Feminists next target; Battlefield 1.

[CaitSeith]

Though people should forget about this gender crap and be more bothered about the fact that France isn't a playable faction. ...In a game about WW1, they may as well not have the Germans in it.

They had to make room for the Americans.

The French aren't the target audience. Everyone knows French people are disinclined to play video games on a genetic level. It's just science.

Well, duh! What's more. When have you ever heard of a french game developer? The mere idea is ludicrous!

And, yes, I'm joking.

 

[K12]

Oh I see so we're complaining about feminist controversies and backlashes before they even happen now. Feminists aren't responsible for what they say within your imagination.

Both the "screw realism let's put women in WW1" and the "there weren't women combatants in WW1 so we won't have them in our games" are both fine stances but leaping backwards and forwards between the two is kind of annoying and I won't be suprised if people ge disappointed by the change in stance. Personally I think the best option is to find a way of showing the real impact that women had on WW1 and the impact it had on them... might be a bit difficult to write if everything's set on the front lines but it's still do-able.

 

[rcs619]

So DICE recently twitted that there will be no female soldiers in the upcoming game BF1. EA originally said, and I quote, "Screw realism, we're adding female soldiers, because we're way overdue". But they decided to revert this decision since there were no female soldiers in WWI.

Some gamers did not find this decision to be a good thing, since just about every FPS multiplayer games nowdays have option to play as woman. Hell, even Star Was Battlefront EA, as much as that game was a piece of shit, had an option to play as female.

I honestly think it would be only a matter of time before Anita Sarkeesian or any other feminists starts bitching about how game these days are discriminating against woman.

What do you think?

I think it'd be tough to do with WWI. Then again, it's a Battlefield game, so historical accuracy is not a major selling point. But yeah, historically, it'd be tough.

Now, world war II? That's a totally different story. Tons of badass ladies fought in the second world war. From resistance fighters in nazi-occupied France and other territories, to the eastern front which had...

- Highly-successful female snipers
- A couple female fighter pilots, including *the* only female fighter ace in world history.
- A few more female bomber pilots (who flew in biplanes, at night, to bomb the german lines).
- An all-female AAA group that decided shooting down planes wasn't badass enough, so they lowered their cannons and used them to make a last stand against approaching german armored units.
- One lady who, after losing her husband to the war, went out and bought a tank, named it "The Fighting Girlfriend" and proceeded to go kill nazis with it until she was finally killed herself.

Russian women were pretty nuts back during WWII.

 

[Bombiz]

Wait, so people WANT to see depictions of women getting shot, gassed, bombed, bayoneted, and crushed under tank treads all in the name of imperialism and nationalism gone awry? Who are the misogynists here?

Feminism means equality.
Equality means that women get to do the same things men do. INCLUDING GETTING SLAUGHTERED IN VIDEOGAMES.

Frankly I don't understand the logic of "gasp, you want to see women getting killed??". Women are adult human beings just like men.... they're not children.

Fair enough. If people want true equality of genders, then it stands to reason that there should be no objection to sharing equal hardship. It's just that, based on my (albeit circumstantial) observations, the folks who tend to push hardest for more female representation also cry foul the loudest at depictions of women suffering.

Show me examples of such folks.

Frankly, I'd be an hypocrite if I wanted equality only on the positive things.

Also, the idea that women can't be depicted in violent situations is very bad. It seems to compare women to defenseless, "inferior" individuals, such as children.

I mean their was the whole hitman debacle where you could kill stripers in a strip club. Then theirs the GTA 'rewards' you for killing hookers by giving you your money back when you kill them. If I recall correctly both of these where started because of Anita? Though i guess that could be different in that those women where helpless?
@WinterWyvern

 

[Stewie Plisken]

Men weren't the primary soldiers in World War 1 because, "lol it doesn't matter if guys die!" Men were the soldiers in WW1 because highly "masculine" societies stated that women were incapable of fighting, and would distract their fellow soldiers with their "feminine wiles" and cause dissent among the ranks.

Are you going to base that on something, or do we have to take your word for it, because feminism?

, and is mostly perpetuated by people of a certain ideology in order to peddle their sexist trash

Hi pot, meet kettle.

On topic, I hail from a country that has been severely ravaged across two world wars and never gets any representation in games, so I'm used to a lot of these convenient historical inaccuracies. Having said that, clickbait title is clickbait and if EA actually did go on record saying they would've included female solders in the MP and then went back on it, they're idiots.

Incidentally it's either way irrelevant to me; even if I cared for the game in any capacity, the shoe-horned inclusion of Americans instead of, say, the French would be enough of a reason for me to not give it the time of day.

Show me examples of such folks.

