Feminist Kickstarter Project gets Harassed/Threatened

[Ryotknife]

You know, i love how you always jump up and down over anyone you disagree with providing you concrete proof over anything and everything they say when you make arguments without providing any proof as well but act like you are the ultimate right.

Hypocrisy much?

So no, you can't. A pleasure doing business with you.

as for my fight argument, i have Bruce freaking Lee in my corner over what people should do if they find themselves in such a situation, and im pretty sure he is (or was) an expert.

That doesn't answer my question.

And yes, i have first hand experience of what it is like to get hit hard in the groin. If im hit there, im not going to be able to do much of ANYTHING for the next hour, and even after that im going to be walking funny for awhile.

That's not what I asked.

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field. in fact you havent provided a single shred of any kind of proof anywhere in any of our arguments and yet somehow you have this massive ego that says you are always right. in fact all of your posts give off an attitude that you are the brightest, pure, most enlightened person in this thread and everyone that ever disagrees with you is wrong no matter what. and your pompous attitude is starting to irritate me.

but please continue

you asked for a honest answer, i gave you one. hell i gave you an answer that doesnt exactly show me in the best light, but i did so voluntarily. I could have easily made up an answer that had me looking all macho. Now you are backpedaling so fast im surprised you havent broken your neck yet.

But who am i kidding? you will continue to put your hands over your ears shouting "lalalalala the answer i asked you to give doesnt mean anything because it doesnt conform to my very narrow views" while constantly degrading others opinions.

quite honestly, you are even worse than those people who gave that women death threats. at least they are honest about what they are and make no excuses for their terrible behavior. you on the other hand? who degrade people just as much while maintaining an air of superiority over others? that dishonest representation is even worse in my eyes.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field.

Ehhh...I can't really say I think that they do, man. Yeah it's a weak spot, but it's a weak spot you're aware of from...what? The time you're 4 years old? Most of us are pretty adept at defending the groin. Turn your thigh slightly. Drop your hands. Step BACKWARDS. It's not a difficult attack to deflect. The only groin shots I have ever taken have all been accidents during playful wrestling sessions, and once with a leather puck that left me near catatonic.

I've had girlfriends say "I'd go for the groin" before during discussions of what they might do were they ever attacked, and I've actually discouraged it, because it's so fucking obvious. So no...the existence of my groin does not offset the 60 lbs and 7 inches I have on her. I guess the possibility of a lucky shot exists, but the possibility of me concussing her with one punch is significantly higher. The only self defense technique I ever want to see her attempting to employ against a potential rapist is running away as fast as she can and screaming for help, none of this Bruce Lee the guy in the testicles crap. That's a good way for her to get herself killed.

 

[Ryotknife]

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field.

Ehhh...I can't really say I think that they do, man. Yeah it's a weak spot, but it's a weak spot you're aware of from...what? The time you're 4 years old? Most of us are pretty adept at defending the groin. Turn your thigh slightly. Drop your hands. Step BACKWARDS. It's not a difficult attack to deflect. The only groin shots I have ever taken have all been accidents during playful wrestling sessions, and once with a leather puck that left me near catatonic.

I've had girlfriends say "I'd go for the groin" before during discussions of what they might do were they ever attacked, and I've actually discouraged it, because it's so fucking obvious. So no...the existence of my groin does not offset the 60 lbs and 7 inches I have on her. I guess the possibility of a lucky shot exists, but the possibility of me concussing her with one punch is significantly higher. The only self defense technique I ever want to see her attempting to employ against a potential rapist is running away as fast as she can and screaming for help, none of this Bruce Lee the guy in the testicles crap. That's a good way for her to get herself killed.

