Favorite melee weapon in any game (or real life?)
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Don't get me wrong, you've got to be strong to begin with to wave that flanged mace around, but it's actually not difficult to learn to turn a poorly aimed swing into something dangerous with some circular momentum transfer. If you can imagine that your arm is the chain, and the mace is the ball, you learn to redirect the weight pretty effectively. I've been training to do it with an SCA broadsword, and I know a couple guys that can do it with SCA-legal maces. It's scary how quickly that thing is suddenly where you didn't expect it, because of the momentum carrying the weapon through an altered planar arc, rather than being stopped by brute force and muscle, then re-directed.Hussmann54 said:
You're right, though; you couldn't PAY me to use an actual chain-flail. I might consider a threshing flail, where the head is relatively small, provided the head only separated from the haft by a maximum of 2 links of chain.
That's him. Yeah, the Italian ones are quite good, we've been looking at Fiore's longsword manuals a bit, but there's people in the club who knows more about that than me, I know that there's a couple of Bolognese schools that takes up a couple of weapons, and I have even gotten a hand on some original (although photocopied and put on the internet) books from some of them. Both one-handed swords, longsword, quarterstaff and so on. Quite nice.Hussmann54 said:
We also have Capo Ferro on rapier that I have been reading up on for a while now. You have to fight with a one and a half-hander to fight good with another weapon in your off-hand, no? The (long)longswords we fight with wouldn't allow for an off-hand weapon I think.
Actually youre right about that last point. But the swords I have been working with are deemed "longswords" out of a weird circumstance. They are much shorter than a longsword should be, but are crafted to be the same style. The technique with which they are used is also similar to the long sword in its motions. The only difference is that they are primarily a single handed weapon.Moggs said:That's him. Yeah, the Italian ones are quite good, we've been looking at Fiore's longsword manuals a bit, but there's people in the club who knows more about that than me, I know that there's a couple of Bolognese schools that takes up a couple of weapons, and I have even gotten a hand on some original (although photocopied and put on the internet) books from some of them. Both one-handed swords, longsword, quarterstaff and so on. Quite nice.Hussmann54 said:
You have to fight with a one and a half-hander to fight good with another weapon in your off-hand, no? The (long)longswords we fight with wouldn't allow for an off-hand weapon I think.
It all stems from the history the italians had with weapons. Sometimes they are seen as "Not being able to make up their minds" in a sense of developing (what was at the time) outlandish an unusual styles.
That sounds very, very interesting, I haven't heard about techniques like that before, what kinds of sources do you use for this? Do you fight with steel weapons, or do you use wasters/SCA-gear for your work?Hussmann54 said:Actually youre right about that last point. But the swords I have been working with are deemed "longswords" out of a weird circumstance. They are much shorter than a longsword should be, but are crafted to be the same style. The technique with which they are used is also similar to the long sword in its motions. The only difference is that they are primarily a single handed weapon.Moggs said:That's him. Yeah, the Italian ones are quite good, we've been looking at Fiore's longsword manuals a bit, but there's people in the club who knows more about that than me, I know that there's a couple of Bolognese schools that takes up a couple of weapons, and I have even gotten a hand on some original (although photocopied and put on the internet) books from some of them. Both one-handed swords, longsword, quarterstaff and so on. Quite nice.Hussmann54 said:
You have to fight with a one and a half-hander to fight good with another weapon in your off-hand, no? The (long)longswords we fight with wouldn't allow for an off-hand weapon I think.
It all stems from the history the italians had with weapons. Sometimes they are seen as "Not being able to make up their minds" in a sense of developing (what was at the time) outlandish an unusual styles.
If I understand you correctly you use "two-handed techniques" with a one-handed weapon, yes? That would be interesting to try out. What about halb-schwert (er, half-sword?)-techniques? Do the Italians make use of any of those?
From what I've understood and read about the Italian masters, they more or less tried to make fencing a science of sorts, which many other masters thought a bit silly. At least I think it was the Italians, it could have been the Spaniards...
The arma uses both. But wooden wasters are more commonly used than a real blade.Moggs said:That sounds very, very interesting, I haven't heard about techniques like that before, what kinds of sources do you use for this? Do you fight with steel weapons, or do you use wasters/SCA-gear for your work?Hussmann54 said:Actually youre right about that last point. But the swords I have been working with are deemed "longswords" out of a weird circumstance. They are much shorter than a longsword should be, but are crafted to be the same style. The technique with which they are used is also similar to the long sword in its motions. The only difference is that they are primarily a single handed weapon.Moggs said:That's him. Yeah, the Italian ones are quite good, we've been looking at Fiore's longsword manuals a bit, but there's people in the club who knows more about that than me, I know that there's a couple of Bolognese schools that takes up a couple of weapons, and I have even gotten a hand on some original (although photocopied and put on the internet) books from some of them. Both one-handed swords, longsword, quarterstaff and so on. Quite nice.Hussmann54 said:
You have to fight with a one and a half-hander to fight good with another weapon in your off-hand, no? The (long)longswords we fight with wouldn't allow for an off-hand weapon I think.
It all stems from the history the italians had with weapons. Sometimes they are seen as "Not being able to make up their minds" in a sense of developing (what was at the time) outlandish an unusual styles.
If I understand you correctly you use "two-handed techniques" with a one-handed weapon, yes? That would be interesting to try out. What about halb-schwert (er, half-sword?)-techniques? Do the Italians make use of any of those?
From what I've understood and read about the Italian masters, they more or less tried to make fencing a science of sorts, which many other masters thought a bit silly. At least I think it was the Italians, it could have been the Spaniards...