Frankly, I'd be an hypocrite if I wanted equality only on the positive things.

Also, the idea that women can't be depicted in violent situations is very bad. It seems to compare women to defenseless, "inferior" individuals, such as children.

Hey Wyvern, that may be the first thing we have ever agreed on! Having said that, you may want to bring this up to other feminists, who make a spectacle out of GTA, because that shit scares developers and makes them not touch female characters with a ten-foot pole.

 

[CritialGaming]

So DICE recently twitted that there will be no female soldiers in the upcoming game BF1. EA originally said, and I quote, "Screw realism, we're adding female soldiers, because we're way overdue". But they decided to revert this decision since there were no female soldiers in WWI.

Some gamers did not find this decision to be a good thing, since just about every FPS multiplayer games nowdays have option to play as woman. Hell, even Star Was Battlefront EA, as much as that game was a piece of shit, had an option to play as female.

I honestly think it would be only a matter of time before Anita Sarkeesian or any other feminists starts bitching about how game these days are discriminating against woman.

What do you think?

They said that? Can you post a link to the actual quote, because EA is stupid, but I don't think they are that fucking stupid to directly say something like that.

 

[Amaror]

Wow, you got be in the balls here. But since this batallion was a last ditch effort near the end of WWI, I guess EA decided not to include females, or they many have not done enough research

Well to be fair I have also yet to see a world war 2 game simulating the "Volksturm" by exclusively fighting old men and teenagers near the end of the war. That might ruin the heroic athmosphere a bit, hehe.

Personally I think it would be better to include female soldiers. It doesn't really matter at all in a First-person-perspective, but if some people put much value in it why not.
The game allready is not at all historically accurate, so it wouldn't hurt in that aspect.

 

[CritialGaming]

Wait, so people WANT to see depictions of women getting shot, gassed, bombed, bayoneted, and crushed under tank treads all in the name of imperialism and nationalism gone awry? Who are the misogynists here?

Feminism means equality.
Equality means that women get to do the same things men do. INCLUDING GETTING SLAUGHTERED IN VIDEOGAMES.

Frankly I don't understand the logic of "gasp, you want to see women getting killed??". Women are adult human beings just like men.... they're not children.

Talk equality all you want. There are still things that people are genuinely not okay with, at least socially, one of those things is shooting girls in the face.

You can talk about your vision of feminism but I can promise you, other feminist groups would absolutely flip their shit if you could shank, and shot women in a game like Battlefield. Especially people on Sarkesian's side of the feminist wall, as they believe that video games promote violence and the victimization of women, and putting female characters in a Battlefield game it LITERALLY murdering women.

You may not have a problem with that (ironically) but damn other's would. Mostly because this game doesn't have a cartoony art style for protection. This game is gonna be fairly realistic graphically.

Do you think people would be ready for that?

 

[Elijin]

I feel like the goof here was some mouthpiece making an announcement before things were ready, more than the decision.

I mean while its not the best, its understandable for a WW1 infantry game. The real fallout will be dangling something in front of an audience then taking it away.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

While I don't care a jot for the nontroversy, I think showcasing nurses who risked life and limb to save their patients seems a good segue bit. Kind of like how they do a bomber sequence. I could totally see Sisters Clare Deacon, Dorothy Cawood and Alice Ross-King and Staff Nurse Mary Derrer running into burning buildings to help stabilise and save as many injured soldiers as possible during a German raid.

Either that or chart a 'day in the life' of a spy. Or someone like Edith Cavell ... you could even have the COD4 style nuke where she gets shot by firing squad. Edith Cavell wouyld be a particularly poignant statement of how war makes enemies of all. As she helped save lives on both sides of the fence, and despite that she was still executed for 'treason' when she helped save 200 Allied soldiers.

Plenty of historically accurate roles featuring women serving on the frontlines, decorated for their services.

 

[Exley97_v1legacy]

So DICE recently twitted that there will be no female soldiers in the upcoming game BF1. EA originally said, and I quote, "Screw realism, we're adding female soldiers, because we're way overdue". But they decided to revert this decision since there were no female soldiers in WWI.

A simple Google search would have likely shown you that this is not entirely true.

Some gamers did not find this decision to be a good thing, since just about every FPS multiplayer games nowdays have option to play as woman. Hell, even Star Was Battlefront EA, as much as that game was a piece of shit, had an option to play as female.

I honestly think it would be only a matter of time before Anita Sarkeesian or any other feminists starts bitching about how game these days are discriminating against woman.

It seems as if you're getting outraged about a backlash that hasn't taken place yet, and you're blaming the convenient video game boogeyman (feminists) for the imaginary backlash.

What do you think?

I think you're looking for something to get mad about.

