"Feeding Kids Meat is Child Abuse"

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similar.squirrel

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eels05 said:
Next step: gather an army of dreadlocked University students to at McDonalds' all over the world to throw a buckets of pig blood on children.
All of whom will transpire to have latent telekinetic powers, causing the greatest pig-related loss of human life since H1N1.

OT: I.. I sort of agree. Meat isn't great for you [human digestive system too long, meat rots, releases carcinogens] and the nutrients can be found elsewhere. Plus we are going to have to wean ourselves off the stuff as a species, as it's an extremely wasteful method of getting energy.
 

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Hi guys. Was out looking for articles on diet when I came by this thread. At first I got the popcorn and leaned back waiting to be entertained by a bunch of gamers whom everybody knows have bad diets (PETA threads always end in angry diet related shouting). But I was supriced how well informed people seem to be.

A couple of things to ponder;

On the human digestive system. It depends on how you look at it. We are omnivore in the sense that we are a non obligate carnivore. We can survive on less dense foods such as greens and our very small appendix plays part of this mechanism. "Survive"

An interesting take on this: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison.html

The B12 thing seem to be the favorite facerub on vegans and such. The reality is that we produce a lot of it. The bad news is that it happens when the food is on its way out and nothing much is absorbed. We can do what many many herbivores will do to get access to their....*yuck*... or, we can eat something that contains plenty.

The next time a preachy vegan tell you about how animal keep destroy the world. show them this; http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/03/operation-hope-meat-is-medicine-for.html

Tell them that their soy came from the same field that helped produce McBurgers, and that what really destroys the planet is 'mono agriculture'. Monsanto loves vegans. Big agro loves the idea that we all eat plants because it yelds a higher return.

Humans can live really well on an all meat diet. The body adapts and once it realise it has easy access to all the energy dense foodstuff (meat and animal products)it wants, magic starts to happen. I am myself almost entirely carnivore and has been for a long time. Most of it raw too (it tastes better like that. All human carnivores i know started with cooked, then rare, red, blue and finally settled for mostly raw. The exception is eating with others. most would be disgusted and there is no reason to offend them or require special treatment because of my own personal choices. Also; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlZ3kuQT95g).

Dont believe the hype. Saturated fat is good for you. Refined carbohydrates and unstable "seed" oils are absolutely not. They are not even 'food' (Unless youre a bird with some mean chemistry skills).

Oil is fine if you can cold press it and use it wihout chemical filtering. That limits you to Olives and coconuts pretty much. Coincidentally. Those are good eatin'!

etc... There is nothing that PETA say that are in line with reality. And their satelite organisations like Physicians for the responsible use of medicine and that whole bunch of asshats Dean Ornish, McDougalls ,et all.. are animal rights activists first and foremost. Deceptive ones at that.

The China Study is hog shite of the highest magnitude and so misleading it is bordering the illegal (dishonest science). Milk causes cancer it says. Sure, if you feed bovine casein isolate to rats to the amount of 20% of their daily energy intake.

When you start to pick into vegan arguments you will eventually come to realise that they are one big echnochamber of precisely these same "vegan doctors" and various satelite organisation sprouting eachothers lies and halfarsed 'studys'. All of which only rarely openly admit to whom they really are or what their agenda is. The problem is that they are actually fairly succesfull at influencing policy making through lobbyism and as such should be treated as a subversive terrorist movement that abuse the political system to their own ends. No different from the "big bizz" they have as target enemy (and which apparently doesnt include big agriculture like monsatan)

In good health
H.C

Tl:Dr

Fuck Peta. eat saturated fats!
 

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Also, if you are worried about meat build up in your guts have a glass of guava or pineapple juice with food, they contain a nice little enzyme that breaks down meats a treat!
 

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Ampersand said:
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Killing animals to eat them is wrong, they are living orgasm.

And so are plants. lolwut, people are weird
I realize that this is probably a joke comment based on the comical miss-spelling of organism but I feel i'd be remiss not to ask. You do know that you are a living organism too right? Do you not think you have more of a right not to be killed and eaten then a plant does? If you don't know that harvesting a plant and killing an animal aren't the same thing I'd be concerned that you might be a sociopath.
I know, I know...
 

