Feminists, we need to talk about fedoras

[Voulan]

Huh, I knew nothing of this fedora-wearing stereotype before now. I guess I don't hang out on the Internet as much as I thought.

And because of that, I can quite happily agree to not shaming fedora-wearing people. I wasn't doing it in the first place.

 

[The Lunatic]

I don't really think it's okay to mock men, or women, for their appearance, regardless of what they're wearing.


If you think it's shitty to mock a woman about her physical appearance, you should think the same when it comes to a guy.

 

[Eamar]

well this fedora hating thing mostly exists on the internet and while it is a form of cyberbullying if ones picture makes the rounds people IRL are generally amicble to people they don't know...the worst theyll do is give funny looks

You'd hope so, but as I've said in this thread I've recently seen examples of it crossing over into real life. That's why I started the thread in the first place. Fortunately, judging by the responses it seems like this is not a common occurrence (although it does lead me to wonder just what the hell is going on in my area...)

yoru dad (im assuming) is an older guy...not some 19 year old yahtzee wannabe

Indeed, but my point was that I am a young person who chose to start wearing a fedora. Being female I get a bit of a pass, but if I'd been a guy I personally know people who would have assumed the worst of me. I gave that example to prove that regardless of your assumptions, you can rarely be sure of another person's reasons for wearing something.

The fedora is bigger than a Reddit stereotype, basically. You can't just assume that everyone's even aware of this stereotype, because the vast majority of people don't frequent the same bits of the internet we do.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

It's more about what attracts a person to a Fedora.

Fedoras are, more often not, worn by someone who doesn't have a clear sense of fashion identity and it really just consists of whatever they think makes them look cool.

This can be said about absolutely any item of clothing every invented.

I would happily bet that in the 16th century someone had a conversation to the effect of "Forsooth, my good Marlowe, does not that fellow with the rotund visage look preposterous in that ruff? Methinks he is merely a slave to the fashion!"

 

[V4Viewtiful]

I don't really think it's okay to mock men, or women, for their appearance, regardless of what they're wearing.

Well that depends, you can't go around wearing something completely out of line then it's your own fault.

Anyway, I only started wearing fedora's last year, got nothing but compliments since. I guess it suits me. I was aware of the while "Fedora's are for douche's" thing for a while in college but I was just upset they ruined the look by associating with their doucheiness.

What's the phrase? "They ruin it for the rest of us"

 

[Eamar]

Maybe I hang out on the wrong corners of the Internet, but I've never seen anyone say, "Boys must stop wearing fedoras!" the way I used to hear people saying, "Girls must not wear miniskirts!" when I was growing up.

As I've said a few times in this thread, I was prompted to make this thread because of several incidents I have witnessed or been told about by friends. The cross over into real life doesn't seem to be universal however, which is a relief. Although it does raise awkward questions about my environment, I suppose.

When you chose to dress in a way that is linked with a certain subculture, if you don't like people judging you to be part of that subculture, then the onus is on you to demonstrate you aren't part of it.

Yes, but the "subculture" the fedora/trilby is associated with is only known about by people who are part of a few specific internet communities (subsets of various gaming/feminist/MRA/nerd sites). It's not like goth or punk or regular fashion, and you can't reasonably assume that any individual fedora-wearer is even remotely aware of the stereotype, because the vast majority of people just aren't. If I polled random members of the public and asked what they associated the fedora with, they'd probably either ask what a fedora is or say something out of the detectives/gangsters/"vintage"/Indiana Jones pool.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

So I'm assuming that since we're trying to establish that you shouldn't judge people for wearing a certain piece of clothing, we should also not judge guys who wear sunglasses indoors, sag their pants, wear a baseball cap sideways, wear 'Ed Hardy' or "Affliction" T-shirts, or have popped collars?

 

[Paradoxrifts]

I'm surprised by how many people think a silly internet meme is totally malicious...

That would all be down to a function of the overall mental health of the people who propagate the meme, and the people that are targeted by it.

In the end it just doesn't really matter.

Since the inception of the movement, Feminism has always fancied picking a fight with straight white men. The problem with taking the fight into the internet is that the attacks quickly become indiscriminate, and for every single white male that is made aware of how privileged they really are, easily three times as many are left alienated because they're being blamed for eating at a table that they were never invited to eat at in the first place. It's all in the nature of accumulated wealth in a Capitalist system. There will always be more poor than there are rich.

It's a right old cluster fuck of echoes in here.

 

[Eamar]

So I'm assuming that since we're trying to establish that you shouldn't judge people for wearing a certain piece of clothing, we should also not judge guys who wear sunglasses indoors, sag their pants, wear a baseball cap sideways, wear 'Ed Hardy' or "Affliction" T-shirts, or have popped collars?

(Silently) judge all you want, just don't go accusing them of being misogynists/criminals/whatever the stereotype is meant to be unless you have actual evidence of such.

 

[V4Viewtiful]

So I'm assuming that since we're trying to establish that you shouldn't judge people for wearing a certain piece of clothing, we should also not judge guys who wear sunglasses indoors, sag their pants, wear a baseball cap sideways, wear 'Ed Hardy' or "Affliction" T-shirts, or have popped collars?

What you described was a dress sense that is "Out of line"

Popping you collar on anything other than a coat or Jacket is douche 80s fashion that went out for a reason, we have to have some standards, you know? XD

 

[Vault101]

I'm surprised by how many people think a silly internet meme is totally malicious...

That would all be down to a function of the overall mental health of the people who propagate the meme, and the people that are targeted by it.

In the end it just doesn't really matter.

