Feminist Kickstarter Project gets Harassed/Threatened

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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/13/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games-vs-the-internet/#more-111757

I have to kind of agree with the article in that my initial reaction to this was to think "Well yeah, naturally", and BOY is that disturbing, really, when you think about it.

Some choice bits summarizing the situation in quotes below, for those too lazy to click a link.

It kind of terrifies me that reporting that Sarkeesian has received multiple threats of rape and death feels like it won't make a significant impact on the reader. Perhaps that the internet's more wretched areas are so commonly filled with such threats has normalised our reaction to reports of them. The key to snap out of this, and take it on board, is I think to not read about it as a thing that happened to someone else, but to imagine being the person on the receiving end ? to imagine being an individual who is reading person after person saying they will sexually assault or murder you. That's the beginning of the response Sarkeesian has seen over the last couple of weeks.

Organised campaigns have attempted to attack the project from many angles. A great number of people, Sarkeesian reports, have been attempting to get the YouTube video labelled as "terrorism" in an effort to have it banned. Another organised group tried to have the Kickstarter be defunded or banned. Sarkeesian?s Wikipedia page has been repeatedly vandalised, including adding images of hardcore porn (a woman with a cock in her mouth, naturally), and descriptions of Sarkeesian such as "an entitled ****** kitchen and hooker who focuses on drugs in popular culture and their association with tropes." It goes on to make remarks about inserting sex toys in her "posterior", multiple links to the more notoriously unpleasant sex acts, and perhaps most sinisterly of all, refers to her throughout as "it". You don?t have to be a psychoanalyst to draw conclusions from the attempt of such vandals to render her as without a sex. Another vandalism attempt saw a description of Sarkeesian as a "****" make it into the excerpt on the first result for her name on Google ? something that was posted with pride on various forums, including the Escapist. According to Wikipedia, at least a dozen people were actively part of this attack.
Then there are the YouTube comments. And while it's tempting to hear the words "YouTube comments" and just roll your eyes and wonder what anyone expected, again it's crucial to imagine that it's you, and your YouTube video, and a comments thread about you. It's too easy to allow the constant cesspit that is YouTube's comments to become ignorable when we don't do this.

They're predictable, they're foul, and they focus on a few different subjects. There are the streams of "jokes" about how she should be in the kitchen, making sandwiches, etc. There are the death threats, or wishes that she would die. There are the implications that she must be a victim of sexual abuse, and "therefore" she should shut up. There are references to her being Jewish, with accompanying anti-Semitism. There are insults about her looks, make up, clothing, etc, with suggestions of hypocrisy. There are suggestions that she needs to get laid. And perhaps most of all, there are furious people arguing that games are sexist against men too, and therefore she should be quiet. But overridingly, in all these categories, the central message is that Sarkeesian should be silenced. (And just in case anyone is feeling left out, one commenter hopes that "them people who funded this get raped and die of cancer.")

On top of this, Sarkeesian reports that she?s received threatening messages on Twitter, Facebook, through Kickstarter, and on her own website. Because she wants to do some research and make some videos concerning the topic of the representation of women in games.
It's a good article, and worth reading, and it's incredibly depressing. While it's tempting to include the obligatory "I don't want to live on this planet any more", I do want to live on this planet. I don't want THESE PEOPLE to live on this planet any more. This is the same, loathsome demographic that crawled out from their stony burrows during that hilarious Dickwolves fiasco, and the passage of time doesn't seem to have dulled their ardor.

Does anyone find this "funny"? Is it just a good troll? Ha ha, we're having a good troll here, I'm going to kill you and rape you! Hilarious! Those coy ragamuffins and their wacky social transgressions!

Sad now.
 

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DrVornoff said:
What hacks me off on a personal level is the dickheads who say, "Men are stereotype too, so shut the fuck up!" As if talking about one problem makes you an asshole for not talking about all the others.
That hacked the guy writing the article off too. He ranted about it at length.

