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thejboy88

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A while ago I posted an Escapist forum regarding my feelings towards the kinds of villains we usually get in video games.

Today I want to talk more specifically about the villains presented to us in the Final Fantasy. We will be looking at examples of what I think are good villains, as well as bad ones. And yes, we will be discussing THAT villain as well.

Just a warning, this thread will contain spoiler information. You have been warned.

First, a good villain. I stated in my aforementioned post that good villains should in some way have heroic or admirable qualities to them. The FF villain which embodies this concept most would be the god-like being Venat, from FF XII. This is a character who motivations are to free humankind from the influence of the pantheon of gods known as the Occuria, of which Venat is one. It?s reasoning is that humankind should be in charge if it?s own destiny rather than be controlled by higher beings who have no real stake in the events of the mortal world. This, I think, is a very likeable and admirable quality to this character. The only villainous thing about him/her is that the way it carries out this plan is by siding with a group of humans whose methods involve massive wars and who oppose the main heroes, so it is a villain largely by association only. Still, if it was not for it?s choice of allies, I would be rooting for Venat.

Now a bad villain. Now just to clarify, a bad villain is someone who I consider to have little to no motivation whatsoever for doing the villainous things they do. ?Evil for evil?s sake? is a good phrase to keep in mind when considering bad villains. They may be imposing, threatening and a legitimate challenge for the hero to overcome, but if there?s no justification behind it, they?re still bad villains. The best example of this sort of villain in a FF game would be Ultimecia from FF VIII. This is a bad villain because her motives are completely unrealistic and confusing. Her goal was to become an all powerful god by destroying reality and time and becoming the only living thing in existence. That is just about the most confusing, convoluted and ridiculous plan ever put to script. Not only that but her character is just a cliché over-the-top villain, with the dialogue to match, you know the usual ?the world will soon be mine? type stuff. This is about as shallow, unjustified and annoying as a FF villain can get.

And now the part I?ve been dreading. I knew long before I decided to write this article that this character in particular would get me some scorn. This character is from a game that has become so revered amongst gamers, that it has become virtually impervious to any form of criticism. Any attempt to do so frequently results in angry forum rant, which I hope to avoid this time round. It?s time to talk about Sephiroth from FFVII.

This is a character who never struck me as a good villain. His motives, both that of the real Sephiroth and the Jenova-created image of him, never made much sense. The original character went mad when he found out he was the product of scientific experimentation and proceeded to destroy the home town of the main protagonist. OK, a revelation like that might screw anyone up, I admit that. But his descent into madness, and the slaughter which followed, is completely counter to his backstory was a famous war hero. Even if he wasn?t born naturally, he would still be loved by the people and lead a fulfilling life. This is proved by Cloud?s reaction to the revelation, as he still looked upto him regardless of his origins. The other Sephiroth you see throughout the game (which will be referred to as Sephiroth despite not really being him) just wants to destroy all life on earth to become an all-powerful being, much like Ultimecia. So again, a bad villain.

However, FF VII did have some good villains. The leaders of the SHIN-RA corporation struck me as far more believable as antagonists of the game. True, they may have embodied certain stereotypes of greedy multi-national corporations that we?ve seen a thousand times before, but they do have several redeemable and even likeable qualities. Characters like the Turks who despite being henchmen of the company, help the heroes and prove as capable allies on a number of occasions. Also, the main company executives, like Rufus, go to great lengths to stop the destruction of the world by Sephiroth. In fact, now that I think about it, they were far more effective at halting his plans than the heroes were on several occasions. Like enabling the main heroes to ultimately get to Sephiroth?s final location, or defeating Ruby Weapon. Had they been the only antagonistic force, the multinational quasi-government quasi-military corporation and it?s secret agent followers, VII might have been a better game for me, and is certainly why I?ve always felt that the earliest part of the games (upto leaving Midgar for the first time) were the best parts of the game as far as the story goes. Because someone in the position of a business leader at least has legitimate reasons for doing the morally dubious things they do. We may not agree, but they are at least legitimate.

That?s my take on Final Fantasy villains. I hope you enjoyed reading and I hope even more that people will not try to skewer me over daring to criticise something about FF VII.
 

