Final Fantasy VII's popularity

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Probably because of the step up it was from pixels. Watching FMV cutscenes for the first time is really breathtaking when done well. Your complaints are personal preference, really. Some people like it, some hate it. I actually haven't played it, and I'm pretty sure that even if I like it, I'll leave feeling that it is massively over-hyped.
 

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I still don't understand why that game made the PS so popular. What's so great about FFVII? The story was convoluted and even to this day fans still linger about what the "meaning" or "interpretation" is, and to me that doesn't make a good story. A good story is suppose to be easy to follow and interested in, while making you feel. The only time I felt something other than boredom from that game was when Aerith died, but even then the constant grinding only eventually made me forget that I'm suppose to know that Sephiroth is 'suppose' to be ruthless.

I guess that's the heart of the problem with a lot of JRPGs. Constant grinding, constant long almost histronic text, uncompelling cookie-cut out characters, really detracts you from why you should give a damn. The only game I know that does the minutiae of grinding right was Persona 4 (as hard that is to believe). FFVII just does so many things wrong, bad story telling, the boredom issue, generic characters, that I just don't understand why it's so popular! Oh and don't get me started on the angst.



To me FFVI and FFX had better dialog (excuse the embarrassingly bad laughing scene) and I finished both games without pausing to grind constantly in order to advance the story. Kefka is a much more compelling villian etctectetc. I guess what I'm trying to get at is this:

FFVII's popularity: WHY!?

What really compels you to like this game? Why do you think others like it? Blahblah.

How was the story hard to follow? the only bit thats convoluted is everything they added to the game AFTER if came out. Dont get me wrong im not aattacking you, i just thought the story was very clear. multi-faceted and GLORIOUS, but still quite clear.


also, who cried about aeris? I never understood why so many people liked her. I HATED aeris. I wanted her to die so badly. then she did. I was glad.


anyway, for me, the reason this game was so great is how REAL it seemed. Not realistic, of course not (i dont recall walking down the street and being attack by chimeras and robot houses), but the human element seemed very real to me. Plus, i love how very, very black the story gets where sephiroth is concerned.
 

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I really find it hard to take any post with "FF" then a following number.

I never got into the genre, tried once, got so bored I never looked back.

Its the perfect example of getting the most fans, with the least amount of effort and work.
and the general defense is "Well number ___ was great!" as if it makes up for the 20 other ones.
Clearly you don't belong in this thread.

There are good FF games and bad FF games. but if you dont like RPG's at all, you really won't bring anything relivant to this thread to the table so go away.

FF7 was good. as people before mentioned it had depth and FMV I think thats what put it into the hearts of others. SEEING aerith get knifed after watching her and cloud practally fall in love was hard. I personally prefer the story of ff3 (snes) Its way more in depth, but it didnt reach out and grab you as much because it was pixely and lacked cut scenes. FF7 ushered in a new age of "personal" gaming. I really got into parasite eve and the second installment of the chrono series, Chrono cross. You dont have to like It to appreiciate what it did for the genere. FF7 has influenced the games you actually do like in some way. WIth this being said I absolutly HATE the halo series. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. But I can not deny that halo brought about changes to FPS gaming on consoles that still reverberate throughout some of my favorite games today. So for that I give it props.

You don't have to like it, but dont hate on it.
 

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xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Since every Final Fantasy is completely different from the prior one (With the exception of X-2, which is to this day, the only direct sequel to a Final Fantasy title) that comparisons are bound to be thrown about every now and then.
is not, you silly man. Dirge of Cerberus happened. and it made me sad, even if Weiss did look awesome
 

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8-Bit_Jack said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Since every Final Fantasy is completely different from the prior one (With the exception of X-2, which is to this day, the only direct sequel to a Final Fantasy title) that comparisons are bound to be thrown about every now and then.
is not, you silly man. Dirge of Cerberus happened. and it made me sad, even if Weiss did look awesome
Everytime I am reminded of Dirge of Cerberus, I hastily rush to go hold my copy of Crisis Core.
Speaking of which.. where in the hell did that little bugger get to?

I suppose you're right, but didn't Dirge take place BEFORE the events of FF7?
So that's technically a prequel ;)
Corrected by -Seraph-

[small]Unless, of course, I am wrong. In which case my entire theory will be debunked, and I will enter a mad rage.[/small]
 

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Digitaldreamer7 said:
Mcface said:
I really find it hard to take any post with "FF" then a following number.

