No unfortunately, it is not just a theory. There are plenty of citations in the linked paragraph if you want to know more about it. Despite, flying in the face of cannon in the original FF VII game where the humans were Cetra who lost touch with the planet according to Sephiroth. There is actually a line in FF VII which may have been a mistranslation and missed out on the meaning of the word in English which does point to the Cetra moving from planet to planet. Not dissimilar to Jenova but instead of fucking shit up they make shit better.
So assuming that one line among some other stuff is a not a mistranslation and Sephiroth originally had bad information prior to accessing the Lifestream this plot was always there.
So... the people of Spira evolved into whatever the Cetra were? In which moving from planet to planet was no problem? That's... huh. I don't know what to make of that - I'm not sure I'd even call it mind-blowing, just weird.
I still don't like the possibility of moving to another planet because it turns out Sin is immortal - that, to me, renders everything about what FFX is as pointless. Any sequel to a story (in which during the original tale; the main evil is defeated against all odds and peace is brought to everyone to live happily ever after) involving the evil coming back because reasons and everyone decides to just leave instead? I don't know what could possess someone to think that's a good idea. "And then our heroes valiantly ran away with their tails between their legs"!
They didn't move because of Sin they moved because the Farplane basically broke. So assuming that things work like in FF7 going with how things with the Lifestream work the planet just reached the end of its life cycle. That would explain why the Farplane started to collapse or something like that. I can't remember exactly how but there were problems with it. That would also be why they move as Sin is not immortal it is only a shell made by Yu Yevon from Final aeons. So as long as there is no Yu Yevon there is no Sin.
They didn't move because of Sin they moved because the Farplane basically broke. So assuming that things work like in FF7 going with how things with the Lifestream work the planet just reached the end of its life cycle. That would explain why the Farplane started to collapse or something like that. I can't remember exactly how but there were problems with it. That would also be why they move as Sin is not immortal it is only a shell made by Yu Yevon from Final aeons. So as long as there is no Yu Yevon there is no Sin.
Ah... given a specific part of the audio novel (when they're at the Moonflow) - that actually makes a lot of sense. The reason we keep mentioning Sin returning though is something else in the audio... which is Sin returning. I know it should be impossible for Sin to return given that Yu Yevon is gone but maybe he/it can come back and thus bring Sin back because the Farplane is broken?
In any case, all of this doesn't sound like good territory for a game to explore. It feels like they're flogging a dead horse now. I really think they should just leave it all alone - it's getting very needlessly complicated. Maybe the purpose of the audio novel is less of a tie-in and more market research; so they can gauge fan demand.
At the end of the day everything is redundant and pointless as the whole universe will collapse one day and take FFX and FFX-2 and the eventual FFX-3 along with it as well.
But then again try as they might you can never trully get rid of sin (religous subtext hoo).
Good old Japanese commentary on religions =D Crystal Dragon Jesus [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrystalDragonJesus] is one of my favourite tropes
EDIT: Huh, looks like I'd got that one mixed up, what I actually meant was something more like Anime Catholicism [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimeCatholicism]
Ah... given a specific part of the audio novel (when they're at the Moonflow) - that actually makes a lot of sense. The reason we keep mentioning Sin returning though is something else in the audio... which is Sin returning. I know it should be impossible for Sin to return given that Yu Yevon is gone but maybe he/it can come back and thus bring Sin back because the Farplane is broken?
In any case, all of this doesn't sound like good territory for a game to explore. It feels like they're flogging a dead horse now. I really think they should just leave it all alone - it's getting very needlessly complicated. Maybe the purpose of the audio novel is less of a tie-in and more market research; so they can gauge fan demand.
To my knowledge the Farplane already existed long before Sin came to be. Yu Yevon just used the Final Aeon that was made by Yunalesca during the war to be a shell for Yu Yevon and nothing more. Yu Yevon was once a living being, more precisely a summoner, and was the leader of Zanarkand, Yunalesca apparently was his daughter. The whole reason Sin came to be was because Yu Yevon did not want to lose the war with Bevelle, which was going to Bevelle's favor because they were technologically advanced. When Sin was given 1 instruction, destroy and civilization or settlement with Machina, but because summoning Sin was too much along with maintaining the Dream Zanarkand, Yu Yevon lost his humanity and couldn't control it, and so Sin destoryed the real Zanarkand.
Vegnagun on the other hand was created by Bevelle in order to win the war, a bit before Sin was summoned. However, Vegnagun had the problem of sense those who would do it harm, and couldn't differentiate friend from foe, so Bevelle never used it in the war and had it sealed away. Didn't help that Shuyin tried to steal Vegnagun to use against Bevelle in the War, but he was caught and killed.
