FBI Executes Search Warrants on 40 Anonymous Members

[Orcus The Ultimate]

Since when does the FBI take care of International hackers/matters ? shouldn't they investigate on corrupt politians and lobby's instead ?

 

[Mrsoupcup]

A ddos attack floods a router, basically like clogging a drain and preventing said computer or server from connecting with the internet. The reason experienced hackers avoid this method is because there is no way to mask a ddos on a proxy. It's like firing an RPG at your neighbors house from behind your fence. You'll just blow up your fence. Now if someone had used a botnet then tracking the individual is near impossible.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Gotta love the replies of why aren't they doing other ""things""?

Because you mean to say that the FBI dropped every other case, every other court proceeding..etc and the entire FBI concentrated on just this case right?

And the common sense answer to stop the poor discussion angle is buried and ignored by people that can't think of anything but, "aaww the poor little guys got smashed, by the evil government hand."

I'm sorry your post got buried William.

I'm banking on that people are ignoring the actual size of the FBI. Though possibly, there are people out there that think that the FBI is made up of six over worked and underpaid people that love to step on the little people to make themselves feel better.

Come on people, the FBI is made up of thousands of people that work on thousands of cases everyday. They didn't let some nose eating killer run free because they rather to stomp on some "poor young people". Oh noes, think of the children!

Now there are times when I found Anonymous's actions just, like hunting down people that kill pets for fun.

But lately, I have felt that these Anonymous members all need a boot to the head.

Really Anonymous? Defending Wikileaks, a place that reveals government secrets that will get fine upstanding citizens killed.

If Anonymous is going to defend stuff like this, I say stamp the little guys out. Show them if they defend bad things, they get burned.

 

[Blind Sight]

I am reminded of the hydra of Greek myth...cut off one head, and two more take its place.

Fight on, Anonymous, although I don't agree with your methods, I do agree with giving Western governments a good kick in the pants, especially if they try to slowly strip people's rights away or cater to big business. Make them fear us, for we are mighty.

 

[s0denone]

As off-topic and pointless as it may be, just have to point out:

Scotland Yard

English counterparts

I don't know why I did that. I'm sorry, I'll leave this thread alone now...

Scotland Yard is the UK version of the FBI. So the people that work there are British, Welsh, Scot, and Northern Irish.

I think that was the point.
"English" doesn't really apply to Welsh, Scot or Northern Irish folk.

I think the expression MartianWarMachine was looking for is "British". You should note that in your post, you write "British" and then follow it with "Welsh", "Scot" and "Nrth.Irish" - those are all British.

What they aren't, however, is "English", which is the problem

No Welshman, Scotsman or Irishman in their right mind would call themselves by that name.

 

[LadyRhian]

Well, this will certainly make fewer "script kiddies" willing to do what other Anon's want. Now, they know they could get caught. So next time, they'll think, "This isn't without risk for me. I could get caught and go to jail." And let's say the next time this happens, some more of these script kiddy hackers are caught. How many do you think will be willing to take the risk then?

This is girdling the tree. The more times DDOS attacks happen and hackers/script kiddies get caught participating in these attacks, the fewer will be inclined to do so because of the risk. Leading to less effective DDOS attempts and fewer people willing to engage in the offense/crime. I think the FBI is being extraordinarily canny, helping wipe out support for this kind of attack (even if only among the bored or ineffective) and making future attempts at DDOS attacks weaker.

If the FBI keep it up, they could wipe these attacks down to the point where the people they catch are the main ones behind the push to do a DDOS attack in the first place. I honestly don't see this ending well for the actual hackers that make up those responsible.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well America really wants Assange in jail, no wonder they go against supporters.

Oddly enough, they're not going against the guy who used DDoS to shut down Wikileaks, which only goes to show how concerned they are with DDOS attacks...

 

[yamitami]

They did something illegal and have been arrested for it. It's a simple equation guys.

 

[Jumplion]

Why stop child molestation when they could be tracking murderers? Why track murderers when they could be tracking mass murderers? Why track mass murderers when they could be fighting Cthulhu's entrance in to our dimension? I say the full force of all goverment agencies should be tracking down the worst offenders and only those, if the local police can't do it the criminals earned their freedom.

Make the jump from using a script-kiddy utility to child molestation and it quickly becomes apparent that you're not really addressing the basic problem here.
The FBI is wasting its resources on stupid kids. Call their parents. Deal with real crimes (yeah, child molestation and Cthulhu and all that jazz) with all time time and effort left over.

Just to emphasize: I'd rather compare using LOIC with loitering around the corner store, or perhaps illegally burning a bit of trash on the sidewalk.
I'm pretty sure the FBI don't usually deal with that kind of stuff, but I could be wrong.