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I was hoping you'd touch a bit on every villain throughout the series. But i will have to add in Kefka as a candidate for discussion.
 

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I'm no FF7 fanboy or anything, but I have a problem with your reasoning for Sephiroth.

Your reasoning for Sephiroth being a bad villain is....not entirely true or just very shallow. A lot of those "negative" aspects you stated are things you didn't fully flesh out.

His decent into madness and slaughter isn't counter to his back story. YES, he was considered a hero by the people and he was also a very admirable person, BUT he found out he was nothing but a tool of war and created as such. He had little choice in the matter, and he was saised as such thus stealing his very childhood and life.

Also you forgot to mention the fact that the reports he found led him to beleive he was the last of a race of beings that were pretty much wiped out 1000s of years ago. Of course he wasn't a cetra, but the misguided scientific reports on JENOVA led him and many scientists to believe he was a cetra. He felt that human kind had betrayed his race and they were the sole reason that they dies and and thus he held a grudge against human kind. He didn't care if he was admired by all because as far as he was concerned, his entire life was a lie and from that point on, he wanted to return the former glory of the cetra.

"You should have ruled this planet. You were stronger, smarter. But then they came, those inferior dullards...They came and took this planet away from you."

"You ignorant traitor" pretty much sums up his feelings on that matter.

His plan wasn't even that convoluted or dumb at all. Injure the planet enough to the point where it would focus all its enrgy at the wound in order to heal it, he would be there at the center of it all to absorb the lifestream and become a god, thus having to power to rein over all and even create his own paradise. And not to mention, his mind was also fucked up due to the influence of JENOVA as well. So all of his madness in hatred was also due to JENOVA being a catalyst.

JENOVA is hardly a bad villain because she doesn't have a lot of depth, she is more of a plot device. JENOVA is a virus that travels from world to world consuming life, what more do you need? Not all villains need to be super deep and complex, there is room for simplistic villains that are also good. Kefka is a great villain but is hardly deep, he's an agent of chaos and his sole motivation is power, but how he's handled doesn't make him a bad villain. In the same way, JENOVA is a manipulative force that coincides with Sephiroth, and not really "bad".
 

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I too think you've missed the mark with Sephiroth. For me his descent into insanity, the fall of such a fantastic warrior, who though cold seemed to genuinely care for those around him, was brilliantly portrayed. The imagery of such a great man seeing something so simple, the name of his mother...the belief he's always been different, the consuming mindless hunger as he has to discover the truth.
His descent is excellent in my opinion.

I agree that Shinra were underplayed, the idea of a monolithic energy company essentially becoming a dominant country (taking over economically and militarily) is intriguing and it's a shame they were so weak by endgame. I'd have liked to have seen them explored more fully.

As for other FF games, Jecht/Sin was an interesting villian in my opinion, however annoying Tidus may have been (and I didn't like FFX I must admit) the whole story of Sin was interesting.
 

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Well, I think we know that Kefka was entirely unstable, even for a villain. (The stable villain of the game would, in fact, have to be the emperor.) If I may draw a parallel from anime, he's like Dilandau from Escaflowne, as opposed to Folken or Dornkirk. Not exactly a good villain to me, but rather a nut who saw power and grabbed it. That's all.

Villainy in Final Fantasy has been a bit of a crapshoot at times. I haven't played through all Final Fantasy games, but here is my take on the ones I've completed...

FF1: One good reason that Final Fantasy saved Square's bacon was that the plot was different and a bit screwy. The main villain is a monster created by a time loop of freakiness. This was actually pretty good, considering it was just NES-level tech back then.

FF4: Uhhh...yeah. So, apparently the real villain was an out-of-nowhere wizard who comes from- Forget it, I can't put my mind into it. The entire game is focused on Golbez and Zemus basically makes no sense or has any point of being there.

FF5: Okay, so...a long long time ago, a monstrous amount of destructive evil was sealed away in a void world by separating two planets, and then years later...the living avatar of that power was sealed on one of those two planets after it tried to wreak havoc. When I first played this game, I found that the villain here (call 'im X-Death or Exodus or whatever) was pretty damn good. Evil and powerful, brain like David Xanatos, and certainly not above a little havoc to get what he wants. Oh, and his end-goal when the full-evil emerged was to destroy EXISTENCE. Not freakin' bad.

