Fez is Coming to New Platforms

[Smooth Operator]

Well the man does indulge in trolling and has no sense of PR presence, but the game is pretty damn great so perhaps it's more important to look at the latter.

 

[MetalMagpie]

I feel sorry for the people who care more about the creator than the work, if I did that, I'd be bored as fuck. Everyone's a fucking asshole, Fez is a great game, and yes, most japanese games do indeed suck these days, and that's been a common opinion for a while now.

I think most people are more concerned about whether this problem [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118578-Update-Fez-Studio-Rereleases-Save-Corrupting-Patch] will be fixed in the ports.

Although there does seem to be a lot of hate for Phil Fish personally on this thread. He's always come across as a bit of a stuck-up asshole, but so are a lot of the people whose music I listen to!

 

[Andre Rapp]

Goddamn people have their panties in a bunch over Phil Fish. Oh no, a guy on the internet was an asshole a couple times. That never ever happens! SHAME HIM! SHAME HIM AND STEAL THE THING THAT HE MADE! THAT'LL SHOW HIM WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE HIM! Woo, Gamer culture. Yeah, he's abrasive sometimes. That just means he's a nerd.

You seem to be implying that being an ass is part of "gamer culture" and is therefore ok. There is nothing quirky, endearing, redeeming, nerdy, or in any way acceptable about being an ass, and he deserves every bit of hate he gets for it. He acts like a spoiled child in a CoD match, and is an embarrassment to the industry.

 

[BrainWalker]

Goddamn people have their panties in a bunch over Phil Fish. Oh no, a guy on the internet was an asshole a couple times. That never ever happens! SHAME HIM! SHAME HIM AND STEAL THE THING THAT HE MADE! THAT'LL SHOW HIM WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE HIM! Woo, Gamer culture. Yeah, he's abrasive sometimes. That just means he's a nerd.

You seem to be implying that being an ass is part of "gamer culture" and is therefore ok. There is nothing quirky, endearing, redeeming, nerdy, or in any way acceptable about being an ass, and he deserves every bit of hate he gets for it. He acts like a spoiled child in a CoD match, and is an embarrassment to the industry.

Are you going to tell me being an asshole ISN'T a part of gamer culture? I don't like it, but it absolutely is. It needs to change, but being an asshole to an asshole doesn't change anything. I'm not saying it's okay that he screams a bit, I'm just saying it's not that surprising, and it's a little disingenuous to castrate Phil Fish as some sort of gaming industry pariah and refuse to reward the thing he did WELL, i.e., make a really impressive game, because he has human failings.

Also, calling for piracy of his blood and sweat because he's a bit of an ass is hypocrisy of the highest magnitude. Not that you personally called for that but it is present in this thread.

 

[Rad Party God]

Yeah... I'll wait until it gets its inevitable release on the Humble Indie Bundle, and THEN, I'll give all my money to charity and the HIB staff, since I can't choose wich developers should recieve my money.

 

[Frezzato]

I watched a documentary on indie gaming, and Fez was featured in it. I liked hearing about how hard the guy had to work to make Fez, and I'm happy to hear he's enjoying a lot of success after sticking it out and getting it done.

I'll probably pick the game up on 360, myself.

I saw that too, looked like he was under a LOT of pressure. I don't know if knowing about his personal rants would change my mind either way with buying Fez. On the other hand I was pretty happy to see the Super Meat Boy developers start making money. Regarding the documentary, I would have appreciated hearing Fish's ex-business partner's point of view.

 

[deathbydeath]

and (in reply to a question on his opinion of japanese games):

your games just suck

your country's games are f*** terrible nowadays

Ah, that. That was glorious. I mean, the guy's got a point. By and large, Japanese games haven't exactly been on top of the world recently, and Fish wasn't wrong in that regard. Funny though, how a bunch of Japanese game dev's started agreeing with him after that.

 

[Jennacide]

Phil Fish, author of such memorable material as:

Yes, how dare he be an ass to someone who is calling him an arrogant shmuck, how dare he act human!

and (in reply to a question on his opinion of japanese games):

your games just suck

your country's games are f*** terrible nowadays

Actually the question was "what do you think of modern japanese games", and those two quotes were also taken out of context, and it also completely ignores the fact he provided good reasons, and was not the only member at the panel who thought that. He also apologized after answering the question if he sounded rude because he acknowledged his speaking skills aren't the best and the way he phrases things aren't the best.
EDIT: Also just noticed, your second quote was part of a tweet from him later, though you conveniently left out the part where he said "Sorry japanese guy, I was a bit rough".

Please stop trying to defend the asshole. There is a difference between having an argument with someone that insulted you or disagreed with you, like Cliffy B versus Jim Sterling, but it never resorted to grade school threads like "suck on my dick, choke on it." Fish is notorious for this kind of shit. For even more insight, watch Indie Game: The Movie. The parts with Edmund and Tommy show real human beings struggling, Jon Blow being a confident but not dickish indie dev, and then show Phil Fish being a whiney, petulant child.

