Felt: A "Feminist Superhero Movie"

[Redryhno]

I'm still utterly shocked that anyone is mad about playable female soccer players in a FIFA game. It's the same fucking game every year, be thankful they are adding something for once. Also, how does not throwing a hiss fit about it make one a femenist?!

Doesn't surprise me.

A majority of the complainers are probably dudebros who, when asked, wouldn't know the difference Bend Em and Beckham and would discard soccer as a bunch of 'fairies' flying around a field chasing a ball.

Then consider Football hypermasculine for those same things.

I'd like to note, if you meet any of these people irl and they try to say they don't like the diversity because they care about the sport ask them this:
'So you care about soccer?'
-Yes?-
'K, name 5 soccer players whose names don't em in Beckham'
If they have to whip out their phone and look, disregard everything they say.

(A quick note to any confused EU/Non-Americans out there; we've reversed the names of football and soccer. For no reason. God bless America.)

Right....it has to be they're not real fans, not that they like the sport and just don't know any names really...Didn't we go through that phase a few years ago with "fake geek girls" or some such? And it was deemed unacceptable to do this type of thing then? Or did I not get the memo that it's ok because they're deemed dudebros?

 

[DeaDRabbiT]

Dude, your opener is pretty much you admitting that things mentioned next to the word `feminism` make you angry, so maybe.... take a break from getting angry at feminism?
Like, you were gonna moan about female characters in FIFA? Dude? Wtf.

As for the movie, even the article, while using the click-baity `feminist superhero` title, ID's the film as a `psychological thriller`.

It certainly looks more horror-ish to me. But also, not really worth getting all worked up about. Those movies are supposed to be uncomfortable and weird, that's kinda the point.

I kinda wonder if it's anti-feminism?

If you listen to the monologue any sane person, male of female is going to say "this ***** is fucking crazy" not, "You know what, she's right, men do get everything they want because they have a dick"

So if they are truly going for this sort of female positive, male hostile vibe, (and judging by the first review blurb by male feminazi Devin Faraci, it probably is) they can enjoy a cult release as a radical feminist manifesto, and general shaming in the public square, if anyone (that's not a member of the target audience) even talks about it at all.

DISCLAIMER: I absolutely detest liberal, pseudo-intellectual American feminists, everything they stand for, and the way the present their "messages"

PS: I plan to observe this film FOR SCIENCE!

 

[[Kira Must Die]]

Yeah, that about as much a superhero movie as Ms. 45.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Firstly, superhero films can include films which reference the superhero genre, even in ways which are ironic, mocking or derisory. "Watchmen" is probably the most archetypal example. None of the characters in watchmen are actually heroes, and that's the joke. I'm a bit skeptical of the usage here, because to me wearing a costume and having an "alter ego" is not necessarily a superhero reference, but marketers gonna' market and journalists gonna' journalist.

Secondly. Alternative or film circuit films almost always have misrepresentative trailers, especially American trailers, because often they don't adhere particularly well to genre conventions and audiences don't like that. Often, American marketers will just assign a genre and adapt the trailer to it by throwing in some appropriate music and mashing scenes together. It doesn't help that "thriller" is the most meaningless term in the film marketing vocabulary, it can mean anything from "pretentious action movie" to "horror movie that's actually good".

Thirdly, assuming dick chopping is even in the movie, do you want me to describe some of the things I've seen happen to female sexual organs in films? Seriously, film is one of the few forms of media in which we're really free to explore all kinds of weird issues, obsessions and fears about bodies. That can be done badly, but ultimately it's a good thing, not a bad thing.

Also:

Being the eldest sibling and only boy, when my parents get old I will pretty much be responsible for my sisters' futures. Feminism should be my best friend.

Have you considered that making feminism your best friend would require you to allow your sisters to be responsible for their own futures, or at least to take that as the ultimate goal?

