this, plus a man called Jayne Cobb. but especially the potential. damn that pissed me off when it was canceled.Bara_no_Hime said:
Firefly
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It only had fourteen episodes because fox is stupid.No_Remainders said:
I know it seems like I'm jumping on the band wagon. Let me explain.
None of the episodes were aired in the right order, confusing everyone. The Fox said everything was too much of a hassle and they didn't have a large enough fan base and shut them down.
because it was just one of them shows, you could sit and watch episodes as ant time as you wanted and not get bored,
the characters are well developed, the story had plenty of mystery (which unfortunately they were never able to go into)
also the quotability (surprised that is actually a word?) of it is endless, take any snippet from the show and chances are you will crack a smile
(disclaimer: these are my opinions, nothing more)
the characters are well developed, the story had plenty of mystery (which unfortunately they were never able to go into)
also the quotability (surprised that is actually a word?) of it is endless, take any snippet from the show and chances are you will crack a smile
(disclaimer: these are my opinions, nothing more)
i think its following comes from the show being so short. its a great show and was cut down in its prime. if the show went for 2-4 seasons then ended i doubt it would have the following it does.
The thing im most annoyed about is that firefly which has a whole lot of good points like story, universe, acting, characters etc gets cancelled but a show like lost goes for like 6 seasons or was it 8.
But a plus to firefly being cancelled means you can watch the 12 episodes and the movie in one long sitting.
i think they were wrong in cancelling the show but i think it would probably be worse for them to start making it again now.
The thing im most annoyed about is that firefly which has a whole lot of good points like story, universe, acting, characters etc gets cancelled but a show like lost goes for like 6 seasons or was it 8.
But a plus to firefly being cancelled means you can watch the 12 episodes and the movie in one long sitting.
i think they were wrong in cancelling the show but i think it would probably be worse for them to start making it again now.
I would normally agree with the first part, except that this was made by Joss Whedon. Even a casual examination of his work shows that his shows are always slow burners. The first season generally lets us get acquainted with the characters and setting through (mostly) self-contained episodes with just a hint of an overarching plot. It's the second season where things usually start picking up and we begin to see the bigger picture.cefm said:
Example: Dollhouse. The first season had a good concept, but suffered from a very slow setup that bordered upon being filler itself(one could also argue that Eliza Dushku isn't versatile enough to play the woman of a thousand faces). Season 2, on the other hand, kicked things into high gear and was one of the stronger shows of that year, IMO.
But of course it's hard to sell a show on "the ratings will improve next season, I swear!" Especially to Fox.
I feel the same as the OP and so did a friend of mine who wrote about his opinion of the show to a flurry of insults so I added my 2¢ to his post and I'll copy+paste it here.
However, with that being said, I recently went over to a friend's house and we were taking a break from cleaning our respective vehicles. So we go inside the nice warm house and he kicks on the TV. I swear in the span of about eight minutes I saw five different previews for reality shows. I mean holy shit. When did this happen? There is literally a show about construction workers, a show about guys who go out and buy whatever someone left in a storage unit, and a show about ghost "hunters"!
1. Construction work is difficult and BORING!
2. Who gives a shit about two idiots buying other people's old, forgotten crap?
3. How is this even on network television? Are people so stupid and dull that they actually watch a show with a premise like "We run around with a shaky camera in night vision mode."
Anyway, so after these commercials were over the last few minutes of Two and a Half Men finished up and How I Met Your Mother started. This other guy we were working with goes "Yes, I love this show!" After about five minutes of watching, I realized I would never be talking to him again. "Let's watch pretty people complaining about relationships all masked under an insecure blanket of sarcasm." No thanks, I'm actually planning to go eat lead paint.
I mean how is any of this entertaining or interesting on any level? How is it believable that these thin, young, attractive people are complaining about relationships? Isn't that a bit like the kid with the silver spoon crying over his cake? And why is that the entire premise of the show?
Compared to the above, Firefly is literally gold; beaucoup bouillon.
Now, I don't hate the show, but, like I said, I don't understand the dedication. I would not go out of my way to watch this show.Shraggler said:
However, with that being said, I recently went over to a friend's house and we were taking a break from cleaning our respective vehicles. So we go inside the nice warm house and he kicks on the TV. I swear in the span of about eight minutes I saw five different previews for reality shows. I mean holy shit. When did this happen? There is literally a show about construction workers, a show about guys who go out and buy whatever someone left in a storage unit, and a show about ghost "hunters"!
1. Construction work is difficult and BORING!
2. Who gives a shit about two idiots buying other people's old, forgotten crap?
3. How is this even on network television? Are people so stupid and dull that they actually watch a show with a premise like "We run around with a shaky camera in night vision mode."
Anyway, so after these commercials were over the last few minutes of Two and a Half Men finished up and How I Met Your Mother started. This other guy we were working with goes "Yes, I love this show!" After about five minutes of watching, I realized I would never be talking to him again. "Let's watch pretty people complaining about relationships all masked under an insecure blanket of sarcasm." No thanks, I'm actually planning to go eat lead paint.
