"(the only innocents at risk of incarceration were those who had a serious - but not 100% - chance of committing the crime in question)"Asita said:I fail to see how Minority Report supports that message. The system in place worked spectacularly and - at least as presented in the film - likely had a lower false conviction rate than real life does due to the nature of the system (the only innocents at risk of incarceration were those who had a serious - but not 100% - chance of committing the crime in question) and very little in the story could be put on the heads of the officers in Precrime, making "a message about what happens when the police get too much power and overreach too far" a very poorly supported message. How desperation born from the best of intentions can lead to terrible decisions? Yes. How much personal freedom is worth giving up for protection? Yes. Questioning what, if any, sacrifices (real and/or potential) are worth making in our efforts to stomp out crime? Yes. The need to vet even what we believe to be near certain truths? Yes. The need to judge our methods based off of whether we'd feel them fair if we were the ones they were employed against? Hell yes. A warning against the police getting too much power? Not so much.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:Minority Report is a good one, with a message about what happens when the police get too much power and overreach too far. Especially with the morality relating to punishing someone for a crime they haven't committed yet. The message that apparently got dropped was: The idea punishing someone for a crime they'll commit, instead of preventing the crime from happening, is obviously stupidity at it's height.
Respectfully, that explanation sounds like a reach to me as much as it would to describe Minority Report as a movie about the dangers of fascism. For all that while these are all at least plausibly symptomatic of that subject, the core issue remains pretty unaddressed. Similar to an interpretation of the entire film being nothing more than the machinations and hallucinations of Anderton's grieving, drug-addled mind, the interpretation is possible, but it seems less like the film explores that theme than it does a case of "if you look at it from the right angle...". Take police corruption as a case in point. Not particularly well represented. The number of people even aware that it was possible game the system before the big climax could be counted on one hand, and the police overwhelmingly acted as we'd expect servants of the people to act, even if the laws they worked under are morally questionable. What we saw was the way a single rotten apple can spoil the bushel. What I'm trying to say is that it feels more like an interpretation projected onto the film rather than one presented by it.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:Basically all the things you listed are the effects of police overreach, I.E. living in an police state where thought crime is imminently punishable. Punishable in a really inhumane way too... Being put into stasis forever? That's a fate worse than death. Also it highlights corruption, because they intentionally buried the Minority Report, the titular event of the movie, to hide the fact that the system is flawed. Also as part of police politicking, corruption, and overreach... The system can be influenced and fooled under the correct circumstances. Because it means that the police could frame anyone up, at anytime, for a reason other than that person potentially committing a crime. Also take into account that being able to arrest someone for a crime they have not yet committed, no matter how strong or compelling the evidence and suspicion, is an egregious overreach. If only because no crime has yet actually been committed, that's a fundamental violation of someone's rights, especially when we're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. At least in places that don't employ the Napoleonic Code.Asita said:I fail to see how Minority Report supports that message. The system in place worked spectacularly and - at least as presented in the film - likely had a lower false conviction rate than real life does due to the nature of the system (the only innocents at risk of incarceration were those who had a serious - but not 100% - chance of committing the crime in question) and very little in the story could be put on the heads of the officers in Precrime, making "a message about what happens when the police get too much power and overreach too far" a very poorly supported message. How desperation born from the best of intentions can lead to terrible decisions? Yes. How much personal freedom is worth giving up for protection? Yes. Questioning what, if any, sacrifices (real and/or potential) are worth making in our efforts to stomp out crime? Yes. The need to vet even what we believe to be near certain truths? Yes. The need to judge our methods based off of whether we'd feel them fair if we were the ones they were employed against? Hell yes. A warning against the police getting too much power? Not so much.
I've read a few papers on Battle Royale, most of which seem to suggest that it's an incredibly on-the-nose satire about the Japanese education system and the terrifying level of pressure it places on very young children to compete with each other for school places. The kids in the film are actually depicted at being of the age when Japanese kids (at the time, I'm not sure about today) took the school placement exam, which effectively determined the entire course of their lives.shteev said:I might be stretching it a bit here but Battle Royale really stood out for me in this respect. It came at a time when (certainly in the UK) young people, especially 'hoodies', were being demonised extensively by the media and blamed for problems in society that it really wasn't their job to fix, and this film provided a very graphic demonstration of the outcomes of dealing with them in a confrontational manner rather than engaging with them.