And yeah, it's a tired, predictable response.
 

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DrVornoff said:
What hacks me off on a personal level is the dickheads who say, "Men are stereotype too, so shut the fuck up!" As if talking about one problem makes you an asshole for not talking about all the others.
It's the same as saying that because you wouldn't let a cop shoot someone for parking illegally, no cops should be allowed to shoot people ever, no matter the situation. Just because you are focusing on one subject does not mean that the others don't exist, but then they aren't the subject at hand.
 

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"Makes a video about a problem I don't think exists" justifies death threats? What the **** is wrong with some people?

Well, if nothing else, it's kinda proving her point that, yeah, there is a pretty strong misogynist streak in far too many gamers. Not the majority, no, but not so few that we can just shrug our shoulders and call them inconsequential. They do affect gaming culture, mostly by turning a lot of people off to videogames-- yes, women, but more generally speaking anyone whose stereotype of games as juvenile fantasy trips for adolescent boys is confirmed by this sort of BS.
 

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Youtube is the internet's dumping ground for loud mouthed illiterate jags.

It's a place with a "community" of 30+ men who record themselves talking about TV wrestling, and then upload the footage for review by their peers. It's also a place where 14 year old girls congregate to squee mindlessly about the most attractive teenaged celebrity of the present year.

Read that last paragraph out loud, and then tell me if you still care about the opinions of Youtube users.

They don't actually know anything about anything, so who gives a shit if they're sexist? It's like finding out that the patients at your local mental hospital are anti-Semitic. Sure it's unfortunate- but it's not like any of their opinions actually matter.
 

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Sorry, I don't buy the "Oh, it's just Youtube, what do you expect?" Sure, idiots post LOL GAY!!!111 in comments sections all the time. But she's getting far more than the usual occasional twatwaffle. This is a deliberate (and one wonders if coordinated) comment bombing. And it's not just restricted to Youtube, she also getting threats on pretty much all of her social media channels-- channels which pretty much every professional freelancer has to maintain.
 

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I can appreciate a good trolling, I really can... unfortunately this is not clever nor is it funny. I really can't comprehend the kind of mindset required to commit such absurdly stupid and mindlessly hateful acts. People just lack class these days.
 

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It still amazes me that people can go through these incredible mental gymnastics to convince themselves that she is an evil man hating money grabbing monster and that therefore the army of rape threatening, wikipedia sabotaging trolls are some kind of brave army of heroes.

Here are the facts, the only thing Miss Sarkeesian can be considered 'guilty' of is making a video series asking for people to give her money so that she can pay to make them. Money that people can choose to donate or not choose to donate, people understood what the project was and what the end goal is and decided of their own free will to donate it.
It's not like she stole money that was going to go to some starving orphans or anything like that!

By contrast she has recieved rape threats and death threats. Youtube commentors and people in the gaming forums mobilized to have her videos marked as 'terrorism' and 'hate speech' and her wikipedia page was flooded with pornographic images and racial slurs. This was done by an army of people who apparently think she is the one who is evil and hateful.

IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO IS THE BADDIE HERE YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Still, since the conversation is brought up and a lot of the people condoning or dismissing the issue under the assumption that she must be a man hater or some non professional, let me give some information about Anita Sarkeesian.

She has a bachelor's in communications as well as a Master's degree in Social and political thought. Her videos have been used in women's studies at Universities as examples when talking about women's representations in our media. I myself used one of her videos 'The Straw Feminist' as part of one of my media assignments.
She has worked with many online magazines in the past, her first Tropes Versus Women series was in fact a professional job (she was working for a feminist group called '***** magazine'.) Earlier this year she was invited to a conference at Bungie studios to talk about women's (and later on mens) representation in video games.

She has also organized and helped run certain events, including a few workshops for high school students and even kids crafts workshops. She has an active presence in the community and if you check her twitter you will find that quite a few of her friends/followers are male.