The community has every right to hate him, after all the ego, douchey comments, and homophobic slurs. (Most of which he removed from his twitter by now) Fish has made one game that isn't good at anything it does, but is so pretenious that journalists ate it up. It's a game that is 90% "figure out this stupid ARG I made online, then press shoulder buttons ingame to contine." If I want to play a game about ARGs, I'll play more Secret World, at least there is a fucking logic to the investigations.

 

[schmulki]

I look forward to Fez being in the next Humble Indie Bundle, a place it was destined for.

 

[Jennacide]

Goddamn people have their panties in a bunch over Phil Fish. Oh no, a guy on the internet was an asshole a couple times. That never ever happens! SHAME HIM! SHAME HIM AND STEAL THE THING THAT HE MADE! THAT'LL SHOW HIM WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE HIM! Woo, Gamer culture. Yeah, he's abrasive sometimes. That just means he's a nerd.

You seem to be implying that being an ass is part of "gamer culture" and is therefore ok. There is nothing quirky, endearing, redeeming, nerdy, or in any way acceptable about being an ass, and he deserves every bit of hate he gets for it. He acts like a spoiled child in a CoD match, and is an embarrassment to the industry.

Are you going to tell me being an asshole ISN'T a part of gamer culture? I don't like it, but it absolutely is. It needs to change, but being an asshole to an asshole doesn't change anything. I'm not saying it's okay that he screams a bit, I'm just saying it's not that surprising, and it's a little disingenuous to castrate Phil Fish as some sort of gaming industry pariah and refuse to reward the thing he did WELL, i.e., make a really impressive game, because he has human failings.

Also, calling for piracy of his blood and sweat because he's a bit of an ass is hypocrisy of the highest magnitude. Not that you personally called for that but it is present in this thread.

Here's the problem with your arguement: Being a dick online may be a part of "gamer culture," but it is not a part of DEVELOPER culture. Just because someone may act like an idiot on XBLA doesn't give the right to a game developer to lash out at anyone he likes. Find me another dev that does this, besides John Romero who killed his career doing this.

 

[MPerce]

Goddamn people have their panties in a bunch over Phil Fish. Oh no, a guy on the internet was an asshole a couple times. That never ever happens! SHAME HIM! SHAME HIM AND STEAL THE THING THAT HE MADE! THAT'LL SHOW HIM WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE HIM! Woo, Gamer culture. Yeah, he's abrasive sometimes. That just means he's a nerd.

Also, Fez was first announced way back in 2007. Sky Island, as far as I am aware, was released in 2011, which in case you're not aware, came after 2007. Sky Island is also much simpler and smaller in scope. To suggest that Fez is a "Sky Island clone" is laughable. Once Sky Island has a characters, a plot, stages big enough that you can't see it all on one screen, and puzzles that had me getting out a pad of paper for the first time in a decade, maybe then you can compare the two. You might as well say that Super Mario Brothers was a Great Giana Sisters clone.

Fez is glitchy, though. I can't argue against that. I never ran into the save-corrupting bug but Fez is a big enough game that I certainly wouldn't be happy to lose all my progress. I can understand the frustration of gamers here, but I can also understand the frustration of a small developer being charged more than they can afford for the... I don't know, privileged of being able to patch their software on XBLA? Microsoft's policies seem a little backwards here. Seems like Polytron was facing a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario. We don't really have the whole story, so I can't comment too much, and it is true that other indie games have been patched. I think I read somewhere that you get one patch for free and after that it's going to cost you. A lot, apparently. So, there's a pretty good chance this bug won't exist when the game is ported to PC.

Also, "Japanese games suck" is certainly not the most eloquent way to state it, but it shouldn't be that controversial a statement in a time when the industry in Japan is saying essentially the same thing.

Rationality? ON THE INTERNET???

Get out of here, you freak.

I, for one, will be happy to finally pick up Fez on PC. I've never met Mr. Fish, and am not qualified to judge him based on some things he's said on the Internet. If I were to do that, then everyone on the planet, including myself, is an unforgivable asshole who deserves nothing but hate and sadness.

And even if I were to decide he's a jerk, that doesn't matter to me. He made a good product. I pay money for good products. If everyone refused to buy things from people because those people are dicks, than the economy would collapse again.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

And even if I were to decide he's a jerk, that doesn't matter to me. He made a good product. I pay money for good products. If everyone refused to buy things from people because those people are dicks, than the economy would collapse again.

I got to admit, there is truth to that there, while I can't say I like the developer from everything I have heard up to this point, you are right in this regard.

However, I think it is important that people do try at least get a glimpse of the person behind any product, because it shows a lack of ignorance when doing so. Being informed and making a purchase decision based on what the person is like that makes a piece a entertainment is also a good thing, say the person is a known racist or something similar, would you want to give your money to someone like that if they view you, or people you know that way? I know I wouldn't.