I mean how is any of this entertaining or interesting on any level? How is it believable that these thin, young, attractive people are complaining about relationships? Isn't that a bit like the kid with the silver spoon crying over his cake? And why is that the entire premise of the show?
Compared to the above, Firefly is literally gold; beaucoup bouillon.
The comics do expand a bit - for instance, the Hands of Blue guys are actually full-on cyborg/robotsBara_no_Hime said:
But yes, otherwise this. Having watched Buffy and Angel all the way through, I can only imagine what Joss would have done with a two or three season run of Firefly, given the incredible creativity and range of story lines found within just that one epic season. He just has a way of finding writers that have flair and creativity, and isn't afraid of having episodes that strike out and do something completely different.
Compare "Out of Gas" with, say, "Aerial". The former is rich in flashbacks, desperation, futile struggle, loss, sorrow, and nearly kills the lead character whilst the latter is vibrant, full of humour, intrigue and bluffing, with sneaky spy action and climaxing with a chase sequence - both within a single season! It's rare to find TV shows that have such diversity, and Joss consistently produces them.
Gorramit, now I need to go and watch them all again! Wait, that's not a bad thing... ^_^
Aside from it being a good show written by a guy well-known for good shows and all other gratifying things like that there, I think perhaps the circumstances surrounding it led people to root for the underdog, and thus it grew from there.No_Remainders said:
Go watch cowboy bebop and come back.GamesB2 said:
Why is there such a big fan following for Firefly and Joss Whedon in general?
Controversy,
I'm no fan of Firefly, sure it was alright, but by then I had already watched Cowboy Bebop so nothing new to my eyes. Firefly was a decent show that everybody, its fans especially ,thought could only get better. Then all of a sudden fox canceled it, and refused to sell the rights, essentially killing the show in every way. Because of this, fans of Firefly gathered towards it and pushed it up in an attempt to get it back on the air but, surprisingly, it was not put back on the air, and as a result of the cultural backlash, people tend to have a warped opinion on the show.
This is called Crowd psychology people share opinions in a group whether they agree with it or not. It makes sense when you think about it, even if you don't hate Product X, if a whole group of people tell you about how Product X is being removed because some asshat in the controlling company decided it should be, and that it is a terrible thing, you will enjoy Product X even more.
It was alright. Very entertaining. Although I found the old west overtones a bit heavy. That movie they made about it was really good.
But yeah, the fandom can be a bit... overzealous.
It's been nine years. It's not coming back. Ever. Move on.
But yeah, the fandom can be a bit... overzealous.
It's been nine years. It's not coming back. Ever. Move on.
I got into it, personally, because it never got it's Ninth Symphony and even after the Serenity movie it left a lot of questions unanswered. Didn't give us a episode on the back story of Shepard Book didn't give us more of Mal's background. Sure we learned what was wrong with Summer but the movie, I'm sorry to say, felt a bit rushed. We got hear about Jayne's Mother but nothing else really about him. And I would of been interested as to where that whole Mal/Inara road was heading. Creating a large and greatly flavored universe and then leaving a lot of loose ends, along with the humor and adventures (personally I enjoyed the creepiness introduced in "Bushedwacked"), that never really did get tied up made me feel there was actually something more that might never be tied back up.
Space.Fucking.Cowboys. If that premise alone doesn't intrigue you, there must be something seriously wrong with you. Probably a brain tumor the size of a grapefruit...
The thing is, Firefly wasn't revolutionary or particularly deep, yet I still rate it as the best sci-fi show of the past decade. You had this strange universe, a shadowy antagonist, outcast protagonists, conflict, humor, romance, and action, and no part of it seemed particularly forced or unbelievable. The world of Firely just felt alive, a place that could actually exist. That was what drew me in anyway.
No, Firefly probably isn't the greatest thing since the Haber-Bosch process, but it a joy to watch. Couple that greatness with the series's tragic end (which is yet more evidence that Fox is run by degenerates who in any sane society would be burned at the stake), and you've got yourself a fanboy singularity.
The thing is, Firefly wasn't revolutionary or particularly deep, yet I still rate it as the best sci-fi show of the past decade. You had this strange universe, a shadowy antagonist, outcast protagonists, conflict, humor, romance, and action, and no part of it seemed particularly forced or unbelievable. The world of Firely just felt alive, a place that could actually exist. That was what drew me in anyway.
No, Firefly probably isn't the greatest thing since the Haber-Bosch process, but it a joy to watch. Couple that greatness with the series's tragic end (which is yet more evidence that Fox is run by degenerates who in any sane society would be burned at the stake), and you've got yourself a fanboy singularity.
Whedon will always have cohorts of followers who already love his writing, regardless of the genre. Because of that, fans of shows like Buffy and Angel who would normally give sci-fi tv a pass will give Whedon's show a chance.
As far as I am concerned, the show is okay. Not amazing, but witty and off-beat enough to keep it interesting. I saw the movie first though, and that pretty much sucked (too damn cheesy and smart arse for my taste).
As far as I am concerned, the show is okay. Not amazing, but witty and off-beat enough to keep it interesting. I saw the movie first though, and that pretty much sucked (too damn cheesy and smart arse for my taste).