I never got into the genre, tried once, got so bored I never looked back.

Its the perfect example of getting the most fans, with the least amount of effort and work.
and the general defense is "Well number ___ was great!" as if it makes up for the 20 other ones.
Clearly you don't belong in this thread.

There are good FF games and bad FF games. but if you dont like RPG's at all, you really won't bring anything relivant to this thread to the table so go away.

FF7 was good. as people before mentioned it had depth and FMV I think thats what put it into the hearts of others. SEEING aerith get knifed after watching her and cloud practally fall in love was hard. I personally prefer the story of ff3 (snes) Its way more in depth, but it didnt reach out and grab you as much because it was pixely and lacked cut scenes. FF7 ushered in a new age of "personal" gaming. I really got into parasite eve and the second installment of the chrono series, Chrono cross. You dont have to like It to appreiciate what it did for the genere. FF7 has influenced the games you actually do like in some way. WIth this being said I absolutly HATE the halo series. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. But I can not deny that halo brought about changes to FPS gaming on consoles that still reverberate throughout some of my favorite games today. So for that I give it props.

You don't have to like it, but dont hate on it.
I enjoy RPGS, I dont enjoy generic copies shat out every few years.
 

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xxhazyshadowsxx said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Since every Final Fantasy is completely different from the prior one (With the exception of X-2, which is to this day, the only direct sequel to a Final Fantasy title) that comparisons are bound to be thrown about every now and then.
is not, you silly man. Dirge of Cerberus happened. and it made me sad, even if Weiss did look awesome
Everytime I am reminded of Dirge of Cerberus, I hastily rush to go hold my copy of Crisis Core.
Speaking of which.. where in the hell did that little bugger get to?

I suppose you're right, but didn't Dirge take place BEFORE the events of FF7?
So that's technically a prequel ;)

[small]Unless, of course, I am wrong. In which case my entire theory will be debunked, and I will enter a mad rage.[/small]
Actually....DoC took place 3 years after FF7...thats of coarse if you are being serious and not just joking. Crisis Core and Before Crisis are the two prequels to FF7 whilst every other game takes place after.
 

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-Seraph- said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Since every Final Fantasy is completely different from the prior one (With the exception of X-2, which is to this day, the only direct sequel to a Final Fantasy title) that comparisons are bound to be thrown about every now and then.
is not, you silly man. Dirge of Cerberus happened. and it made me sad, even if Weiss did look awesome
Everytime I am reminded of Dirge of Cerberus, I hastily rush to go hold my copy of Crisis Core.
Speaking of which.. where in the hell did that little bugger get to?

I suppose you're right, but didn't Dirge take place BEFORE the events of FF7?
So that's technically a prequel ;)

[small]Unless, of course, I am wrong. In which case my entire theory will be debunked, and I will enter a mad rage.[/small]
Actually....DoC took place 3 years after FF7...thats of coarse if you are being serious and not just joking. Crisis Core and Before Crisis are the two prequels to FF7 whilst every other game takes place after.
*Initiate Kill-mode*
Kidding :)
Thanks for the insight about DoC, though.
 

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xxhazyshadowsxx said:
-Seraph- said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Since every Final Fantasy is completely different from the prior one (With the exception of X-2, which is to this day, the only direct sequel to a Final Fantasy title) that comparisons are bound to be thrown about every now and then.
is not, you silly man. Dirge of Cerberus happened. and it made me sad, even if Weiss did look awesome
Everytime I am reminded of Dirge of Cerberus, I hastily rush to go hold my copy of Crisis Core.
Speaking of which.. where in the hell did that little bugger get to?

I suppose you're right, but didn't Dirge take place BEFORE the events of FF7?
So that's technically a prequel ;)

[small]Unless, of course, I am wrong. In which case my entire theory will be debunked, and I will enter a mad rage.[/small]
Actually....DoC took place 3 years after FF7...thats of coarse if you are being serious and not just joking. Crisis Core and Before Crisis are the two prequels to FF7 whilst every other game takes place after.
*Initiate Kill-mode*
Kidding :)
Thanks for the insight about DoC, though.
What....the destroyed Midgar and dead hojo didn't give it away >_> Grant it I wouldn't mind seeing another well done prequel detailing the deeds of vincent (or other turks) or seeing AVELANCH's earlier endeavors.
 