As for halbschwert, that is what the Italians kind of had in mind when they started to meddle with technique and tool combinations. Remember the Roman Gladius and Spatha? well those remnants of the empire remained in the region. The italians wanted to try and use new foreign styles and experiment but still hold on to what they knew had worked in the past.
Yea the "renaissance" was happening way before most people think (The "Italian Renaissance" recognized in all the history books just happens to be when other countries caught on) and in more ways than people imagine it did. They tried to expand new thought into as many parts of life as possible. War was included, and if war could be considered a science or an art, then they believed that it could be expanded just like, for instance, art with many styles and techniques that were not "created" but had simply not been tried before. This is what cause such experimentation like with the aforementioned two hand technique with a one hand sword.
And the Spaniards also had a thing for innovation in sword fighting. Although it wasnt as big and endeavor as neither is it as recognized as the Italians contribution.
The Ubersaw.Hussmann54 said:
Just because. It's an ubersaw. You can kill a soldier with it, and the soldier is armed with a ROCKET LAUNCHER.
We're training mostly with steel weapons, it's hard on the wooden wasters to hit steel bucklers I think. Someone was talking about getting nylon wasters, anything you've tried and can comment on?Hussmann54 said:The arma uses both. But wooden wasters are more commonly used than a real blade.Moggs said:That sounds very, very interesting, I haven't heard about techniques like that before, what kinds of sources do you use for this? Do you fight with steel weapons, or do you use wasters/SCA-gear for your work?Hussmann54 said:Actually youre right about that last point. But the swords I have been working with are deemed "longswords" out of a weird circumstance. They are much shorter than a longsword should be, but are crafted to be the same style. The technique with which they are used is also similar to the long sword in its motions. The only difference is that they are primarily a single handed weapon.Moggs said:That's him. Yeah, the Italian ones are quite good, we've been looking at Fiore's longsword manuals a bit, but there's people in the club who knows more about that than me, I know that there's a couple of Bolognese schools that takes up a couple of weapons, and I have even gotten a hand on some original (although photocopied and put on the internet) books from some of them. Both one-handed swords, longsword, quarterstaff and so on. Quite nice.Hussmann54 said:
You have to fight with a one and a half-hander to fight good with another weapon in your off-hand, no? The (long)longswords we fight with wouldn't allow for an off-hand weapon I think.
It all stems from the history the italians had with weapons. Sometimes they are seen as "Not being able to make up their minds" in a sense of developing (what was at the time) outlandish an unusual styles.
If I understand you correctly you use "two-handed techniques" with a one-handed weapon, yes? That would be interesting to try out. What about halb-schwert (er, half-sword?)-techniques? Do the Italians make use of any of those?
From what I've understood and read about the Italian masters, they more or less tried to make fencing a science of sorts, which many other masters thought a bit silly. At least I think it was the Italians, it could have been the Spaniards...
As for halbschwert, that is what the Italians kind of had in mind when they started to meddle with technique and tool combinations. Remember the Roman Gladius and Spatha? well those remnants of the empire remained in the region. The italians wanted to try and use new foreign styles and experiment but still hold on to what they knew had worked in the past.
Yea the "renaissance" was happening way before most people think (The "Italian Renaissance" recognized in all the history books just happens to be when other countries caught on) and in more ways than people imagine it did. They tried to expand new thought into as many parts of life as possible. War was included, and if war could be considered a science or an art, then they believed that it could be expanded just like, for instance, art with many styles and techniques that were not "created" but had simply not been tried before. This is what cause such experimentation like with the aforementioned two hand technique with a one hand sword.
And the Spaniards also had a thing for innovation in sword fighting. Although it wasnt as big and endeavor as neither is it as recognized as the Italians contribution.
Well, when you say it, I imagine they would keep the original traditions somewhat. If it worked for the Romans, it should work on a later date as well. From what I've gathered, I've seen more swords with a point for stabbing than in other country's models, or at least more early on, and I guess that a short pointy sword would be more effective at piercing vulnerable places in armors than a long one, even when using halbschwert, and that was what the gladius were, right? A short sword ade for stabbing when the spear was broken. But that's what experimenting and manual-training are for I guess. But even so, only the rich people who could afford to train under a fencing master, and also the sword were always a secondary weapon after axe and a handy club. Even more so when polearms came into play on the battlefield. More effective to give blunt trauma to a man in a can than to try and cut him out of there.
But the renaissance is an Italian "concept" also, isn't it? Going back on the ancient glorious Roman ways and so on. Italian medieval history isn't what I know best I guess, must read up on that... It's not that strange that clever inventions and fast advantages in science happens in the time of war. You alwas have to be on top of the other bastards to win over them. Someone gets the idea to make hardened steel suits for rich warriors to wear to make them almost invulnerable, then someone else must come up with something to counter that with the next type of weapon. After all, blackpowder is the only thing that really effectively countered plate armor.
i think my favorite weapon would be a tree that i can carry with a pissed off cat on the top. Maybe a few stucked frisbees too. Too bad its not in a game.
The Incinerate plasmid in Bioshock is my favorite weapon in a game. Instant kill with the slicers.
The Incinerate plasmid in Bioshock is my favorite weapon in a game. Instant kill with the slicers.
All you need to ask yourself is "What would Gordon Freeman Do?", and then the crowbar is the clear choice.
my cock... or Gordon Freeman's cock... but all in all it comes down to the red crowbar
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damn! i was ninjad the same minute!MurderousToaster said:
