Feminism: has it gone to far?

[dietpeachsnapple]

Door holding:

We do it - and are being chauvinist.

We don't do it - chivalry is dead.

I find this catch 22 unpalatable, but here is how I will resolve the matter. Every time I open a door, I will continue, as per the norm, look behind me. If I see anyone within a reasonable distance (or more if I am in the mood), I will hold the door, male, female, yes, whatever.

If I am bitched at for having done so, I will reply that I had the best intentions and was striving to be a gentleman. No one should have to feel consternation over a simple (polite, I would add) social gesture.

 

[child of lileth]

Spoiler

The women in my industry make just as much as men. My mom has been at her Customer service specialist job for 3 years now and is almost making the very same amount my dad is as a programming specialist after 36 years at his job. I can tell you all of my friends have reported the same. The women in their work are getting the same treatmen and, spoken in confidence, the same pay as the men.

Really? I guess it's in fewer careers these days than I realized. I know for a fact that jobs like working in mills and such still have a big difference in pay. They start the same, sure, but once you get raises involved for the same amount of years, a woman will end up making at least a few dollars less per hour compared to a man with the same amount of raises, and the same record at the job.

But that's my point, true feminism is okay. I suppose equal rights for women, why wouldn't I? But the feminists arn't as loud anymore. instead you have these dicks parading aruond calling themselves feminists. What I grew up with as feminists arn't the same as what my friend's siblings in highschool are seeing as feminists.

If you had never seen a real feminist, and one od these dicks walked up to you and called her self one, ou'd make an association. It's why WE can say that they are just dicks and not feminists. So these people parade around wantingto be called feminists, so that's what people call them

Exactly. I get accused of being a feminist every now and then, and the people that do it never even understand what a feminist is to begin with. The way I see it, equality can never happen. It would be great, but that's just not how the world will ever be. There's always gonna be someone complaining that someone else gets treated better because of the smallest things. But women aren't treated near as bad as it was even a few decades ago. I've run into men that still have the idea in their heads we live in the 30's, and that women have no right to refuse anything or to have any kind of free choice in life, and so on. And the sad thing is I know a few just from this site.

But I think as long as men like that get it through their skulls women can't be treated that way anymore, we won't have women that act like dicks over every little thing and make a scene out of it, and then end up with feminist blamed for their actions. It's just sad that so many people blame every little thing any one woman does on feminism, when that really has nothing to do with it in most cases.

whether men are there or not doesn't matter. there WILL be people who act that way. even with other women they are sadistic. look at all the videos of teenage girls fighting over some boy. they fight over one person. they fight until they need hospitalization and they fight to that extent over something insignificant to the grand scheme of things.

Children shouldn't be used as the example to represent a group as a whole. Especially not children from that particular generation. They really have nothing to do with anyone my own age, or older. They only represent themselves, and even if they call themselves feminists, I'm more than sure they would be part of the people that have no idea what it actually even means anyway.

people always make something out of nothing, regardless.

I completely agree with that. That's why true equality can never realistically exist. It would be great and all, but it will never happen.

 

[mr_rubino]

That was a mighty useful post 5 days after the fact with nothing to add, Captain Timey.
However, I'm impressed with that one guy's rather limp defense of Other M. You want to talk about desperately avoiding the elephant in the room to harp on something insignificant; the sheer number of elephants in the same room he had to desperately avoid is nothing short of inspirational.

 

[dududf]

Feminism hasn't existed since the 80s.

Not True Feminism anyway, now its about female Superiority, instead of equality.

Not always true. I think to a point that dismissing that sexism still happens and quite often (ex: tits or GTFO) is somewhat kind of foolish.

Sorry to just focus on a small part of your post, I just kinda noticed this and felt I had to comment.

The "tits or gtfo" thing was based off of the frustration of people saying "Hey look I'm a girl I am so special" or people pretending to be girls.

That phrase is also typically used on a image board from which is 100% anonymous, instead of my explaining what anonymous would mean regarding sexism This picture will sum it up nicely.

People will just say things because they can.

In some ways it's more of a way to dismiss "attention whores". Now I am aware that a some people genuinely believe the "tits or gtfo", but I'm pretty sure they are just saying that as a defense, and due to the anonymity they currently possess.

(once again sorry for just ripping out a single piece of your post)

 

[child of lileth]

but those women are the future feminists. feminists may be fighting but mortality is their fatal flaw. they fight for their rights over generations but education is overlooked. this means the future "feminists" are nothing more than jar heads to be told what to do with the rest of the future Americans. feminism is dying, and it isn't by male oppression. it is dying from idiocy within its own gender caused by the very culture they wanted to change. ironic. hell in California feminism is dead. all you get are these "tits on legs" with no brain of their own and the idiocy exerted from every word that leaves their mouths are astounding. they all say the same thing "why work when i can marry a rich man?" however they don't realize that he is rich and can get a hotter wife every couple years and she is left with no work skills. she stoops to become a parasite on society, someone who lives off the milk from uncle sam's man boob. its becoming an all too common sight since almost no one reads the contracts and agreements you need to sign to marry rich people. California dictates where America goes too so its like peering into the future. Idiocy is also draining America of its power and will continue to do so until we end up having the same power as pre-WWII America.

(if you get nightmares because of the milk from old man boob, my work is done.)

Again, real feminism doesn't exist anymore anyway for a good reason. That's what most people don't understand. Let's have a lesson here:

A woman being a dick =/= feminism. Women being lazy shits relying on marriage to support them =/= feminism. A little girl being a dumb shit and a slut has nothing to do with feminism either.