 

[Gorrath]

While I don't care a jot for the nontroversy, I think showcasing nurses who risked life and limb to save their patients seems a good segue bit. Kind of like how they do a bomber sequence. I could totally see Sisters Clare Deacon, Dorothy Cawood and Alice Ross-King and Staff Nurse Mary Derrer running into burning buildings to help stabilise and save as many injured soldiers as possible during a German raid.

Either that or chart a 'day in the life' of a spy. Or someone like Edith Cavell ... you could even have the COD4 style nuke where she gets shot by firing squad. Edith Cavell wouyld be a particularly poignant statement of how war makes enemies of all. As she helped save lives on both sides of the fence, and despite that she was still executed for 'treason' when she helped save 200 Allied soldiers.

Plenty of historically accurate roles featuring women serving on the frontlines, decorated for their services.

Precisely this. Just because there weren't formally any women who were combatants in the war, that sure doesn't mean the game can't showcase the roles women did have. And not just for the fuck of it but to add different, interesting chapters and gameplay to the game. Sequences dealing with nurses and spies or women who were part of the fire brigade.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

The problem here is not that there isn't going to be female soldiers since if their going for historical accuracy there weren't any in WW1. However EA originally said "screw accuracy, were giving female soldiers." then they backtracked.

 

[Lightknight]

Oh, this is the main thread. I'll cross post here then.

It's WWI. Unless it's a spy or something (which would be awkward to portray) then yeah, I'd say they're being reasonable this time.

Maybe the Russian's women battalion though? That's one of the only examples of women in WWI called into the actual battlefield.

 

[Avnger]

You can talk about your vision of feminism but I can promise you, other feminist groups would absolutely flip their shit if you could shank, and shot women in a game like Battlefield. Especially people on Sarkesian's side of the feminist wall, as they believe that video games promote violence and the victimization of women, and putting female characters in a Battlefield game it LITERALLY murdering women.

Out of curiosity, do you have any kind of source to back this up or are we supposed to take your word for it? You're speaking in very absolute terms. Because nearly all of the violence related things that I have come across regarding women in violent games regards their status as powerless victims (ie: the sex workers in Hitman or the "rape" scene in Tomb Raider). The main issue is that they are not treated the same as the male characters. Someone else brought up the example of Fallout 4. There are LOADS of female NPCs that it is possible to inflict violence upon, yet no one raised a single peep about it.

Note: Please don't link to some random nobody's single tweet. It's honestly not representative of anything, and we all know that one could find a single tweet or two that argues any position possible in the world.

 

[Gorrath]

Just because there weren't formally any women who were combatants in the war, that sure doesn't mean the game can't showcase the roles women did have. And not just for the fuck of it but to add different, interesting chapters and gameplay to the game. Sequences dealing with nurses and spies or women who were part of the fire brigade.

Moved my post from the other thread.

 

[Lightknight]

Just because there weren't formally any women who were combatants in the war, that sure doesn't mean the game can't showcase the roles women did have. And not just for the fuck of it but to add different, interesting chapters and gameplay to the game. Sequences dealing with nurses and spies or women who were part of the fire brigade.

Moved my post from the other thread.

Most people are more concerned with the multiplayer than the story. Sure, the story could do it. Even that Russian women's battalion that actually had a battle would work.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Well women don't play games anyway, especially these manly action war games. And any that do are deceiving spies trying to infiltrate the homoerotic perceived brotherhood of man to take away our balls when we least expect it, the scoundrels. Well mine are already taken! You cannot hurt my masculinity any more! It is all gone!! And now no longer a prisoner of your evil ways to live a life like a bratwurst festival free of these intimidating free-thinking types with no respect for rules and tradition.

Oh wait, nothing has happened yet, forget that testosterone coated noise...too much has been said already, They already know far more than expected...I can hear unnatural brain processes closing in fast. Must. Protect. Integrity. Losing. Faith. In. Identity. And now this is getting difficult to sustain without a coordinated brain. Poe's law is going to bite me on the arse again if I keep this up.

 

[Gorrath]

Just because there weren't formally any women who were combatants in the war, that sure doesn't mean the game can't showcase the roles women did have. And not just for the fuck of it but to add different, interesting chapters and gameplay to the game. Sequences dealing with nurses and spies or women who were part of the fire brigade.

Moved my post from the other thread.

Most people are more concerned with the multiplayer than the story. Sure, the story could do it. Even that Russian women's battalion that actually had a battle would work.

I'm not so much myself concerned with the multiplayer since there's basically no "realism" there anyway. I mean, there's every reason and plenty of ways to have women as combatants in the game, though I'd hope they'd do something more interesting than that. So if it's in the main game, why not in the multiplayer?