 

[Phasmal]

I think I made this thread a bit too hastily. I don't hate feminism of course, or at least my simple probably naive idea of what feminism is, I have no idea what the second or third or whatever wave it currently is in now. I am just real tired of seeing all the bullshit that the radical feminists, most recently Ms. Mustafa, put out. This has lead to me seeing something feminism related and automatically reacting to it with cynicism and never really thinking it through. Hence, the way I was skeptical of the entire women in FIFA thing. It's somethings that's been bothering me for some time now. I realized that a few of the YouTubers I follow actually consider feminism, and not just the radical kind, to be wrong. I really don't want to turn out that way. Being the eldest sibling and only boy, when my parents get old I will pretty much be responsible for my sisters' futures. Feminism should be my best friend. But right when I got back into gaming the entire Feminism vs Gaming thing happened, and I got sucked up by it. I'm trying to get rid of that bias and be more open minded, but as this thread shows I am kind of struggling.

Ok, dude, but you do realise your post reads like `I was going to get mad about this thing that's slightly related to feminism that doesn't affect me in the slightest, but I realised that's counter-productive, now, watch me get mad about THIS thing that's slightly related to feminism that doesn't affect me in the slightest!`.

Also, how old are your sisters/ what country do you live in in which you would be expected to be responsible for the future of them?
If someone suggested that my oldest sibling was responsible for my future, that would be laughably absurd.

And honestly, if you are a dude and you don't want to discuss feminism in gaming- don't. It's not hard. More female gamers and more female playable characters is going to do literally jack to you, so if you don't want to be involved, do not.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Thirdly, assuming dick chopping is even in the movie, do you want me to describe some of the things I've seen happen to female sexual organs in films? Seriously, film is one of the few forms of media in which we're really free to explore all kinds of weird issues, obsessions and fears about bodies. That can be done badly, but ultimately it's a good thing, not a bad thing.

The film Antichrist with William Dafoe pops to mind for some reason here. Just thinking back to a certain scene still makes me wince to this day. I don't have those organs but it doesn't take much imagination to translate human sensations.
Anyhow, films like Hostel, Hard Candy and that one true story about the two German guys who came to a strange "arrangement" have covered this sort of body mutilation before. Hostel being the worst offender for pointlessness.
Meh, throw the word "feminism" into a piece of work now and that's all the excuse for an internet contoversy people need these days.

 

[VanQ]

The "feminist art" that I've seen left me wishing that brain bleach was an actual thing. Not so sure I want to start delving into "feminist movies" because of that.

 

[Twintix]

It's literally about an abused woman with PTSD or something who goes out into the woods cosplaying as men and possibly cutting their wieners off.

...WHAT?! What the FUCK does that have to do with FEMINISM?!

No, no, no, NO, NO! Just...please don't claim that this has anything to do with feminism, film makers. Please...mutilation is not somehow more OK because it's happening to a man. This doesn't sound like feminism, it sounds like a revenge fantasy. Granted, I didn't watch the trailer, (Seriously, that synopsis turned me off) so I might be getting it wrong, but if the trailer shows what I believe it sounds like it shows...Just, no. Don't. It has nothing to do with feminism or heroes. Mutilation is not a heroic act.

It's like the story of the woman who made yoghurt of her own vag-slime and the article called it "Feminist yoghurt". It's like, NO, that has nothing to do with feminism, that's just GROSS! It contains bacteria, our bodies get rid of it for a reason!

 

[Schadrach]

It's literally about an abused woman with PTSD or something who goes out into the woods cosplaying as men and possibly cutting their wieners off. Maybe I'm just a wimp, but it genuinely made me uncomfortable, as in it gave me butterflies in my stomach.

There's a show on WGN called Salem. You can guess the general concept for a period fantasy called Salem. One of the things that the witches in the series can do is control someone by inserting a familiar into them. In the first season this is done to Mercy Lewis and George Sibley, with the familiar being inserted orally. In the second season, Mercy has in turn taken to controlling several men this way, except instead of jamming it down their throat, she's been chopping off their dicks, and shoving the familiar in the hole. One of the first episodes involved her showing other witches her literal bag of dicks as evidence of all the men she's controlled.

Right....it has to be they're not real fans, not that they like the sport and just don't know any names really...Didn't we go through that phase a few years ago with "fake geek girls" or some such? And it was deemed unacceptable to do this type of thing then? Or did I not get the memo that it's ok because they're deemed dudebros?

