Feminists next target; Battlefield 1.

[EternallyBored]

I'm more amazed at USA for pretending it won WWI single-handed. They were barely in it! They only fought the last few months.

You do know that DICE is a Swedish company right?

You do know that DICE is a subsidiary of an American company right?

Yes. So EA made this decision? They went public with it? I'm honestly curious, did they make an announcement for that somewhere?

A subsidiary is a company that is owned or controlled by another company. EA owns and controls DICE.

In other words no, they did not announce if this was their decision. Well, that's all I had to hear, thank you for your time.

Sure. In other news from Amazing Stories, employees don't have to answer to their bosses now.

To be fair, it's not exactly hard to imagine DICE doing this without the influence of EA, there are plenty of companies based completely outside the U.S. That still shamelessly pander to American audiences. Ubisoft loves jacking off Americans in its war games despite being a French company.

America is a massive market that's mostly homogenous, and isnt as insular as Japanese markets or as piracy prone as Chinese markets. War games sell especially well in America, so there is incentive to pander to Americans.

While it's certainly possible that EA has some influence, I wouldn't put it past DICE to have made the decision on their own, the battlefield series has always featured the U.S. Very prominently, and is popular in the US, DICE likely knows that without EA telling them anything.

 

[CritialGaming]

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You're absolutely right. None of this has happened yet. Hell none of this might ever happen. Actually....we can be assured that it wont, because they aren't putting women in battlefield. So there is no reason to have a discussion because it is literally a discussion about nothing.

My judgements are basis solely on past experiences, so all I can do is guess about how things will go down. But isn't that all anyone on this thread can do? Guess? Guess why DICE pulled women from the game, guess how people would have reacted if they had been left in the game? It's all guessing and hypothetical work.

And my guess is that people would have a problem directly shooting other women in the face. Not the players mind you, but media. Passed experience has shown me that they would take that and run it into insane exaggeration. They do it with GTA, and they'd do it with this game as well. I believe they call it, "sensationalist" media? Something like that.

Frankly I don't care. Put women in the game, leave them out, it doesn't matter to me because I don't play FPS games.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I'm more amazed at USA for pretending it won WWI single-handed. They were barely in it! They only fought the last few months.

You do know that DICE is a Swedish company right?

You do know that DICE is a subsidiary of an American company right?

Yes. So EA made this decision? They went public with it? I'm honestly curious, did they make an announcement for that somewhere?

A subsidiary is a company that is owned or controlled by another company. EA owns and controls DICE.

In other words no, they did not announce if this was their decision. Well, that's all I had to hear, thank you for your time.

Sure. In other news from Amazing Stories, employees don't have to answer to their bosses now.

To be fair, it's not exactly hard to imagine DICE doing this without the influence of EA, there are plenty of companies based completely outside the U.S. That still shamelessly pander to American audiences. Ubisoft loves jacking off Americans in its war games despite being a French company.

America is a massive market that's mostly homogenous, and isnt as insular as Japanese markets or as piracy prone as Chinese markets. War games sell especially well in America, so there is incentive to pander to Americans.

While it's certainly possible that EA has some influence, I wouldn't put it past DICE to have made the decision on their own, the battlefield series has always featured the U.S. Very prominently, and is popular in the US, DICE likely knows that without EA telling them anything.

My point is DICE *is* EA. Electronic Arts Digital Illusions Creative Entertainment. They're an extension of an American company.

 

[McMarbles]

Just to be clear, nothing has actually happened, right?

But it might! And as we know, the possibility that somehow, somewhere, a feminist might develop an opinion about something is LITERALLY THE WORST POSSIBLE THING.

 

[Erttheking]

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I seem to recall your point being that Americans were being full of themselves. If DICE did this on their own, that makes your comment being rather baseless.

 

[Leg End]

EA being EA, nothing much to see(or say) here. But at least it fits historically.
Though, if they chose to keep the idea in, having a female fighting somewhere against X while not necessarily enlisted can work. Civilians fight too.

EDIT: I'm more amazed at USA for pretending it won WWI single-handed. They were barely in it!

But we still got to sit at the big boys table!

But really, where are you seeing/hearing this? I'll slap anyone that says it because we did almost jack. WWII you can at least be in the same ballpark when you say "we did a fuckton, m8". People might in fact be confusing it for WWII.