Since the inception of the movement, Feminism has always fancied picking a fight with straight white men. The problem with taking the fight into the internet is that the attacks quickly become indiscriminate, and for every single white male that is made aware of how privileged they really are, easily three times as many are left alienated because they're being blamed for eating at a table that they were never invited to eat at in the first place. It's all in the nature of accumulated wealth in a Capitalist system. There will always be more poor than there are rich.

It's a right old cluster fuck of echoes in here.

This doesn't seem like a PURLEY feminist issue, guys some if whom are self aware enough to know they share "fedora" traits do their fair share of "fedora shaming"

if you really want to look into it the reasons can vary (as do the types if fedora wearers) from the feminist angle fedora is synonymous with the entitled freindzone guy...alongside that the "otherside" makes fun of the rediculous "euphoric" thing

The stereotype offers something fur everyone mock across the board

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

Fedora's to me are like any other accessory, you need to know what to wear with it. It's a lot like a watch in that way. Sometimes you want to wear a digital or less fancy watch with like a graphic t-shirt or plain polo, and that looks great; but wearing a fancy watch with a graphic t-shirt looks a little odd. Now change a watch to a fedora. The fedora works if you are in a matching outfit, or if it is tailored to you--don't get me started on ill fitting Wal-Mart fedoras. It's kind of like how people will wear fingerless gloves with a t-shirt and in non-cold weather. Now, this is fine, but let's be honest hear it is a kind of strange combination. Doesn't make fingerless gloves any less useful or valid, but it does sort of undermine their purpose.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

This doesn't seem like a PURLEY feminist issue, guys some if whom are self aware enough to know they share "fedora" traits do their fair share of "fedora shaming"

if you really want to look into it the reasons can vary (as do the types if fedora wearers) from the feminist angle fedora is synonymous with the entitled freindzone guy...alongside that the "otherside" makes fun of the rediculous "euphoric" thing

The stereotype offers something fur everyone mock across the board

Welcome back, Vault101.

This material was already past its used by date at the moment of release, and since then it has only grown more stale.

Only people who do not understand humour at a fundamental level could've come up with this crap. Hence why only you only see Feminists trying to hawk this polished turd of a joke. As soon as Feminism realises that it cannot control something through subversion, it moves onto subtraction and ridicule. It's just the latest exchange of fire between predominately male-dominated libertarianism and female-dominated feminism.

We're living in the trenches of an ongoing culture war. And the only winning move is to get off the internet and start applying yourself to your real life.

 

[Vault101]

Only people who do not understand humour at a fundamental level could've come up with this crap. Hence why only you only see Feminists trying to hawk this polished turd of a joke.

as I just said this isn't true at all....its not JUAT a feminist thing ...take a look at reddit..so yeah the former applys..not so much the latter...Tumblr perhaps but again plenty of guys do it too


[quote/]As soon as Feminism realises that it cannot control something through subversion, it moves onto subtraction and ridicule. It's just the latest exchange of fire between predominately male-dominated libertarianism and female-dominated feminism.[/quote]

youre turning this into an "evil feminist" thing when it isn't

 

[Eamar]

the only winning move is to get off the internet and start applying yourself to your real life.

I may not agree with the rest of your post, but in all seriousness this is something I can get behind. This shit only crops up when people start blurring the lines between internet and real life. As I've said before, this is how tumblr happens

 

[EvilRoy]

Nah, I think you make it work. Though, I would say that pinstripes would compliment your hair color better than straight up black

Pinstripes?
Fappy, no.
Don't make me call the fashion police because I will!

Do not take this advice, unless Bugsy Malone is the look you're going for.

Pinstripe suits are having a huge resurgence in American business fashion.

Pinstripe suits with matching pinstripe fedora?
I doubt it.

No, fedoras aren't very popular in wallstreet and the like.

I was actually very surprised to see a number of pinstripe suits at my last convention thingy, and I'm not even a Wallstreet sort of business.

It doesn't look bad, but I do think the look needs to be completed with something. Its a shame fedoras/trilby's have a negative association, because the only other option I can think of is a corsage, which is a bit much for day to day.

As far as I understand it, hats just haven't been a part of corporate fashion for a very long time now (in the US, anyway). We kind of have the stigma that hats are in some way disrespectful when worn in professional/religious settings, so I imagine it has something to do with that. Honestly, we could probably do well with some hats in corporate. Most of us are fucking balding XD

Hehe, well pride can justify a little rudeness I suppose. Although at my convention the response to "where can I put my suit jacket" was typically "in your car", so even if you were willing to wear a hat indoors, I don't know what you would do with it if you wanted to take the thing off for a bit.

 

[Vault101]

Nah, I think you make it work. Though, I would say that pinstripes would compliment your hair color better than straight up black

Pinstripes?
Fappy, no.
Don't make me call the fashion police because I will!

Do not take this advice, unless Bugsy Malone is the look you're going for.

Pinstripe suits are having a huge resurgence in American business fashion.

Pinstripe suits with matching pinstripe fedora?
I doubt it.

No, fedoras aren't very popular in wallstreet and the like.

I was actually very surprised to see a number of pinstripe suits at my last convention thingy, and I'm not even a Wallstreet sort of business.

It doesn't look bad, but I do think the look needs to be completed with something. Its a shame fedoras/trilby's have a negative association, because the only other option I can think of is a corsage, which is a bit much for day to day.

As far as I understand it, hats just haven't been a part of corporate fashion for a very long time now (in the US, anyway). We kind of have the stigma that hats are in some way disrespectful when worn in professional/religious settings, so I imagine it has something to do with that. Honestly, we could probably do well with some hats in corporate. Most of us are fucking balding XD

I'm fairly sure even back then hats were not worn indoors