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I think the basic reason is that pretty much everything you said about it is dead wrong. The story was convoluted, yes, but not in the bad "I can't figure out what the heck is going on" sort of way. The reason people still discuss the meaning is the same reason they still discuss classic literature like The Odyssey: because it's more complex than a simple fairytale. The characters were really deep and complex, and almost all of them had a special place in my heart by the time I finished the game (with the exception of Yuffie and Cait Sith... mostly Cait Sith). The battle system was good, the materia magic system was absolute genius, and the soundtrack still stands out as one of the best gaming has ever seen.

As for the grinding, welcome to the world of JRPGs. If you liked VI and X, there is no reason for you to complain about VII: all Final Fantasy games have a level of grinding in them. Go play IV, then tell me VII grinds a lot.

Point is, Final Fantasy VII is a great game that tells a glorious story with well-developed characters. That is why people liked it. If you didn't enjoy it, that's fine: each to his own opinion. Even if it's wrong. :p
 

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-Seraph- said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
-Seraph- said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Since every Final Fantasy is completely different from the prior one (With the exception of X-2, which is to this day, the only direct sequel to a Final Fantasy title) that comparisons are bound to be thrown about every now and then.
is not, you silly man. Dirge of Cerberus happened. and it made me sad, even if Weiss did look awesome
Everytime I am reminded of Dirge of Cerberus, I hastily rush to go hold my copy of Crisis Core.
Speaking of which.. where in the hell did that little bugger get to?

I suppose you're right, but didn't Dirge take place BEFORE the events of FF7?
So that's technically a prequel ;)

[small]Unless, of course, I am wrong. In which case my entire theory will be debunked, and I will enter a mad rage.[/small]
Actually....DoC took place 3 years after FF7...thats of coarse if you are being serious and not just joking. Crisis Core and Before Crisis are the two prequels to FF7 whilst every other game takes place after.
*Initiate Kill-mode*
Kidding :)
Thanks for the insight about DoC, though.
What....the destroyed Midgar and dead hojo didn't give it away >_> Grant it I wouldn't mind seeing another well done prequel detailing the deeds of vincent (or other turks) or seeing AVELANCH's earlier endeavors.
I only played Dirge once at a friend's house. So I would of had no idea about story elements ;D

As for prequels: Crisis Core was pretty good, yet I cannot comment on Before Crisis. That ran for about 20 episodes, right? Would certainly be an interesting viewing.
 

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It came out for the PS1 and was the first RPG I had ever played, also I was eight and it had lots of colours.
 

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xxhazyshadowsxx said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Since every Final Fantasy is completely different from the prior one (With the exception of X-2, which is to this day, the only direct sequel to a Final Fantasy title) that comparisons are bound to be thrown about every now and then.
is not, you silly man. Dirge of Cerberus happened. and it made me sad, even if Weiss did look awesome
Everytime I am reminded of Dirge of Cerberus, I hastily rush to go hold my copy of Crisis Core.
Speaking of which.. where in the hell did that little bugger get to?

I suppose you're right, but didn't Dirge take place BEFORE the events of FF7?
So that's technically a prequel ;)
Corrected by -Seraph-

[small]Unless, of course, I am wrong. In which case my entire theory will be debunked, and I will enter a mad rage.[/small]

good lord no. it took place 3 years Aafter FFVII, which makes it all the weirder since vincent stopped being all mopey on disk 2 or early 3.



EDIT: oh no! i've been beten to this response!
 

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Well, I've never actually played a Final Fantasy game, but I can only assume it has a lot to do with nostalgia for many gamers. It was the first adventure/action/RPG game for a lot of Western gamers, and I think that causes it to hold a special place in their hearts.

For example, Spyro the Dragon obviously isn't the greatest game ever: it's simplistic, repetitive, and obvious. But I still love it thanks to nostalgia (and the fact that everything else about it IS freaking amazing).
 

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I came from games like Secret of Mana from the SNES, and then... BAM!!!
Full screen pre rendered cinematics, 3 (Yes, THREE!) dimensional and my first FF game.
As far as I know Nintendo never released any of the FF games in the Netherlands, so FF VII on PC was the first. And the best! Final Fantasy 8 had lame battles and Final Fantasy 9 bored me at 75%.