 

[MPerce]

I got to admit, there is truth to that there, while I can't say I like the developer from everything I have heard up to this point, you are right in this regard.

However, I think it is important that people do try at least get a glimpse of the person behind any product, because it shows a lack of ignorance when doing so. Being informed and making a purchase decision based on what the person is like that makes a piece a entertainment is also a good thing, say the person is a known racist or something similar, would you want to give your money to someone like that if they view you, or people you know that way? I know I wouldn't.

Good point. That was the issue the whole Chik-Fil-A Hates the Gays thing: do I want to buy something from someone who views some of my closest friends as freaks who need to be changed? I and many of my gay friends concluded that it's okay to still buy the product because a tasty chicken sandwich represents just that: a tasty chicken sandwich. We can fight social inequality in other, more effective ways than boycotting a restaurant. Right now, we're hungry.

That's how I feel about Fez (of course, it's not as high stakes, but you get the idea). In my eyes, Fez represents a good game, not the creator's human failings. If people feel they can't separate the two, that's cool. It's the consumer's choice.

I just felt that this thread was becoming a little too much of a "burn the witch because he said mean things!" thread. He really needs to work on his PR, but so do a lot people.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

I got to admit, there is truth to that there, while I can't say I like the developer from everything I have heard up to this point, you are right in this regard.

However, I think it is important that people do try at least get a glimpse of the person behind any product, because it shows a lack of ignorance when doing so. Being informed and making a purchase decision based on what the person is like that makes a piece a entertainment is also a good thing, say the person is a known racist or something similar, would you want to give your money to someone like that if they view you, or people you know that way? I know I wouldn't.

Good point. That was the issue the whole Chik-Fil-A Hates the Gays thing: do I want to buy something from someone who views some of my closest friends as freaks who need to be changed? I and many of my gay friends concluded that it's okay to still buy the product because a tasty chicken sandwich represents just that: a tasty chicken sandwich. We can fight social inequality in other, more effective ways than boycotting a restaurant. Right now, we're hungry.

That's how I feel about Fez (of course, it's not as high stakes, but you get the idea). In my eyes, Fez represents a good game, not the creator's human failings. If people feel they can't separate the two, that's cool. It's the consumer's choice.

I just felt that this thread was becoming a little too much of a "burn the witch because he said mean things!" thread. He really needs to work on his PR, but so do a lot people.

I think it's more applicable to entertainment products, because they are something you don't need to live, but I see you point.

 

[Beautiful End]

I saw how hard he worked on fez on indie Game: The Movie. It was pretty much a one-man job. So even if the guy is a prick, I'm glad for him. Because let's face it, the game IS fun and it's pretty original. And up until today, i don't see Fez reflecting his prick-like attitude. It's a pretty mellow game so it doesn't affect me.

Heck, i prefer having a good game done by a prick than a crap game made by a saint. Then I'd just like it out of pity.

Now, the dilemma is: Should I get it for the 360 or wait for it to come out for my favorite console, the PS3?

 

[charge52]

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Please stop trying to defend the asshole. There is a difference between having an argument with someone that insulted you or disagreed with you, like Cliffy B versus Jim Sterling, but it never resorted to grade school threads like "suck on my dick, choke on it."

He wasn't having an argument, he was simply responding to someone who was being an ass to him, one of the thousands of people who were using various insults almost none of them justified. When your constantly getting bombarded by hate, responding with aggression is to be expected, and it doesn't make him an asshole.

Fish is notorious for this kind of shit. For even more insight, watch Indie Game: The Movie. The parts with Edmund and Tommy show real human beings struggling, Jon Blow being a confident but not dickish indie dev, and then show Phil Fish being a whiney, petulant child.

I did watch Indie Game : The movie, and Phil Fish most of the time was putting up with shit tons of pressure and problems, and the only time one could even consider him being whiny was when legal problems could have prevented him from showing that the last 4 years hadn't been a complete waste of fucking time.

The community has every right to hate him, after all the ego, douchey comments, and homophobic slurs. (Most of which he removed from his twitter by now) Fish has made one game that isn't good at anything it does, but is so pretenious that journalists ate it up. It's a game that is 90% "figure out this stupid ARG I made online, then press shoulder buttons ingame to contine." If I want to play a game about ARGs, I'll play more Secret World, at least there is a fucking logic to the investigations.

Gee, how convenient that they are removed from twitter, and as such apparently completely removed from the internet. It's a good game, and even if you didn't enjoy it, that doesn't make him pretentious. I still haven't seen anything that makes Phil Fish an "asshole", "pretentious", "whiny" or a "petulant child".
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He hasn't said it's coming out on PC, just that it's coming to new platforms, so it could simply be getting a PS3 port. Even if it does come out on PC, that doesn't make him a hypocrite, it just means that someone said something that made him reconsider and change his mind.