Well, yea the first course of action should be to run and try to get help. That is absolutely correct.

as for the Bruce Lee part, he had people ask him "if someone came at you with X weapon and you couldnt get away, how would you respond?" and he would answer "try to gouge out his eyes or hit him in the groin and run away"

The will to "win" is often a bigger factor than skill or strength at the non professional level like most of us here. Ive seen scrawny guys put the fear of god into someone bigger and stronger simply because he was bat@#$% crazy with rage. The will to survive is one of the strongest desires, to the point where we sometimes do things that would seem strange from an outside perspective. such as a person drowing clinging to the person who is trying to help him/her causing both of them to drown, or a person acting like a wild cornered animal to survive.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

as for the Bruce Lee part, he had people ask him "if someone came at you with X weapon and you couldnt get away, how would you respond?" and he would answer "try to gouge out his eyes or hit him in the groin and run away"

I don't suppose it needs clarifying here that Bruce Lee was an accomplished martial artist, and we're discussing how your average woman should defend herself from an attacker who is, in this hypothetical scenario, significantly larger and stronger than her. Kicks the groin from untrained assailants are comically easy to evade. I suspect Bruce Lee might enjoy more success in this department.

 

[Ryotknife]

Well, yea the first course of action should be to run and try to get help.

as for the Bruce Lee part, he had people ask him "if someone came at you with X weapon and you couldnt get away, how would you respond?" and he would answer "try to gouge out his eyes or hit him in the groin and run away"

Could you provide me with a link to that quote? I plugged it into Google and it didn't turn up. Regardless, I would also point out that Bruce Lee was constantly getting into fights as a kid, and during his Hong Kong career once floored a gangbanger in seconds after the guy made fun of Bruce, claiming he was just a pampered movie star and didn't actually know how to fight.

Point is, defending the groin from attack is actually rather easy. It's not a reliable target. If you have to fight, you're much better off going for a punch to the stomach or the chest. As I said, kicks are not nearly as useful as a good punch. Also, I would recommend the stomach first as your less likely to break your hand. Fists weren't actually made for punching. And that's assuming you don't telegraph your attack. Kick are very obviously telegraphed, and since you have to really aim for the groin to hit it, you make the attack pretty fucking obvious.

I suspect Bruce Lee might enjoy more success in this department.

Who was it who said that Bruce Lee invented legs so that he'd be able to keep hitting you after his fists got bored?

if a guy is trying to rape a woman, he is not expecting a fight, or much of one. In fact he is probably not using his brain for much of anything as the bloodflow is being redirected elsewhere. He probably has the mental capacity of a neanderthal at this point.

you try fighting someone seriously with a boner

 

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

I turned to psychology and biology

So have I. And that's why I can say the problem is:

But yes, that is why I think any male or female power fantasy is what you envision would be attractive to the other gender.

In this statement you are conflating two different phenomena that happen for different reasons and trying to tell me that it's the exact same thing because fucking.

And no, I don't believe that characters like Jack Slate were made to titillate women. They were made to make you think, "Now that's a real man." And while I do feel insulted by such condescending bullshit, that doesn't mean it's the same thing as judging a woman based on how physically attractive she is.

Also, are you aware that a study was done that showed women prefer men who are toned without being giant and bulky?

I actually know about that study and yes I do know. Did you know that women also find men more attractive depending upon what type of car they own?

http://www.cardealerreviews.org/?p=253102 (embedded news video on the page)

You are free to disagree with me on my opinions and if you feel insulted by opinions, well I apologize for making you feel that way.

I can't help but feel you got a impression from my opinions rather than what I actually said.

I don't judge women on their appearance alone, personality far supersedes that in my book. Appearance does play a part but it doesn't take up the entire pie. I also never stated that video games could not also be a teaching tool for how to be a man either. I am also pretty sure there is some women who are attracted to Slate as well. You can ask any person what it is to be a man, and they will roughly say "Be strong, stand for your beliefs and opinions etc."

I shall refer to my main argument for the power fantasies which you seem to be forgetting.

Many men want to feel empowered because they feel they lack certain quality traits. And to basically not going into a longer post than necessary, this is basically sums into what they believe will attract the opposite sex.

"Believe will attract" is the key point. The muscle man is just a common trope/stereotype and is the simplest form of expression for the male power fantasy.

How many women want to feel sexy? Smart? Independent? <== I know all my female friends do.
How many men want to feel strong? Sexy? Smart? etc? <== Alot as well.