Aside from the Tropes Against Women series where she got paid, she got no money for any of her videos on youtube. She made her stance very clear that she didn't want to put ads on her videos, owing to their intended use as educational tools she doesn't want them to be commercial. Hence her videos were very irregular, often only one in every few months. So when she decided to tackle ambitious subjects and acquire the resources, licensing and other such things (in this case LEGO) she added a 'donate' feature to her site so that she could afford to make videos with greater regularity while also maintaining the basic upkeep of rent, food, self and of course for the various charities and events she helps sponsor.

Again she is being very upfront about what the subject is and what the project is, she never lied or pretended otherwise. Therefore if people want to donate (or invest or whatever) then they are doing that of their own free will. Interestingly since it went over the intended price... significantly... she has reported being able to make a lot more videos with the left over revenue so she probably won't need donations for a while.
But the point is, she never lied about the project, people paying for it were never being 'deceived', they knew exactly what they were paying for and chose to anyway.
SHE DID NOTHING WRONG

As far as the content of her videos, while I will agree that the one comment in her 'iphone games' video and the Christmas one do go a bit far and I certainly didn't agree (except for th bit about 'Baby it's cold outside', that song is just messed up when you actually give the lyrics context) there have also been times when I've glared at Moviebob with sheer dumbfounded fury (Anytime he mentions Halo, the Expendebles review and his stance on Mass Effect 3's ending I find to be misinformed) and also with Yahtzee and Extra Credits.
She said a few dumb things that I didn't agree with, it happens. I don't agree with everything she says but truthfully I find the majority of her videos very well thought out and clever, special nods to her videos on the Hunger Games, LEGO, the original 'Tropes' series and some of her videos on ads.
She's earned this reputation as an 'angry man hater' putting up angry hate speech about how 'all men are evil and sexist and GRAAAA' when really all I do is see her say that, hey, sexist stuff exists. These tropes are real and problematic, hell I'll link one:


I mean gosh just look at all that misandry! Saying that brief two second interactions shouldn't cut it, that maybe a minute long interaction works better. Pointing out that there isn't a need for a white straight male bechdel test because there isn't a problem with male characters not interacting with each other enough? Saying that a movie can still be good even if it doesn't pass the test?

My god where does she get off posting such anti-male propaganda. I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned, even if you don't agree with the video itself, it would take a really cowardly pathetic insecure manchild to think stuff like this was worthy of being called 'violent hate speech' or even 'terrorism'. In addition even you don't like it or think that it's a ripoff scam or whatever else... why did the thought of this series existing bother people so much as to create a vicious organized hate campaign of this magnitude?

These videos will not create an evil female dominated society, they won't cause cancer, they won't kill anyone. They will criticize elements of video game story telling and writing. That's it.

There was no backlash when she first started doing this, the first time backlash like this occurs and it is the first time she decided to take a really deep look at video games. To me that says a lot about game culture as a whole, we can't pretend that youtube commentors aren't 'true gamers'. I have commented on youtube and here I sit typing right now. I play all kinds of games and am deeply immersed in the culture, we have to assume these youtube commentors are similar.

Saying 'oh no that's not us' and then folding your arms is not a solution. As the article says we have to accept that this is a part of our culture and accept the responsibilities associated with it to finally get rid of it once and for all. I'm sick of the piss lame excuses and victim blaming, we need to actually address some of this stuff.

Anyway a few links to an interview of Sarkeesian for further reading:
http://uk.gamespot.com/features/from-samus-to-lara-an-interview-with-anita-sarkeesian-of-feminist-frequency-6382189/

(for the love of god note that she does mention men's representation as well!)

[HEADING=1]On holiday now, please no more quoting[/HEADING]
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Yeah, the quality of "trolling" has really dropped these past years. Now any guy who leaves a "LOL U R SO DUMB I WILL RAPE U AND UR DOG AHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE UMAD?" comment on youtube proudly wears a troll badge like it's some kind of medal.
The Escapist should have a sub-forum dedicated to Youtube quality debate, where you can't be warned or banned for anything except the correct use of punctuation and grammar. The discussions wouldn't be any better than the rest of the site, but it'd take less time to write replies.