Homo Carnivorous

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You are entirely correct. But you wont. Since meat is turned into a sludge and absorbed in a matter of a few hours and whatever is left (very little and with an inoffensive smell) is through you in 8. Most people have this idea of meat being stuck in the gut from some eddie murphy movie. I wouldnt take "cop 2" in an eddie murphy movie as my primary source of information on how the human digestive system works. Vegs on the other hand. We are very ineffective at getting nutrients and energy from them and have no mechanism of breaking down cellulose. Fiber is not 'natures broom' it is just about entirely useless to us (unless you ask grain producers and their pocket scientists) etc...
 

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hmmm, that burger looks pretty good. mcdonalds could change the words and be like "just look how happy this child is. don't you want you're children to be happy also? get some om noms then."
seriously, i could go for some mcdonalds right about now
 

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similar.squirrel said:
eels05 said:
Next step: gather an army of dreadlocked University students to at McDonalds' all over the world to throw a buckets of pig blood on children.
All of whom will transpire to have latent telekinetic powers, causing the greatest pig-related loss of human life since H1N1.

OT: I.. I sort of agree. Meat isn't great for you [human digestive system too long, meat rots, releases carcinogens] and the nutrients can be found elsewhere. Plus we are going to have to wean ourselves off the stuff as a species, as it's an extremely wasteful method of getting energy.
i don't think we should stop completely, while it is wasteful(i learned that yesterday in biology, is this ms. woods? are you trying to get me to study?) i still love me some burgers. i could go for one right about now. it's not going to kill us as a species if we continue to eat meat, just include more vegetables and fruits in there, and we'll be fine
 

klaynexas3

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GRYPHOM said:
Boba Frag said:
The Apothecarry said:
Meat is murder. Sweet, sweet, delicious murder.

We evolved to become carnivores, not herbivores. It's not an opinion: It's SCIENCE.
I'm not sure about you, but speaking for myself, not everything I eat is meat...

And some fact checking before you scream Science! at people would be nice.
Homo sapiens are in fact omnivores, not carnivores.
Humanity evolved to be able to process both meat based and plant based foods.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_humans_omnivores_or_herbivores

But back to the OP- I see what Peta are trying to do, I just think they're being incredibly militant and obnoxious about it.
Education, not moralising will change how animals are treated.

EDIT:

I see I was ninja'ed! Disregard my post then :p
http://www.google.com/search?q=SCIENCE&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&client=firefox-a#q=SCIENCE&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=vid:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d3a06b8f617e5e91

SCIENCE!
which video is it? i'm on a school computer, and the only one that i saw that worked was the bill nye one. gotta love some bill nye

bill bill bill bill bill nye the science guy!
 

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Well then we've been child abusers for around two million years.

Deriving your children of the nutrients and taste of meat is child abuse. You gonna force your kid to eat broccoli?
 

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klaynexas3 said:
similar.squirrel said:
eels05 said:
Next step: gather an army of dreadlocked University students to at McDonalds' all over the world to throw a buckets of pig blood on children.
All of whom will transpire to have latent telekinetic powers, causing the greatest pig-related loss of human life since H1N1.

OT: I.. I sort of agree. Meat isn't great for you [human digestive system too long, meat rots, releases carcinogens] and the nutrients can be found elsewhere. Plus we are going to have to wean ourselves off the stuff as a species, as it's an extremely wasteful method of getting energy.
I don't think we should stop completely, while it is wasteful(I learned that yesterday in biology, is this ms. woods? are you trying to get me to study?) I still love me some burgers. I could go for one right about now. it's not going to kill us as a species if we continue to eat meat, just include more vegetables and fruits in there, and we'll be fine
Get of the internet, boy. Those Punnet squares won't map themselves.

Anyway.. The accepted trend is for affluent individuals to eat more meat. You can look up the statistics for China with regard to increased meat-consumption among the new middle-class. This will happen to more and more developing countries, which will increase the demand exponentially. This in turn will lead to deforestation to create grazing land, and that's bad for a plethora of reasons.