It's official canon, expanded upon on the expanded unviersive and reinforced by Final Fantasy X-2 International's Last Mission part of the game that takes place about a year after Vegnagun was shut down.
Sin was destroyed forever though after Yu Yevon was destroyed, as Yu Yevon was the one reincarnating Sin and turning the Final Aeon into his new outer shell. The reason for leaving the planet probably has more to do with the Farplane because in X-2 it's collapsing in on itself and the energy was leaking out. It's why the Pyre Flies controlled by Omega turned Shinra into Ultimate Shinra, the strongest super boss in X-2 International. Although when defeated Shinra turns back to normal.
Couldn't Yu Yevon have been revived too? I mean, everyone else is, so if Yu Yevon is back, Sin would be able to be brought back.
Now, I haven't played any X game thus far(I'm getting the rereleases this March) and have only played 15 hours into VII and Crisis Core, so I don't know much about the universe as a whole, so I could be completely off in my assumptions.
They'll do what they want, but were I them I'd look at their recent history as a company, decide to do something and then go with the opposite of that decision.
Also here is an article of a dev saying that if the HD collections suceed FFX-3 will be in the works:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/130888-Dev-Final-Fantasy-X-3-Could-Happen-With-Fan-Demand
Couldn't Yu Yevon have been revived too? I mean, everyone else is, so if Yu Yevon is back, Sin would be able to be brought back.
Now, I haven't played any X game thus far(I'm getting the rereleases this March) and have only played 15 hours into VII and Crisis Core, so I don't know much about the universe as a whole, so I could be completely off in my assumptions.
Yu Yevon was basically a fiend at this point, when a person dies in Spira and they aren't sent to rest in the Farplane they will turn into a fiend. I've not seen cases in which fiends themselves have come back to life, Omega Weapon notwithstanding. Yu Yevon could possibly come back, but he'd be just as vulnerable as he was when you fight him in X. Yu Yevon itself is weak, and would use Aeons as armor to protect him. It takes years for Yu Yevon to craft another Sin, and obviously no one would give it the time to do it.
Of course Square could just pull some bull about it anyway. XD
Yu Yevon was basically a fiend at this point, when a person dies in Spira and they aren't sent to rest in the Farplane they will turn into a fiend. I've not seen cases in which fiends themselves have come back to life, Omega Weapon notwithstanding. Yu Yevon could possibly come back, but he'd be just as vulnerable as he was when you fight him in X. Yu Yevon itself is weak, and would use Aeons as armor to protect him. It takes years for Yu Yevon to craft another Sin, and obviously no one would give it the time to do it.
Of course Square could just pull some bull about it anyway. XD
Now does the audio drama say Sin has been seen alive and well? Or is it assumptions and speculations in Spira? And did Yu Yevon actually die? Or did he just lose his mind?
I'd just hope all in all X-3 would make the direct tie in to VII instead of just a X repeat.
Couldn't Yu Yevon have been revived too? I mean, everyone else is, so if Yu Yevon is back, Sin would be able to be brought back.
Now, I haven't played any X game thus far(I'm getting the rereleases this March) and have only played 15 hours into VII and Crisis Core, so I don't know much about the universe as a whole, so I could be completely off in my assumptions.
Yu Yevon was basically a fiend at this point, when a person dies in Spira and they aren't sent to rest in the Farplane they will turn into a fiend. I've not seen cases in which fiends themselves have come back to life, Omega Weapon notwithstanding. Yu Yevon could possibly come back, but he'd be just as vulnerable as he was when you fight him in X. Yu Yevon itself is weak, and would use Aeons as armor to protect him. It takes years for Yu Yevon to craft another Sin, and obviously no one would give it the time to do it.
Of course Square could just pull some bull about it anyway. XD
This is correct, the general rule of FFX afterlife is if you are sent, you are gone. I don't think anyone's come back from being sent, which led to some very funny moments where Yuna should've just sent Seymour and she'd miss her opportunity or get shouted at (loved this game, that just always bugged me, lol).
If someone's dissatisfied or upset or angry about their death, a fiend is formed, which is why there are so many in Yuna's time as Sin's killing a lot of people. If someone with a very strong will is still 'tied to life', they become Unsent, still looking like themselves. But if either of those are weakened and sent, they do not come back.