FF6: I've covered Kefka already. I just wanted to point out that it was Emperor Gestahl that put everything together that he did with the Espers, the Magitek Empire, the three gods, and so on. That technically makes him the better villain. He basically just got shafted.

FF7: I like Sephiroth. Okay, Final Fantasy 7 was the first one of these I played, but detinitely a good introduction to the series. I find Sephiroth good because you see that he murdered President Shinra and such, for whatever reason, and then you wonder "Huh? Who is this guy?" and then Cloud tells you about the day he went MAD... Sephiroth when he was sane was a pretty decent guy, though clearly an insanely-skilled person. So, you learn about this guy, about why he'd suddenly start killing people, and then by following him, you learn just how much a total monster he's become, and then realizing that he's following the path of the ALIEN that is his true forebearer, and trying to consume the world... Nice. They told this story well.

FF8: Wait... Ultimecia had a PLAN? What with all the not-a-real-plot happening and all, I couldn't get where anything that was done here made any rational sense. I could go on forever about what I didn't like about this game, plot and villain included. I won't, though. I don't need to by this point.

FF9: Much as I didn't actually like Kuja, he fit in with all of what was going on here. He actually was a decent sort of villain. He had a desire for power and control, had a manipulative plan for both, and had a Villainous Breakout that made total sense and umm...pushed him to break a planet. This game played its layered villainy rather well. Garland here - the way they snuck that in here was creepy, by the way - was equally an over-arching villain, but since the two were competing...one had to go.

FF10: Because I haven't finished FF13, I'll stop with here. Who is the villain of Final Fantasy X? Is it the giant monster? The government? The dehumanizing psycho? Ourselves? Kind of hard to tell, but it basically leads to the entire world being tweaked out of whack by the voiceless and inhuman center of their own damn religion, Yu Yevon. Thing is, the real final boss character here is Jecht, but for all intents and purposes for the story, it's the monkey on Jecht's back that's suppose to be the villain. Probably would've done it better, though, if they gave him a voice, a better form, and definitely better powers. But then, without Aeons, I guess he doesn't HAVE much himself. When you consider that the entire world has been his fault for DECADES, Yu Yevon isn't too bad a villain, like he'd already won. It's just that they didn't really characterize him.
 

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I'll also agree that Sephiroth is a decent villain. Few others in the canon have proved to show more humanity than Sephiroth. His decent into the lower aspects of people having been covered, I can only elaborate on the fact that he shows so much emotion, although we see him 90% of the time as a maniacal beast intent on destroying the world. However, he is fueled by so much more: confusion, doubt, love, mistaken identity, ambiguity, hatred, vengeance, and the external influence of "mother", friend, science, and corporation. Hell, he's more human that Cloud for the entirety of the game. Now, I'm not defending FFVII as "teh greatest ff evr!!!11!" but it certainly has merit.

A bad villain to me would be someone like ExDeath. Someone pointless and merely "evil". Yes, they do have some story, but they seem to be merely evil for the sake of causing pain on a select few. Honestly, the final form also springs up pointlessly in the end. I know that this is ExDeath sacrificing himself to truly end the world, but it just adds nothing to the character. Gilgamesh, the comedic relief of the game, seems more apt as a villain than the "dark overlord" that rules over his mind. Gilgamesh even has a change of heart at the end, giving him more character! But FFV was marred by a lack of originality, character, and personality anyway. My opinion, of course.

However, another good villain would someone like Seifer or Gabranth, simply due to who they are as characters and the means that drive them to side with who they do.
 

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FalloutJack said:
FF4: Uhhh...yeah. So, apparently the real villain was an out-of-nowhere wizard who comes from- Forget it, I can't put my mind into it. The entire game is focused on Golbez and Zemus basically makes no sense or has any point of being there.