 

[visiblenoise]

This type of issue was hardly titillating the first time it happened. What left is there to discuss? Let EA be EA.

 

[Exley97_v1legacy]

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You're absolutely right. None of this has happened yet. Hell none of this might ever happen. Actually....we can be assured that it wont, because they aren't putting women in battlefield.

They did, actually.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-13-battlefield-1-preview

So there is no reason to have a discussion because it is literally a discussion about nothing.

And yet...

My judgements are basis solely on past experiences, so all I can do is guess about how things will go down. But isn't that all anyone on this thread can do? Guess?

No. You can do a lot more than guess. You can provide facts, cite source material or articles, and offer examples of actual arguments made by, say, Sarkeesian instead of using perceived arguments.

Guess why DICE pulled women from the game, guess how people would have reacted if they had been left in the game? It's all guessing and hypothetical work.

No, it's not really just guess work: http://www.pcgamesn.com/battlefield-1/battlefield-1-scrapped-female-soldiers-because-boys-don-t-believe-in-them-says-ex-dice-coder

And my guess is that people would have a problem directly shooting other women in the face. Not the players mind you, but media. Passed experience has shown me that they would take that and run it into insane exaggeration. They do it with GTA, and they'd do it with this game as well. I believe they call it, "sensationalist" media? Something like that.

I humbly suggest, for your own peace of mind, that you wait until such media sensationalism occurs

Frankly I don't care. Put women in the game, leave them out, it doesn't matter to me because I don't play FPS games.

Your 9 previous posts in this thread suggest otherwise.

 

[cikame]

CORRECTION, they said there wouldn't be female soldiers in the MULTIPLAYER, there's totally at least 1 female soldier in the single player i.e. the lady riding the horse in the first trailer.
Despite this being a slightly exaggerated view of WW1, they've decided not to stray from the fact that there were few to no female soldiers on the front lines in this period. If Russia appears as a faction in the multiplayer i could see female soldiers making an appearance, but without the right context it would be odd if every other British or German soldier was a woman.
I think a story centered around a women's platoon in either WW1 or 2 would be cool, but it would have to be an entirely fictional story if they were to be thrust onto the front lines.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

EDIT: I'm more amazed at USA for pretending it won WWI single-handed. They were barely in it!

But we still got to sit at the big boys table!

But really, where are you seeing/hearing this? I'll slap anyone that says it because we did almost jack. WWII you can at least be in the same ballpark when you say "we did a fuckton, m8". People might in fact be confusing it for WWII.

They announced you won't get to play as Russia or France in multiplayer - you know, the countries that did most of the fighting.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

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I seem to recall your point being that Americans were being full of themselves. If DICE did this on their own, that makes your comment being rather baseless.

DICE is a subsidiary of an American parent company. DICE works for Americans, answers to Americans, represents Americans.

 

[Leg End]

They announced you won't get to play as Russia or France in multiplayer - you know, the countries that did most of the fighting.

That's incredibly fucked up and makes me worry that I can't use a Mosin online.

If that's the case, zero chance I'm buying it.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

And all for jumping at ghosts.

A g-g-g-g-ghost?!

All seriousness, what's the big deal?! They didn't add women to a historical war game set in a time when there weren't many frontline female combatants, if indeed there were any operating in an official capacity.
What's next, complaining there aren't enough women generals in an Ancient Rome RTS?

 

[CritialGaming]

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Suggest I don't care? Or that I don't like fps games?

Also press releases for any cut content of this nature are hardly truthful, which is why I brought up guessing.

Fact is. Women got pulled out of the game. Then put back? Possibly? Probably because the PR from this story is a total shitshow. I mean did you see that shit?

I don't know how EA stays in business with this kind of crap.

Whatever.

 

[Erttheking]

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I seem to recall your point being that Americans were being full of themselves. If DICE did this on their own, that makes your comment being rather baseless.

DICE is a subsidiary of an American parent company. DICE works for Americans, answers to Americans, represents Americans.

So every company that is a subsidiary of an American company...represents Americans.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Considering that you can't instill every last aspect of someone's culture into someone, just because you buy their company.

Or would I become a representative of China just because I became a bellhop at Starwoods?

 

[Vigormortis]

So, we have to consider "#killallmen" as a legit form of feminism?

Define "legit", in this context.