Since then I did finish all of my (J)RPG's, so I hope to see a return to form with 13.
Altho I doubt that, since I don't like the trailer one bit.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, and it has an epic story. Maybe you couldn't relate to their teenage like angst, but I was 13 at the time and could :p
[fanboy]And it has Sephiroth!!!! YAYYYYY!!! [/fanboy]
 

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Zeithri said:
NotAProdigy said:
I still don't understand why that game made the PS so popular. What's so great about FFVII? The story was convoluted and even to this day fans still linger about what the "meaning" or "interpretation" is, and to me that doesn't make a good story. A good story is suppose to be easy to follow and interested in, while making you feel. The only time I felt something other than boredom from that game was when Aerith died, but even then the constant grinding only eventually made me forget that I'm suppose to know that Sephiroth is 'suppose' to be ruthless.

I guess that's the heart of the problem with a lot of JRPGs. Constant grinding, constant long almost histronic text, uncompelling cookie-cut out characters, really detracts you from why you should give a damn. The only game I know that does the minutiae of grinding right was Persona 4 (as hard that is to believe). FFVII just does so many things wrong, bad story telling, the boredom issue, generic characters, that I just don't understand why it's so popular! Oh and don't get me started on the angst.



To me FFIV and FFX had better dialog (excuse the embarrassingly bad laughing scene) and I finished both games without pausing to grind constantly in order to advance the story. Kefka is a much more compelling villian etctectetc. I guess what I'm trying to get at is this:

FFVII's popularity: WHY!?
I think you should watch Gametrailer's retrospective of it.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/part-v-final-fantasy/23449

And oh, because it's Good.
Personally, I have an much larger love for Final Fantasy 1, but 7 is love as well.
All right I conceed It does sound epic, but I am not going to do it any greater favor then not wishing it ill unless they actually release a version for PS3. Because no matter how good it may be. I cannot look past that level of pixelation.
 

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I hadn't played FFVII until about 2 years ago. I missed the PS FF titles because I never owned the system, eventually playing 9 and 7. Still can't find a cheap enough copy of 8. Anyhow, the impression I had wasn't too marred by spoilers except for the obvious one, so I consider my experience rather clean.

I thought it was a great game. It has its soap-operalikey/weird moments, and the storyline isn't explained to a real degree, but it had some great interactions, strong characters, lovely animation, the FMVs were done pretty well, and overall it was effective.

Now almost any RPG storyline requires suspension of belief, so the storyline here has room to be weird. The characters were one of the biggest reasons to love the game. I actually related a lot to Tifa. My boyfriend actually told me that I reminded him of her, not just in looks but in overall personality. I found that to be true when I played. My hair was even down to my thighs back when he met me, but no dolphin tail. Other characters grow during the game and have rich stories that endeared them to me in various ways (except for Yuffie and Cait Sith). Despite knowing it was coming, I still cried when Aeris died because of the way character development was handled. One of my favorite pieces of game music comes from FFVII - Cosmo Canyon - and the scene with Seto and Nanaki is probably one of the most poignant I've experienced. Even the minor characters were pretty interesting and memorable.

That said, the game does have its doses of cheese, but they are enjoyable. Probably least enjoyable was that darn snowboarding minigame for someone used to today's graphics and controls. An RPG can't be all darkness, and I didn't feel the silliness went over the top.

The whole final battle has held up well in the sparking of adrenaline. It was thrilling.

Sure, there's a grind and there are many things to search for and unlock, but it's all par for the course. I'm a Final Fantasy fan from the Nintendo days so my experience was through the eyes of a 20-something, not a kid. I have played some of the older games and X, X-2 (not XII yet, but I plan to after I dent my gaming backlog a bit). In any case, knowing all the hype going in, I expected to maybe find it overrated, but I didn't.
 

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Quick rundown of FF games

1) The first one I played, and one of the first 3 games I ever played (others were Mario1 and Zelda1) Essentially my first RPG ever, and I still really like the game for what it is. Very simple, classic gameplay, challenging (original version), and pre-internet difficult to finish at times. Basic plot, and you are the characters.

2) First played it with FF1 port on PS1. Little more plot than the first. Supporting Characters are more interesting than the main 4. Villian actually has a bigger role than the first. Combat system rewards you for beating yourself in the head repeatedly.