How many men and women use these descriptions in the perfect man/women? Alot. I am simply comparing the two ideas, both the idealized man and women by many genders and going, well I see an pattern here. It certainly isn't rocket science to go, well, now, it appears what a many men want to be is a rough description of what women want, and what women want to be is a rough description of what men want.

I don't exactly see how it's that radical of a concept. Not like I'm proposing that world is flat. Appearance is only one factor that comes into play and it's simply the most common.

Both genders have different types of men and women they are attracted to. I never stated anything to counter that. Not all women are attracted to muscle men, and not all men are attracted to skinny chicks with big boobs. Why? There isn't simply enough around and we look for different traits in order to reduce competition amongst ourselves. Yeah it's a bit black/white but it's also true.

 

[Schadrach]

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field.

http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

Yes, clearly women have it so much easier.

http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/35/1/33.1.long

Not all that one sided...

 

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field.

http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

Yes, clearly women have it so much easier.

Can we just go with the fact that you can kick a women in the groin and that it hurts far more than a man's kick the groin? We're talking a whole different ball game of sensitivity down there from women. I'm going to have to agree with DrVornoff that groin kicks don't level the playing field.

Groin shots, especially for men make them simply more angry and ignoring pain in a fight than help your situation unless you can take the guy out before he can respond which if the women is untrained, is just going to piss the guy off even more.

It's a nice escape mechanism though. I Can admit that.

 

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

I actually know about that study and yes I do know. Did you know that women also find men more attractive depending upon what type of car they own?

http://www.cardealerreviews.org/?p=...round the bush just generates more confusion.

 

[Smeatza]

still dont see any of your proof that groin shots dont level the playing field.

http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

Yes, clearly women have it so much easier.

Can we just go with the fact that you can kick a women in the groin and that it hurts far more than a man's kick the groin? We're talking a whole different ball game of sensitivity down there from women. I'm going to have to agree with DrVornoff that groin kicks don't level the playing field.

Groin shots, especially for men make them simply more angry and ignoring pain in a fight than help your situation unless you can take the guy out before he can respond which if the women is untrained, is just going to piss the guy off even more.

It's a nice escape mechanism though. I Can admit that.

I realise this might be a bit off topic, feel free to ignore me if you feel so.

As long as you don't hit the clitoris when kicking a woman in the groin (which you'd have to be a good shot to do with a kick) they're not going to feel much pain, or at least as much pain as a man (I wouldn't think).
I can tell you now, if you think you can ignore the pain of being hit in the testicles, then you've never been hit in the testicles with any real force.

 

[Kingpopadopalus]

From what little I've seen of her shows she sees all feminists, no matter they be misandrists or be they quiet feminists, as being shown as bad feminists as a joke. What she fails to see is that misandrists are bad feminists, they don't want equality they want dominance. When you attack men and plan crimes to target men or demonize them it's called misandry or extreme feminism which the majority of the world understands is not true feminism.

TL;DR: For the most part people understand that feminists just want to have equal rights to men and good for them, I support those women.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The cultural problems that men have do not come from the same causality as what effects women.

Curious to know your opinion on what cultural problems men do face. Specifically the traditional male gender role, and whether you find it empowering or restrictive.

 

[aestu]

Can we just go with the fact that you can kick a women in the groin and that it hurts far more than a man's kick the groin?

No, because it's not a fact.

It's pure feminist Orwellianism - turn black into white and declare they are equal, but more equal, than others.

 

[aestu]

From what little I've seen of her shows she sees all feminists, no matter they be misandrists or be they quiet feminists, as being shown as bad feminists as a joke. What she fails to see is that misandrists are bad feminists, they don't want equality they want dominance. When you attack men and plan crimes to target men or demonize them it's called misandry or extreme feminism which the majority of the world understands is not true feminism.

TL;DR: For the most part people understand that feminists just want to have equal rights to men and good for them, I support those women.

They no more exist than good KKK members. Women have equality and more.

Talking about female inequality is no different than the GOP insisting America is one step away from Communism. It's a radical and hypocritical claim at odds with reality and anyone who makes it is a liar or a fool.