Pretty much agree. If it makes people in the mainstream stop looking at gaming as just for 20/30 male virgins that think blowing things up and watching people end up in pieces is the best thing ever. Then all power to the kinect.FargoDog said:I think by this point we need to acknowledge that the Kinect isn't intended for us: the Halo, Gears of War, Final Fantasy playing types. It's meant for families and is trying to get into a more casual market. And you know what? That's totally fine. If there's nothing on the Kinect that interests you that's probably because it wasn't intended to interest you in the fist place. It's not like Microsoft are going to suddenly put 90 percent of their time and effort into the Kinect before forcing us to buy it for some arbitrary reason; there will still be games made for people like us and there always will be.
Hell if, like the Wii, the Kinect can serve as a stepping stone for some people into gaming, then that's fantastic.
This is true, but can the Kinect do things that can't be done on the Wii or Move? I was actually talking to a GameStop Manager who got to try it out a week ago. You can't move forward or backwards yet, and the tracking is pretty decent, but it's all party games. The Move and Wii can already do those things.Numachuka said:I think you have forgotten that there is NO CONTROLLER MAN. YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER.AzrealMaximillion said:The install bases are essentially equal with the PS3 being only 5 million units behind the 360. Also the fact that Kinect's appearance on Oprah really doesn't help considering the show's more geared towards other issues rather than gaming. People who saw the Kinect on Oprah will probably forget about it by the time it gets released. Also I'm willing to bet that most of the Oprah audience already has the Wii, and are parents.
Parents won't shell out $150 for something that will do what their Wii already can do. The PS Move is marketed more towards the core gamer market, making it easier to sell to those with PS3 and Wiis. Plus it's $100 for you get the Move set up, plus a game.
The thing is, the Oprah ratings have been dropping rapidly over the past year. So banking on Oprah to sell your accessory is good but won't help Tremendously. Especially since it was featured on a single episode of Oprah. It's not like it was "Oprah's Kinect Week Special". A single episode of Oprah won't help Kinect sell leaps and bounds over the Move or Wii. And I say that most people who watch Oprah have Wii's because Oprah's show is targeted towards older women. Moms essentially. Considering that the ratings have fallen to 3 million veiwers an episode and the Wii has sold 35 million in North America alone, it's safe to say that most veiwers of Oprah got the Wii when their kids wouldn't stop complaining about it.Brotherofwill said:I disagree. Putting this stuff on Oprah will help sales tremendously. Why do you think all the parents on Oprah already have a Wii? Because the Wii was marketed toward them outside of the gamer demographic, just like Kinect is being marketed right now. I can see lot's of people picking one up along with the 360.AzrealMaximillion said:Not really. Not if this is an indcation of how the Move is already selling:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.238840-Sony-Shifts-Over-a-Million-Moves-in-EuropeBrotherofwill said:They'll advertise it on Oprah? Ok, this will be massively more succesful than the Move, atleast base on the pick up rate. It's hardly fair, but those hundreds of millions of dollars pretty much mean success over Move.
Will they make a profit of it with that kind of advertisement push? Let's wait and see.
The install bases are essentially equal with the PS3 being only 5 million units behind the 360. Also the fact that Kinect's appearance on Oprah really doesn't help considering the show's more geared towards other issues rather than gaming. People who saw the Kinect on Oprah will probably forget about it by the time it gets released. Also I'm willing to bet that most of the Oprah audience already has the Wii, and are parents.
Parents won't shell out $150 for something that will do what their Wii already can do. The PS Move is marketed more towards the core gamer market, making it easier to sell to those with PS3 and Wiis. Plus it's $100 for you get the Move set up, plus a game.
Will people forget about it? Not with advertising of this budget and magnitude. The thing comes out in like 2 weeks man.
1.5 million units for Move in Europe alone is really impressive . I'm amazed at the success.
Think it will crash and burn like the eyetoy? effectively coming up we just have a HD eyetoy and a HD wii, i'm not convinced any amount of marketing will let it take off to a become a major part of gaming. The wii succeeded because of the sheer amount of work nintendo puts into its franchises, but we are just getting a lot of junk with the new motion control system, (maybe aside from some ps3 motion games, SOCOM eg.)FargoDog said:I think by this point we need to acknowledge that the Kinect isn't intended for us: the Halo, Gears of War, Final Fantasy playing types. It's meant for families and is trying to get into a more casual market. And you know what? That's totally fine. If there's nothing on the Kinect that interests you that's probably because it wasn't intended to interest you in the fist place. It's not like Microsoft are going to suddenly put 90 percent of their time and effort into the Kinect before forcing us to buy it for some arbitrary reason; there will still be games made for people like us and there always will be.
Hell if, like the Wii, the Kinect can serve as a stepping stone for some people into gaming, then that's fantastic.
Well if it was a standalone console it would be much higher, that is unless they had a few hundred million floating around to subsidize the price.Glic2003 said:If they really want Kinect to appeal to casual gamers, why not make it a stand-alone console? How many casual gamers already own an Xbox 360?
If Kinect was a stand-alone console that only cost $150, I think it would be a huge success. But as it stands right now, the entry point for a totally new audience is going to be way too high.
Woah...not an HD wii. There are plenty of things it can do that the wii cannot.Darktau said:Think it will crash and burn like the eyetoy? effectively coming up we just have a HD eyetoy and a HD wii, i'm not convinced any amount of marketing will let it take off to a become a major part of gaming. The wii succeeded because of the sheer amount of work nintendo puts into its franchises, but we are just getting a lot of junk with the new motion control system, (maybe aside from some ps3 motion games, SOCOM eg.)
I was referring to the PSMOVE as a HD wii (Just so were on the same page), and it basically just is, it has 3D positioning, which is cool, but I am not sure how many other features are actually applicable to games most gamers will want to play.Jkudo said:Woah...not an HD wii. There are plenty of things it can do that the wii cannot.Darktau said:Think it will crash and burn like the eyetoy? effectively coming up we just have a HD eyetoy and a HD wii, i'm not convinced any amount of marketing will let it take off to a become a major part of gaming. The wii succeeded because of the sheer amount of work nintendo puts into its franchises, but we are just getting a lot of junk with the new motion control system, (maybe aside from some ps3 motion games, SOCOM eg.)
Yea we are on the same page, i think the fact that it not only knows what you do with the remote but where it is, can be very good for games. Check this out if you haven't already:Darktau said:I was referring to the PSMOVE as a HD wii (Just so were on the same page), and it basically just is, it has 3D positioning, which is cool, but I am not sure how many other features are actually applicable to games most gamers will want to play.Jkudo said:Woah...not an HD wii. There are plenty of things it can do that the wii cannot.Darktau said:Think it will crash and burn like the eyetoy? effectively coming up we just have a HD eyetoy and a HD wii, i'm not convinced any amount of marketing will let it take off to a become a major part of gaming. The wii succeeded because of the sheer amount of work nintendo puts into its franchises, but we are just getting a lot of junk with the new motion control system, (maybe aside from some ps3 motion games, SOCOM eg.)
Person 1 to Person 2: Wave your arms around!Jim Grim said:"You don't have to do anything you don't already do." Yup, because I wave my arms around like that all the time.