If there is a collective of followers of an ideology, and that collective operates under the name of that ideology, regardless of what good or ill they do, then yes, it is a form of that ideology. Same goes here.

That does not mean it is representative of any other forms of the ideology nor the ideology as a whole, but it is still a form of that ideology.

If so, PETA are people who actively care about nature.

Well, aren't they, technically? Their common mantra is the protection of animals, which are a part of nature.

Egh, but regardless, there can be people within PETA who care about nature and who don't care about nature. Doesn't change the fact that each of them claims to be a part of PETA.

Wait, even better: suddenly Christian people should all be psychopaths because there's fringe cults of murder fanatics.

The Westboro Baptists are clan of complete nutters, but they're still Christians. Doesn't mean they represent all Christians.

Besides, when did I say that ALL feminists are bad? When did I say #KillAllMen is proof that feminists are bad? When did I even HINT at such a notion?

You're still going with the NoTrueScotsman fallacy. This notion that, because those people over there don't believe exactly what you believe, they can't possibly be true feminists. They're not real feminists!

They would think the same of you. And others would think the same of both of you.

You can find bad apple and fringe, insane extremist groups in EVERYTHING. That does not mean you should not be a Christian, or someone who cares about the environment, or a feminist.

I didn't say this either. In fact, I even said I'm a firm adherent to the ideal of equality, and that I support (at least in a general sense) ideologies that profess their desire for equality.

However, a counterpoint, the existence of non-extremists within a group does not mean extremists don't exist within that group, nor that those extremists don't present an image or efficacy problem for that group. Especially if that group decides to pretend like those extremists don't exist.

Associating feminism with "killallmen" and the like is just like associating Christianity with black mess.

Not even cl...ugh, there's so much wrong with this statement.

Firstly, I wasn't associating feminism with the hashtag #KillAllMen. I was demonstrating that not all feminists hold to the same ideals as you. (a fact supported by the hashtag's existence) Secondly, Black Mass (and I assume you mistyped) is associated with Christianity since Satanism is, at the very least, a tangential offshoot of Christianity.

Seriously Wyvern, your notions on ideologies are all over the place and you're still putting words into my mouth. You keep accusing me of saying and implying things I've never said nor implied. Please stop doing that.

You need to be willing to accept that feminism isn't something that is universally accepted as one particular 'thing'. A specific set of ideals. It's just not. Virtually no ideology is, especially when that ideology has been around for a long stretch of time.

Here, some reading material on the matter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_movements_and_ideologies
http://www.uah.edu/woolf/feminism_kinds.htm
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-different-types-of-feminism
http://study.com/academy/lesson/feminism-types-and-definitions-liberal-socialist-culture-radical.html

The best thing you can do is to up-play the version of feminism you find to be the most beneficial to all, and stand in firm opposition to the forms that operate counter to that version. Pretending like they don't exist or aren't "real feminists" isn't going to help.

I'm not your enemy here, Wyvern. I'm tryin' to be a friend.

Either way, I think we both agree true equality is in everyone's best interest, no?

 

[Skatalite]

I almost wish we could go back to the days when people were only complaining about violence in games...

 

[Vigormortis]

Or would I become a representative of China just because I became a bellhop at Starwoods?

You mean you wouldn't?

Damn...there goes my cleverly laid plan.

Damn you Ert! Ruinin' my schemes...

 

[Phasmal]

Well, thanks for letting me know what my next target is, bro.

Jesus, guys, so what if some people wanted ladies in this game? So what? So what if people are gonna complain?
Trust me, feminists aren't going door-to-door forcing you to give a shit. Maybe just don't fuckin' engage in the conversation if you don't want to be a part of it?

I don't get the trend of making threads about things you admittedly don't want discussed. It's frankly bizarre to me.
And the idea that feminists are just picking 'targets', dudes, take a chill pill. It's not some freaking war just because some people were like "Damn I wanted lady soldiers in this game that said it would have lady soldiers".

And as for the "What so you want to see lady enemies getting killed" crowd- yes, that's exactly what I want. I enjoyed it very much in Skyrim when a lot of the random bandits were female.

Take a minute to sit and think about whether you really care if some people want different things in games to you, and why. Meanwhile, I'll be targeting the video game industry. The plan is to keep playing video games like a normal person, but here's the twist... like a feminist normal person. Huh? Clearly this plan guarantees me control over the entire industry.