It's not because they're deemed dudebros, but because they aren't women that it's OK. You see, the people who consider the most important thing is to consider women as individual people take anything anyone says about a woman as emblematic of how they perceive all women because of course they do, unless effort is made to make it absolutely clear that you are not in any way referencing any other woman that the specific one you are talking about in this instance, and do so each and every time a woman is mentioned (it's too hard to get offended otherwise).

The "feminist art" that I've seen left me wishing that brain bleach was an actual thing. Not so sure I want to start delving into "feminist movies" because of that.

There's a guy on my Steam friends list who likes to post "feminist art" that's really ridiculous or just plain awful because of how terrible and silly it can be. "Interior Semiotics" is pretty awful, for example. Or "Splat!"

It's like the story of the woman who made yoghurt of her own vag-slime and the article called it "Feminist yoghurt". It's like, NO, that has nothing to do with feminism, that's just GROSS! It contains bacteria, our bodies get rid of it for a reason!

Just one note: *ALL* Yoghurt contains bacteria, that's literally what makes it yoghurt.

 

[Twintix]

Just one note: *ALL* Yoghurt contains bacteria, that's literally what makes it yoghurt.

...Well yes, that's true. All soured milk products contain bacteria. But my point is that our bodies get rid of that slime for a reason, and I doubt it's to consume it again.

And it still has nothing to do with feminism.

 

[Fdzzaigl]

Looks like a pretty interesting film to be honest. A deconstruction of male hate caused by small incidents pushing a socially awkward girl over the edge, pretty neat and scary.

Nothing to do with feminism.

 

[baddude1337]

I'm still utterly shocked that anyone is mad about playable female soccer players in a FIFA game. It's the same fucking game every year, be thankful they are adding something for once. Also, how does not throwing a hiss fit about it make one a femenist?!

Doesn't surprise me.

A majority of the complainers are probably dudebros who, when asked, wouldn't know the difference Bend Em and Beckham and would discard soccer as a bunch of 'fairies' flying around a field chasing a ball.

Then consider Football hypermasculine for those same things.

I'd like to note, if you meet any of these people irl and they try to say they don't like the diversity because they care about the sport ask them this:
'So you care about soccer?'
-Yes?-
'K, name 5 soccer players whose names don't em in Beckham'
If they have to whip out their phone and look, disregard everything they say.

(A quick note to any confused EU/Non-Americans out there; we've reversed the names of football and soccer. For no reason. God bless America.)

People tend to instantly jump to the 'sexist' thing, but really there are issues with the current gen FIFA gameplay they are ignoring completely, which is what a lot of complaint comments are actually about, not the whole adding women in is bad thing. Hell, people have pointed out problems with the game and engine in the trailer.

 

[HardkorSB]

I took a few minutes to read about this thing:

The main actress is a real life abuse/rape victim.
She met the director at a club and they decided to cooperate and do "something".
She is weird and has created a lot of weird art (e.g. she made the costumes featured in the movie) and that "inspired" the director to shoot what was originally going to be a music video, then a documentary and then a movie.

Basically, the director found the woman "interesting" so he shot some footage with her, later trying to put it together into a cohesive narrative.
He's tackled a lot of topics in his work so I doubt he's some feminist activist, it's more like the feminists just looked at the production of the movie (because the authors of the articles linked in the OP haven't seen it yet) and decided that they're going to champion it as some "feminist superhero art piece".

 

[Johnny Impact]

Spoiler: Razor, anyone?

Never read this, but my understanding is that's her gig: "a bad man hurt me so now I dress like a BDSM hooker and fight bad men."
[img /]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x9/vandar_photo/316229-20654-123881-1-razor_super.jpg[/img]

I don't want to sound like I'm downplaying the significance or trauma of rape, but that's what I thought of. A comic book solution to real world problems.

Maybe the idea is there is really no way to solve the problem. One evil man had his fun and now she's stuck like that forever. Not enough support, no way to get in her brain and scoop out the bad bit, no outlet sufficient for that kind of pain and rage, no way to make it all right. She hides alone and it's not enough. She makes a super suit and it's not enough. She is compelled to spread her pain and rage back to its source. But she'll never be that girl again no matter how many men she hurts. Of course, that only increases her rage and drives her to further acts of strangeness in a spiral of self-destruction.

That strikes a chord with me. I'm interested.