If these "kids" can gather together in a semi-organized cyber-"vigilantes" (really, depends on what they're doing at the time) group and are smart enough to know how to take down various, secured, government websites through DDoS attacks, hacks, among other things, I'd hardly call them "stupid" and one could easily consider them "dangerous".

Really, Anonymous is unique specimen.

yes but with organizations like this stomping them out only creates more of them. Going after the dumb script kiddies is a waste of time because there will always be enough of them to do these attacks because" the goverments r evils and i has to stops them33r3as" and" I is r hacker pro I using my moms computer with no proxy they wont findsz meeeee"

You mean, dumb script kiddies who bring down secured government sites, hack various websites for their agendas, frequently post child pornography, harrass 11-year-old girls [http://www.cracked.com/article_18950_9-major-stories-everyone-got-wrong-this-year.html] (#6, though take Cracked with a grain of salt (there's a joke in that...)), and generally abuse their anonymity to make certain people's lives hell? Yes, they are certainly just little kids who think they've got the world in their hands.

Seriously, if you fuck them, they fuck you. I wouldn't underestimate their prowess, but that's just me.

 

[Catalyst6]

But it seems that the loosely organized group of cyber-freedom fighters has bit off more than it can chew by messing with the federal government of the US, even if somewhat indirectly. Either that, or these so-called hackers shouldn't have used an application like LOIC to attack major corporations without properly masking where they were located.

As many of you pointed out on the story yesterday, it's sad that what these individuals did is even considered hacking.

That's the sad thing, these idiots get a copy of the LOIC and a proxy and think that they can take over the internet. Not so.

It's debatable whether these people could be classified as Anonymous, really. Yes, yes, I've heard the rhetoric before, I know that the group is supposed to be "everyone and no one, etc.". However, to say that the FBI is going after "Anonymous memebers" is the same thing as saying that you're going to ear-tag all the geeks in the world. It's a value judgment. Unfortunately, the FBI could use this as a springboard to go after anyone that has used the name "Anon" or associated with such, which includes a LOT of sites.

EDIT: Not to say that I'm really defending the lot, gods no. I realize that most of these "h4x0rz" are idiots and should get what's coming to them. But quite a few... *ahem* reputable sites and well-meaning people have flown that flag before; it might get them shot down.

 

[Jumplion]

Why stop child molestation when they could be tracking murderers? Why track murderers when they could be tracking mass murderers? Why track mass murderers when they could be fighting Cthulhu's entrance in to our dimension? I say the full force of all goverment agencies should be tracking down the worst offenders and only those, if the local police can't do it the criminals earned their freedom.

Make the jump from using a script-kiddy utility to child molestation and it quickly becomes apparent that you're not really addressing the basic problem here.
The FBI is wasting its resources on stupid kids. Call their parents. Deal with real crimes (yeah, child molestation and Cthulhu and all that jazz) with all time time and effort left over.

Just to emphasize: I'd rather compare using LOIC with loitering around the corner store, or perhaps illegally burning a bit of trash on the sidewalk.
I'm pretty sure the FBI don't usually deal with that kind of stuff, but I could be wrong.

If these "kids" can gather together in a semi-organized cyber-"vigilantes" (really, depends on what they're doing at the time) group and are smart enough to know how to take down various, secured, government websites through DDoS attacks, hacks, among other things, I'd hardly call them "stupid" and one could easily consider them "dangerous".

Really, Anonymous is unique specimen.

yes but with organizations like this stomping them out only creates more of them. Going after the dumb script kiddies is a waste of time because there will always be enough of them to do these attacks because" the goverments r evils and i has to stops them33r3as" and" I is r hacker pro I using my moms computer with no proxy they wont findsz meeeee"

You mean, dumb script kiddies who bring down secured government sites, hack various websites for their agendas, frequently post child pornography, harrass 11-year-old girls [http://www.cracked.com/article_18950_9-major-stories-everyone-got-wrong-this-year.html] (#6, though take Cracked with a grain of salt (there's a joke in that...)), and generally abuse their anonymity to make certain people's lives hell? Yes, they are certainly just little kids who think they've got the world in their hands.

Seriously, if you fuck them, they fuck you. I wouldn't underestimate their prowess, but that's just me.

you give these people WAYYY to much credit what they do takes no skill at all from almost all of them. power in numbers is the only thing 99% of them has going form them. ALl they do is run a program given to them by the one guy that knows what hes doing and the websites get shut down.any websites could be brough down this way due to the sheer amout of dumbass script kiddies the one guy has at his disposal.

as for the child pron i guess that does take skill just not the kind you ever want to have.

Eh, I still wouldn't fuck with them, simple as that. Strength in numbers is a pretty good strength when those numbers start calling your home number endlessly, spam your e-mails with child pornography, and send you free pizzas to your address.