OT: It's Youtube. Since some of my YT viewing is related to my interests in history, politics and religion I more or less expect the comments section of any given vid to be a seething pool of bigotry, hatred and anti-semitism.

Anyway, the internet is fuelled by hate... and porn, I guess. Also kittens.
 

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Sixcess said:
OT: It's Youtube. Since some of my YT viewing is related to my interests in history, politics and religion I more or less expect the comments section of any given vid to be a seething pool of bigotry, hatred and anti-semitism.
More than just YouTube. She's been getting it on all available forms of social media. YouTube has just been one small part of it.

SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Oh come on, Guppy.

They hit a few keys on a keyboard. Feeling legitimate contempt toward them for that is almost on the level of legitimately hating someone for wanting to make a stupid "documentary".
Is there some kind of minimal level of effort that needs to be involved in the expression of sublime idiocy before it can be said to merit contempt?

If someone feels the need to call a woman they've never met a ****, and threaten her with rape and death because she wants to make a documentary, it doesn't really occur to me to be fussed about whether they accomplish these goals with a few keystrokes or a full dress parade.

So no. Regrettably, we are not in agreement on this point.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
"LOL U R SO DUMB I WILL RAPE U AND UR DOG AHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE UMAD?" comment on youtube proudly wears a troll badge like it's some kind of medal.
Are you implying that all bad trolls are Brazilian? If so then I agree good sir.
 

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I never got the impression that she was a man hater. That said, i do not really see the point behind her video game videos. I dont believe the problem with the industry in regard to this particular subject is a matter of enlightenment.

It is probably not a shocker that men are better equipped to create good male characters than females and vice versa. I, for one, would not know the first thing about creating a good female character other than copy and pasting aspects from other female characters that i like. The same reason why i identify with male characters but not female characters.

what the industry needs is more of a female touch via more female writers/workers. In this regard, the industry is improving, bit by bit. Within 5 years we will probably see more changes.

That said, i do not want to see all of the beautiful women/eye candy gone. I make no apology for this, I am a guy. Course it angers me when they put a character that is nothing but eye candy in games revolving around story or games in which you are suppose to care about your characters (RPGs) because it is just lazy. in games where you dont give a crud about your character (like fighting games) thats another story as long as you dont go completely ridiculous like Ivy from the soul caliber series.

Random tangent: I never really understood the "get in the kitchen and make a sandwich." Even with all fresh ingredients it takes like...2 minutes. 45 seconds if you use store bought stuff.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Fappy said:
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
"LOL U R SO DUMB I WILL RAPE U AND UR DOG AHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE UMAD?" comment on youtube proudly wears a troll badge like it's some kind of medal.
Are you implying that all bad trolls are Brazilian? If so then I agree good sir.
Nah, I just love typing HUEHUEHUEHUE to make fun of something.

AHUEHUEHEHUHEUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE SO FUNNAY!!! XDDDDD

Love it.
Think we could start a petition to replace the statue of Jesus in Rio with Mordekaiser?
 

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Vrex360 said:
Nice post. You convinced me, at least. She seems perfectly reasonable and I have no problem with her examining these issues. That's what pop culture critics do. If I get wrapped up in Chuck Klosterman giving near-prophetic (on 9/11) status Radiohead's Kid A, there's no reason why Sarkeesian's research couldn't possibly produce eye-opening results.

But if that doesn't become the case, there's no justification for the harassment she's receiving. Who are these people? I've never met anyone outside the internet who as even shown a hint of thinking this way. Not even close. Most people I meet are decent men and women who would be appalled at this crap. This makes me think that these are just lonely reclusive individuals who get off by spitting their harmless venom at a screen. They are barely a part of the world, and will die unknown. I don't need to wish ill on them, because they're already damning themselves.