FF6: I've covered Kefka already. I just wanted to point out that it was Emperor Gestahl that put everything together that he did with the Espers, the Magitek Empire, the three gods, and so on. That technically makes him the better villain. He basically just got shafted.
The storytelling in FF4 with the last minute uber-power that controlled Golbez just kind of seemed like the writers all died and someone filled in something last minute. Golbez was actually a really good villian, except at the end. He takes hostages, keeps the Cecil and party two to three steps behind him and mind controls Kain, sorry spoiler (sorta).

Where as Kefka is my favorite of the Final Fantasy villains. Yes, he let the Emperor do all the hard and dirty work but then he offs the old man, siezes god-like power, breaks the world, scatters the party, and has the best laugh in any of these games. Seriously, for a 16-bit graphic Kefka had a great deal of personallity. He was who the party came into direct conflict with. and again laugh
 

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FalloutJack said:
FF4: Uhhh...yeah. So, apparently the real villain was an out-of-nowhere wizard who comes from- Forget it, I can't put my mind into it. The entire game is focused on Golbez and Zemus basically makes no sense or has any point of being there.
I think the problem with that was that they didn't alude to Zemus enough so when the big revelation came is was both shocking and a tad jarring. Zemus is fine in his role:

A being from another world whose race lost their planet in some catastrphe. THey lay dorment and wait for the time of which they can join the people of FF4s world and possibly coexist. Unfortunately, Zemus grew envious (envy being ones of FF4s main themes) of the humans and their existence so he conjured a plan the simply wipe the planet clean and take the world for the lunarians.

Unfortunately, you learn this in the third act...so as great of a twist it was, it could have handled better. They could have easily put in allusions to something being off with Golbez. Lead people into thinking Golbez is the true threat, but at some point you notice something "off" about him. Could have been something as simple as him stalling in battle for a moment and being somewhat confused or cursing the voice in his head or whatever. Giving some sort of hint that there was some greater force working off stage would have helped.

Pretty much do the same with like in Mass Effect with Saren and Sovereign...except better and not ham fisted.
 

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I'll throw in a little support for Seph. I actually found him fairly relatable. He's got that greek tragedy thing going on, the mighty hero fallen. It's sort of like having Kratos for your lead villan.

That said, I actually thought Hojo was the better villan. He is responsible for the whole mess, and he did it all... for SCIENCE!

Oh, and I always felt that the real "final boss" of FFX was Yunaleska (sp?). She was the hardest boss in the game (plot boss, not bonus boss) - Sin/Jeckt wanted you to kill him, and was working hard so that you could kill him (which is why the fact that he's a cakewalk doesn't bother me - he's trying to lose the battle). That fits really well with Yevon as the real badguy of the game.

As for FF13, the real villain of that game was the Status Quo.
 

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Kefka is someone who became a god destoryed the planet and laughed the entire time I think that should speak for himself >_>
 

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SnootyEnglishman said:
I was hoping you'd touch a bit on every villain throughout the series. But i will have to add in Kefka as a candidate for discussion.
The reason I dod not include Kefka in the discussion was because, like Ultimecia, I considered his motivations to be cliche. "Considering life to be meaningless" is a motivation that dozens, if not hundres, of villains have used before him, including Final Fantasy villains like Seymore, Necron, and even Kuja to some degree.
 

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Hugga_Bear said:
I agree that Shinra were underplayed, the idea of a monolithic energy company essentially becoming a dominant country (taking over economically and militarily) is intriguing and it's a shame they were so weak by endgame. I'd have liked to have seen them explored more fully.
I know. They are pretty much the catalyst for everything which has happend throughout the game and to the characters. Even being the ones who created Sephiroth. They were such an important part of the story and plot, but by the time the end of the game came around, it was like they did not exist anymore.

Really disappointing.
 

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thejboy88 said:
SnootyEnglishman said:
I was hoping you'd touch a bit on every villain throughout the series. But i will have to add in Kefka as a candidate for discussion.
The reason I dod not include Kefka in the discussion was because, like Ultimecia, I considered his motivations to be cliche. "Considering life to be meaningless" is a motivation that dozens, if not hundres, of villains have used before him, including Final Fantasy villains like Seymore, Necron, and even Kuja to some degree.
I always thought he was trying to become insanely powerful so he could mess with everyone to gain some sort of sick enjoyment out of their torment... maybe I'm just overanalyzing his mindset... but y'know, he was a total psycho, and I'm not exactly the sanest man on earth so i kinda identified with kefka on a certain level. made me kinda sad killin him off in the end...
 

