by a man, about a man as such it's basically glorified fan fic. It's why there wasn't a massive shit storm about 50 shades of grey.

I did not say the double standard was applied by women only. In fact, I specified that both men and women apply it. The fact that a guy wrote it makes no difference.

All I'm saying is there's no outcry because it's written by a man. It's not a statement that men can't/don't get raped, it's not subversive action implying women should dominate men, it's merely a guy writing his fantasy.

It's not a double standard as the same thing happened in 50 shades of grey, and it wasn't a big issue because it was written by a woman. There's elements in 50 shades that can be considered misogynistic and sexist.

I'm not saying it's a good/bad thing, just that it's not a quite a double standard IMO.

I'd say you're giving too much importance to authorship in this case. The people who wrote the whole Lara Croft thing likely didn't mean for it to be misogynistic. In the end, it doesn't matter who wrote it, it matters what it depicts. I don't care if the writer was male or female, it's what is depicted in the final product that matters. And in that case, I'd say there is a double standard.

Generally when something is sexist and people make an issue of it, it's because what was written reinforces negative stereotypes/gender roles, and becomes exclusionary to the opposite sex. With Far Cry 3 I don't see it reinforcing any stereo types or excluding men.

I understand what you're saying, and agree to some extent. Gender of the author shouldn't affect the reaction to specific events, however I don't believe people should be restricted in what they feel they can write, especially if it's just their fantasy.

And really if the whole "Rape of Jason Brody" was actually an issue and men really felt objectified as a result, it wouldn't have taken three months for someone to make a thread about it and it wouldn't be 1 thread. It seems to me most of the "outcry" here is just a result of people looking for ammunition for the next "OMG This game objectifies woman" so they can act all high and mighty and say [snooty voice]"Men are objectified too"[/snooty voice]

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

You know why no one talked about it? Because no one gives a shit. Surprised?

You see, when gamers saw a part of that scene in trailers, they were looking forward to it. Shockingly [sarcasm], it turns out that a hot chick can't rape a male protagonist in a video game.
You have to be completely oblivious with how a male brain works in order to make a problem out of this. Call me crazy, but I don't think a guy can actually be raped by a hot chick. If you can get it up, especially without Viagra or something similar, it means that you want it. Unlike women, we are hardwired to constantly look for mating opportunities. It's our nature. So forget forget this retarded new age political correctness propaganda.

Whether you liked it or not, if you didn't give your consent, it's rape.

More new age political correctness bullshit. Penis is the one who gives consent. No erection, no consent. If you have an erection as a natural response to seeing your "rapist", there's all the consent you need. Your penis knows the truth.

How do you even present that case in a court of law without looking like a complete wuss? Just imagine how ridiculous it is:

"Your honor, she undressed me, and then she started sucking my dick until I climaxed. It was so horrible. I feel so violated."

Yeah, good luck getting a girlfriend after that, you wuss.

 

[goliath6711]

You have to be completely oblivious with how a male brain works in order to make a problem out of this. Call me crazy, but I don't think a guy can actually be raped by a hot chick. If you can get it up, especially without Viagra or something similar, it means that you want it. Unlike women, we are hardwired to constantly look for mating opportunities. It's our nature. So forget forget this retarded new age political correctness propaganda.

Okay, then force your brain to get your heart to stop beating for 5 seconds. If you can do that, then I'll believe this.