3) Played it on DS. Copy paste everything from FF1 minus the charm, adding a job system that sucks, and you fight some dark cloud of evil or something. YAWN

4) This holds a place in my heart that I suppose those a couple years younger have for FF7. The plot is engaging. There are actual twists which were novel at the time. All the characters were cool, and so were the villians. Full of little secrets and tricks, and difficult. The lunar subterrain is pretty much hell, with optional uberbosses as icing on top. You had characters die, and cared about them. Even if only two stayed that way.

5) Played on PS1 after 7,8, and 9. Interesting plot, much nore light hearted (i.e fewer causualties) and some funny moments. Good job system with some pretty interesting potential combos....that mean nothing at the end when you just spam Gil toss and dual cast. Nothing special.

6) Played after ff4, because in the US its FF3 not 6. I love everything about this game. Easily my favorite RPG ever...or possibly tied with Chrono Trigger. Anyone that loves FF7 and plays this game for the first time should at least appreciate the amount of detail that went into it even if they hate it. I love the music. Even today it still sounds good (to me) when compared to fully orchestrated stuff. And if you have ever heard the Black Mages perform stuff from FF6 WITH a full orchestra its even better. I'm a huge Amano fan, and his art style is more present in this game than in earlier ones. The cast is a bit larger than your average FF game, and some like Umaro and Gogo have nothing to do with the plot, but you end up like them anyways. Arguably this is the only real flaw in the game. Since in theory you only need 3 characters to finish the game, you may argue that development would be rather shallow. Since I'm a fan, I can't really argue the point too well. I do know that Kefka is the greatest, funniest, jokerlike villan we will ever probably see in a FF game. Or RPGs in general. Plot is excellant, and the ending isn't really all that happy. The villan kinda wins halfaway through the game. Which is more than Sephiroth ever acompolished.

7) Looks like ass. Low low polygon counts. Clipping issues. Shitty translation with numerous errors. Graphics aside though, I hate the characters. Yes even Vincent, and especially Cait Sith and Cid. Red 13 and Yuffie were cool though. The villans were boring. Sephiroth has mommy issues. The plot took 2 playthroughs for me to get that Sephiroth was a clone of himself, and Cloud was a clone of Zack kinda. Perhaps the long and needlessly complicated "dress cloud up like a whore" minigame soured my opinion early on. But I went on to kill emerald and ruby and get my gold chocobo and KotR because at the time I fooled myself that I liked it. It was the entire reason I got a PS1 inthe first place and it cost a lot of money for me at the time. Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus redeemed the cast in my eyes completely though.

8)Initially I hated the Junction system. Love the cast, especially Zell and Quistis. So I use them and Squall through as much as possible. Blue mages are may favs. If they happen to use a whip, wear glasses, and dress like a dominatrix/schoolteacher then...what was I talking about. The plot is great, and the parts with Laguna are very cool. The opening and ending movies are some of the best in the series. And despite the final boss coming from nowhere Seifer is the best villian of the PS1 trilogy. After playing 8 I realized just how much I really hated 7. The card minigame rocked.

9) Except for Vivi, Steiner, and Beatrix the cast sucked. I used Freya and Amarant whenever possible. Plot was okay. Villans actually made me want Sephiroth back. Summons were cool. Card minigame sucked, in no small part due to them not telling you the rules.

10) Good game. Decent plot. Likable cast. Used Lulu, Rikku, and Auron exclusivley. Would have used Khimari if he wasn't a lesser version of any other character. First in the series I didn't buy. Since this means I beat it in 2 rentals, you can probably tell just how linear it is. I did buy X-2 though and really liked it for th emost part. Great job system. Less linear since you can fly at the beginning. More interesting antagonists. Prefer Lulu to Paine overwhelmingly though.

11) never gonna play

12) Awesome. Beautiful. Different battle system, but works. Plot worthy of FF tactics. Great art style, intersting take on old monsters. Lots of new ones. Excellant cast, that actually contribute to the plot and get reasons for their actions. Insane optional bosses I'll never beat. Wish there was more back story with Fran and Balthier

13) So far I really hate the battle theme, but the characters seem interesting. Don't know a thing about the story an dplan to keep it that way if possible.
 

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I was, I think, 6 or 7 when it came out. I'm not a FFVII fanboy. Though I enjoy it, generally speaking. As time goes on, I played more FF games, enjoyed different ones besides 7. I REALLY like IV and VI. Anyone who thinks Sephiroth is better than Kefka needs a history lesson.