A woman not wanting to be treated like even a few decades ago where we couldn't make decisions, weren't allowed to do anything for ourselves, and especially couldn't ever talk back unless spoken to, is part of what feminists fought for. There is no such thing as equality with anything, and never will be, but that doesn't mean anyone can be treated like that. They fought to change things for the better like that.

We have those rights, therefore, why fight if there's no reason to? "Future feminists" won't be feminists to begin with. They will have no relation, and therefore, shouldn't be forced into association.

What you're talking about is a lack of education. That is an extremely different subject than feminism. I'm sorry California is such a shit hole according to what you said, but that's not anything to do with feminism.

 

[Continuity]

Feminism hasn't gone far enough. Women aren't feminists in the burning the bra kind of way they had in the 70s.

Its gone as far as most women want it to, or so it seems to me.

It's simply not feminism any more, but women buying beauty products and pretending it's emancipation.

Its true that women perpetuate their own stereotype at this point, it seems women don't want to be like men, they want to be women... something all the raging lesbian feminists of the 70s overlooked.

Look at the top jobs, and they're mostly held by men, with women having far lower wages on average.

I don't accept that there is any sexual discrimination behind these statistics. It's been shown that women simply don't apply for the top jobs, and women tend to be much less pushy about their salary. Plus one of the big factors in the pay gap is that women take large maternity breaks which can be a derailment for a professional career, or at least a break on progression, and then (and this is personal observation only) many women put their career on the back burner once they have kids and pretty much tread water for several years at least.
Should men be penalised because some women chose to focus less on their careers when they have kids?

There was a test done recently in fact where a management job was advertised at a high salary and nearly all the applicants were men, they then advertised the same job a few weeks later at about half the salary and nearly all the applicants were women. Who's fault is that?

From a personal perspective though out my career nearly all my managers have been women and about half of the top bosses have been women, and in fact most of my colleagues are women. Right now I'm in an office with about 6 men on the floor and about 40 women, so I don't really see any problem.

 

[Kaptajn Emil Alfred Conan Swagga Benzon]

Will there be a time when forum people will recognized a troll through his/her insistence? *pray*

To continue the discussion...

I once read an article in which a woman decried her job as a high-flying business executive while her husband was a home dad because it made her feel 'like a man'. In this way, I'd say it's the general female approach to masculinity which needs to change just as much, in the same way as it's not only women who need to see themselves as more than someone who must be a mother/housewife.

Funny how prejudices affect the perspectives of people's minds.

She defined her reversal of roles as "feeling like a man", even though nothing about her biology shifted in anyway whatsoever. That's ingrained stereotypes for ya.

I hope for the time when taking care of the house is just an act of respect towards the place which protects you, without any connotation of gender behind it.

As a chick, I have to say that instead of bitching loudly about respect, just walk the walk. Act as if you'd like more respect. Be someone worth respecting.

exactly. i see women who screw strangers in a alley or bathroom. if you throw yourself at someone with no respect

for yourself or body, why should anyone respect you?

That's at the heart of double standards. What about the guy who had sex with said girl in the bathroom?

Does he get any lip from his "promiscuous" behaviour?

Let's be frank here, I don't see what's so wrong about a little prejudice as long as it isn't hurting anyone.

That's a massive oxymoron right there.

oh, so you've never made a 'get back in the kitchen' joke?

 

[Ericb]

oh, so you've never made a 'get back in the kitchen' joke?

No, I haven't. I'm just not that insecure about some girl's opinion, you know.

Did you honestly quoted the whole thing just to ask me that?

 

[Kaptajn Emil Alfred Conan Swagga Benzon]

oh, so you've never made a 'get back in the kitchen' joke?

No, I haven't. I'm just not that insecure about some girl's opinion, you know.

Did you honestly quoted the whole thing just to ask me that?

First of all, there's no reason to be a hostile dickhead, i didn't insult you once. Because I am not a judging asshole. Keep telling yourself you're holy, because you are not mature enough for a civilized discussion. Get a freaking life

And yah, I did, 'cause I am just that much of a noob.

 

[Ericb]

First of all, there's no reason to be a hostile dickhead, i didn't insult you once. Because I am not a judging asshole. Keep telling yourself you're holy, because you are not mature enough for a civilized discussion. Get a freaking life

And yah, I did, 'cause I am just that much of a noob.

Excuse me, who's insulting who, exactly?

I answered your question and then asked a fair one in return, with no intention as a direct insult. Though what it means that you mistook it for such, I'll leave for whoever else is reading this to wonder.

Chill out.

 

[Kaptajn Emil Alfred Conan Swagga Benzon]

First of all, there's no reason to be a hostile dickhead, i didn't insult you once. Because I am not a judging asshole. Keep telling yourself you're holy, because you are not mature enough for a civilized discussion. Get a freaking life

And yah, I did, 'cause I am just that much of a noob.

Excuse me, who's insulting who, exactly?

I answered your question and then asked a fair one in return, with no intention as a direct insult. Though what it means that you mistook it for such, I'll leave for whoever else is reading this to wonder.

Chill out.

"No, I haven't. I'm just not that insecure about some girl's opinion, you know"

"That's a massive oxymoron right there"

That is what you call polite? You have no personal knowledge about me as a person, so you have no idea whether I am "insecure", or just an asshole. And that second one is just rude!
There's no question here that you're nothing but a troll, so when you're open for discussion. I'll be glad to participate.

PS: In case you didn't get it yet, I was insulting you in response to your dicking around