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thejboy88 said:
A while ago I posted an Escapist forum regarding my feelings towards the kinds of villains we usually get in video games.

Now a bad villain. Now just to clarify, a bad villain is someone who I consider to have little to no motivation whatsoever for doing the villainous things they do. ?Evil for evil?s sake? is a good phrase to keep in mind when considering bad villains. They may be imposing, threatening and a legitimate challenge for the hero to overcome, but if there?s no justification behind it, they?re still bad villains. The best example of this sort of villain in a FF game would be Ultimecia from FF VIII. This is a bad villain because her motives are completely unrealistic and confusing. Her goal was to become an all powerful god by destroying reality and time and becoming the only living thing in existence. That is just about the most confusing, convoluted and ridiculous plan ever put to script. Not only that but her character is just a cliché over-the-top villain, with the dialogue to match, you know the usual ?the world will soon be mine? type stuff. This is about as shallow, unjustified and annoying as a FF villain can get.
One thing about Ultimecia, she does have a motive but the game does not explain it very clearly. She wants to compress time to create a world where only she exists. The reason for this is that she wants to escape the persecution and prejudice she face for being a sorceress. After the events of FF VIII, the world are now aware of a powerful sorceress in the future that's going to kill them all and thus set out to discriminate against all sorceress. Ultimecia was 'cursed before she was born' and was faced with all the hate that's no fault of her own -yet. So she tries to compress time to escape it all and unwittingly set the events of FF VIII and seal her own fate.
 

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I always felt that Seymour Guado was as underrated a villain as the game he's in, possibly due to his not being the actual final boss or his punny name or odd Guado hair or all three. Sure, he's another nihilist, but he's been brought up in a world where such an outlook actually makes a twisted sort of sense, since all the Summoners are really doing is buying time before Sin destroys everything.

Much like our beloved monster clown Kefka, he has also struck a personal blow to every single party member except for Lulu. He ordered the destruction of Rikku's home, threatened to expose Auron thus ruining his plan to break the eternal cycle and later on killed his friend, trampled Wakka's beliefs, killed off half Kimarhi's clan personally, forcibly kissed Yuna right in front of Tidus, and indirectly damaged the bond of trust between Yuna and her friends by having her keep secrets from them. Oh, and then forced her to marry him. He is devoted enough to his ideal that being killed three times just makes him stronger and less sane each time. That probably would have happened AGAIN if Yuna hadn't used the Sending ritual.

Furthering that theme, I also liked that each party member (except Lulu again) gets at least one 'Talk' command which greatly raises their power for the duration of the fight with him. Fitting, since he's generally one of the hardest story bosses every time you fight him.
 

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Even though I dislike him, Seymour was a pretty good villain. Like WhiteFangofWar said, he has 'hurt' every member of the party. Furthermore, he believes what he is doing is right, in his own twisted way. He wants to, to quote him "destroy, and heal Spria". Essentially he is kind of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.


I agree with Ultimecia. I never really liked her anyway. She just seemed to kind of pop out of no where and get all pissy.

Kuja is a good villain, in that he is pretty much pure evil...right up until the end, which I think ruined it. I know that Zidane was all about trust, and thus it made sense that he and Kuja bond in the end but...I don't know. I just didn't like it. I mean, he Sparta kicks his creator into oblivion and then blows up the whole planet.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
That said, I actually thought Hojo was the better villan. He is responsible for the whole mess, and he did it all... for SCIENCE!
This. Hojo is an evil bastard who not only rebuilt nible after it was burnt, but paid actors to live there and pretend it never happened. Furthermore he tried to breed Areis and Red XIII.

Sephiroth was a good villain, its just that we've been over exposed to him.
 

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Not really Sephiroth, he was pretty much a red herring and a possessed body for most of the game. No no, I would say the eldritch abomination called Genova is an excellent villain. A space Cthulu that devours all planets in its path. It's an unnerving and epic boss.