Yu Yevon is sent along with the Aeons and Sin at the end of FFX in that big fireworks display. So that should mean they're gone, unless something in FFX-2 said otherwise (this whole thing about the Farplane 'breaking' would make death a problem)
As for all that FFX leads to FFVII stuff... do what's done with most of the out-of-game stuff, take it with a pinch of salt. Like those post-FFVII novels about Aerith and Tifa and all of them. The in-game writing has to go through a bunch of staff who do scenarios, and the director of the game and everyone else... whereas it sounds like these audio dramas are pet projects added on that just don't mesh with the original game, thematically or tonally.
ON TOPIC: Doesn't look official, but I wouldn't doubt it too much given Squeenix's history.
Neronium said:
It's official canon, expanded upon on the expanded unviersive and reinforced by Final Fantasy X-2 International's Last Mission part of the game that takes place about a year after Vegnagun was shut down.
Sin was destroyed forever though after Yu Yevon was destroyed, as Yu Yevon was the one reincarnating Sin and turning the Final Aeon into his new outer shell. The reason for leaving the planet probably has more to do with the Farplane because in X-2 it's collapsing in on itself and the energy was leaking out. It's why the Pyre Flies controlled by Omega turned Shinra into Ultimate Shinra, the strongest super boss in X-2 International. Although when defeated Shinra turns back to normal.
Just another big reason why I don't buy Squeenix games at all; They take inspiration from retarded fanfiction.
Seriously: Merging FF7 and FF10's timelines together makes absolutely no sense except to a fanatic completely obsessed with both games. The sheer number of contradictions in logic, lore/setting and even tone make it an incomprehensibly bad idea.
And Squeenix went with it, because, hey, they made Dirge of Cerberus; how much further down the rabbit hole can they go?
Apparently it is fanfiction that was accidently published by SE.
http://www.p4rgaming.com/square-enix-accidentally-publishes-fanfiction-for-the-final-fantasy-x-2-5-novel/
"Which raises the obvious question: Why would we want to do this terrible thing? It's like tying your breakfast to a plague rat."
- Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw.
Honestly, is it to much to ask that Final Fantasy keep doing what Assassins Creed should have done, i.e. keep the worlds/games separate with gameplay and a few shoutouts here and there being the only thing tying them together? It seems to be generally agreed that the AssCreed series would be better served without the whole genetic memory, Templar v. Assassins thing hanging over it like the ten ton hammer of Damocles.
"Which raises the obvious question: Why would we want to do this terrible thing? It's like tying your breakfast to a plague rat."
- Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw.
Honestly, is it to much to ask that Final Fantasy keep doing what Assassins Creed should have done, i.e. keep the worlds/games separate with gameplay and a few shoutouts here and there being the only thing tying them together? It seems to be generally agreed that the AssCreed series would be better served without the whole genetic memory, Templar v. Assassins thing hanging over it like the ten ton hammer of Damocles.
It's already tied in officially, my idea is only to fill in the gaps. Considering these are the only worlds they connect they may as well cement it. Every other FF universe is its own thing, so if they are tying two together I say the bad idea would be to half-ass it and not just accept it.
Not necessarily. All the Final Fantasy Tactic games, and Final Fantasy XII and Reverant Wings, all take place in the same universe and world of Ivalice. Vagrant Story has also been tied to Final Fantasy thanks to XII, as Vagrant Story also takes place in Ivalice.
There's a timeline, although it's not confirmed, but XII is the earliest in that timeline. And XII and Tactics are connected because the characters in XII appear in one of the Tactics games as playable characters.
Not necessarily. All the Final Fantasy Tactic games, and Final Fantasy XII and Reverant Wings, all take place in the same universe and world of Ivalice. Vagrant Story has also been tied to Final Fantasy thanks to XII, as Vagrant Story also takes place in Ivalice.
There's a timeline, although it's not confirmed, but XII is the earliest in that timeline. And XII and Tactics are connected because the characters in XII appear in one of the Tactics games as playable characters.
Well I meant that more as a "main line" thing, as each number is its own universe and the other numbers don't bridge it(unless you count Kingdom Hearts, but that's a whole other beast to tackle). These would be the only two numbered games that would connect.
Is anyone actually surprised that this is bad? FFX and FFXIII are some of the most godawful poorly written games I have ever played, I would be shocked if the tie in material wasn't a clusterfuck. That said killing Tidus may be the best thing any writer has ever done in the history of man, so lets just hope he has the decency to stay fucking dead this time.
I thought 10 was a bad game with a lot of potential.
I thought 10-2 was a horrible, disgusting, wretchful thing that existed only to demonise and flanderise a strong, and veyr popoular female character because hey, her cute ass is in a pair of boy shorts! Oh, plot.. yeah, that's somewhere.
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