Also, we are already using a massive amount of crops to feed animals; again, look up the statistics on American corn usage.
This is hugely wasteful, as the majority of that corn is fit for human consumption, and the land that's used to cultivate it could be used to grow a variety of different foodstuffs. Monoculture is a bad thing to begin with, as it wreaks all kinds of havoc with established ecosystems.
I'm not advocating complete abstinence, but as a species, we really need to cut down on meat. That, or get over this irrational fear of cloned meat. Destroying entire ecosystems is as much 'playing God' as growing steaks in a laboratory.

/lecture
 

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joshthor said:
the science of my fist. it would be a taunt. i have no science to back it up. all i know is i have 3 freinds who are vegetarians and they are all protien deficient and have to take pills for it. also: how many ufc fighters do you know that are vegetarian? does the army serve its troops exclusively salad? im just saying i havent met very many strong vegetarians.
You can compensate for not eating meat with various diet choices (http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm) but it isn't for everyone.
However, meat is not the be all and end all when it comes to protein.
 

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and of course stopping children making their own decisions and making them all be vegetarians isnt child abuse.
 

RazzleDazzle102

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telling your kid lies is child abuse.
Mom: Tommy you shouldn't eat that piece of steak
Tommy: Why mom?
Mom: Because the TV said If I do you'll get fat and end up with a useless job and fatty for a wife who doesnt love you and goes out every Friday to blow your best friend.
Tommy: ........... is that why you left Dad?
 

Homo Carnivorous

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klaynexas3 said:
it is wasteful
The method used atm. is wasteful. Graziers can happily find food in areas in which we cannot grow crops. With the added benefit that handled properly they can revitalise land.

http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/03/operation-hope-meat-is-medicine-for.html

it ammunts to propaganda to keep repeating the same old tired lies to youth. Talk about abuse.

just include more vegetables and fruits in there, and we'll be fine
why exactly? one is practically indigestible by us and the other has been selectively bred to contain as much sugar as possible. Sugar is sugar.

meat is not the be all and end all when it comes to protein.
true in part http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein
 

Homo Carnivorous

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but as a species, we really need to cut down on meat. That, or get over this irrational fear of cloned meat.
Or we need to stop allowing financial interrests to decide something as important as our source of food. Why would you give corn or soy to a grazier in the first place? For money. You can fatten them up faster in a cow factory that way. There is absolutely no reason that graziers or pigs (essentially garbage cans that says oink) should be a strain on the environment. Cows turn food humans dont want into food humans do want went left to do that. Pigs turn humans garbage into food humans want. Why would we feed either with food we want to begin with when one is badly suited for it and the other doesnt care what its fed. The problem is the method. We need to change and then there is plenty of meat for those that wants it. and best of all. where meat goes, crops can grow later. So might i suggest a system in which you rotate between the 2 rather than cutting down on the best food there is?
 

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This is why nobody takes PETA seriously. They keep putting out stupid crap like THIS. They kill animals in massive quantities, and almost nobody calls them out on it.

Steve: I must've had a TERRIBLE childhood then!
 

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Homo Carnivorous said:
klaynexas3 said:
it is wasteful
The method used atm. is wasteful. Graziers can happily find food in areas in which we cannot grow crops. With the added benefit that handled properly they can revitalise land.

http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/03/operation-hope-meat-is-medicine-for.html

it ammunts to propaganda to keep repeating the same old tired lies to youth. Talk about abuse.

just include more vegetables and fruits in there, and we'll be fine
why exactly? one is practically indigestible by us and the other has been selectively bred to contain as much sugar as possible. Sugar is sugar.

meat is not the be all and end all when it comes to protein.
true in part http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein
i meant wasteful in the terms of gaining energy from our foods. the energy from plants goes to the animals, and the animals only get 10% of the energy from the plants, then whatever eats the animal gets 10% of that animals energy. so at best you end up getting 1/10th of the energy you'd get from straight up eating your fruits and vegetables. and that's best case scenario. anyway, i'm not saying give up on eating meet, i was simply letting another person know that i understood his stance on the situation, but that we should still continue eating meat, but maybe just cut down a little.