Yeah I do wish the show had gone all out batshit crazy, or at least as much as it could with the budget (could they have afforded some proper wuxia-style wirework? That would have been way better than the slap fights we ended up with). Like, the Hand have realised Iron Fist is in town and are shitting themselves because of it, so they call in their best and wackiest assassins to try and take him down because normal mooks aren't going to cut it. That tournament episode needed to be more than just one episode, each of those fighters could have had an episode to themselves. Going into the show I was expecting something like a live action Kung Fu Panda, what I got was more like House Of Cards But With Punching. Yawn...Queen Michael said:I just watched the final episode and holy shitbuckets did that show suck. Maybe it's because I marathoned it, but the show is just so boring. Yeah, it starts out okay, but it never really gets going. It's like if the Springsteen "Glory Days" were to end after fifteen seconds--it wouldn't be as good a song, because that kick-ass intro is only good because something follows after it.
Also, why do we never get to see K'un-Lun? How does the series improve by not showing us that? "Yeah, we have this guy from a magical ancient city, who fought a dragon with his bare hands. So obviously, corporate board meetings and hostile takeovers is what we should focus on." Awesome idea! The next Spider-Man movie should focus on Aunt May doing her taxes!
And yeah, the fight scenes weren't great. You never got a feeling that Iron Fist was this invincible warrior god. He just felt like one out of many skilled fighters.
Another problem: All the most interesting characters were given the least focus (except for Madame Gao, who got the screentime she deserved). You know the guy who murdered people while singing karaoke? Or the drunk guy who spoke in that nifty British accent? Now those were interesting! But no, we got much more focus on Ward. And he was not that interesting. He actually had a decent arc, but not great. Not even good, IMO. Just not that bad. And Joy felt like a cookie-cutter character: a twenty-something woman who speaks in a soft almost whispering voice, and is strong but gets Very Emotional sometimes... She had no real unique personality.
Wire-fu is the worst.Pallindromemordnillap said:Yeah I do wish the show had gone all out batshit crazy, or at least as much as it could with the budget (could they have afforded some proper wuxia-style wirework? That would have been way better than the slap fights we ended up with). Like, the Hand have realised Iron Fist is in town and are shitting themselves because of it, so they call in their best and wackiest assassins to try and take him down because normal mooks aren't going to cut it. That tournament episode needed to be more than just one episode, each of those fighters could have had an episode to themselves. Going into the show I was expecting something like a live action Kung Fu Panda, what I got was more like House Of Cards But With Punching. Yawn...Queen Michael said:I just watched the final episode and holy shitbuckets did that show suck. Maybe it's because I marathoned it, but the show is just so boring. Yeah, it starts out okay, but it never really gets going. It's like if the Springsteen "Glory Days" were to end after fifteen seconds--it wouldn't be as good a song, because that kick-ass intro is only good because something follows after it.
Also, why do we never get to see K'un-Lun? How does the series improve by not showing us that? "Yeah, we have this guy from a magical ancient city, who fought a dragon with his bare hands. So obviously, corporate board meetings and hostile takeovers is what we should focus on." Awesome idea! The next Spider-Man movie should focus on Aunt May doing her taxes!
And yeah, the fight scenes weren't great. You never got a feeling that Iron Fist was this invincible warrior god. He just felt like one out of many skilled fighters.
Another problem: All the most interesting characters were given the least focus (except for Madame Gao, who got the screentime she deserved). You know the guy who murdered people while singing karaoke? Or the drunk guy who spoke in that nifty British accent? Now those were interesting! But no, we got much more focus on Ward. And he was not that interesting. He actually had a decent arc, but not great. Not even good, IMO. Just not that bad. And Joy felt like a cookie-cutter character: a twenty-something woman who speaks in a soft almost whispering voice, and is strong but gets Very Emotional sometimes... She had no real unique personality.
And yet when you say a guy knows kung fu so good that his kung fu is literally magic its exactly what I expect. Keeping things real works for Daredevil, who is a normal squishy human, but when you're the sort of dude who explains his abilities with terms that start "well I focus my chi..." then you're going to look disappointing if you're not offering something thats at least as good as the grounded guy. Something way more bombastic is neededSouplex said:Wire-fu is the worst.
Nothing has any weight, impact, or bite.
Why'd you watch it then?Queen Michael said:I just watched the final episode and holy shitbuckets did that show suck.
A singular ninja is cool. The fight against Nobu in DareDevil Season 1 is great.Souplex said:The problem with Iron Fist, Daredevil 2, and the Defenders is simple: The Hand.
It's time we as a society accepted that ninjas aren't cool.
So that I could understand the plot of The Defenders. I've been looking forward to that show for years and if I have to sit through Iron Fist to enjoy it properly then so be it.Johnny Novgorod said:Why'd you watch it then?Queen Michael said:I just watched the final episode and holy shitbuckets did that show suck.
I've got some bad news for you then. Defenders tries very hard to "fix" Iron Fist. It kind of spends all its time trying to "fix" the worst points of the Marvel Netflix universe rather than build on the story or even highlight what worked. What it turns out to be is an 8 episode extension of Iron Fist and the terrible second half of Daredevil season 2... with Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Not story points or intrigue from JJ or LC, just the characters thrown in to IF + DD Season 2 (the bad half.)Queen Michael said:So that I could understand the plot of The Defenders. I've been looking forward to that show for years and if I have to sit through Iron Fist to enjoy it properly then so be it.Johnny Novgorod said:Why'd you watch it then?Queen Michael said:I just watched the final episode and holy shitbuckets did that show suck.
Ugh, I know. The show makes it clear within the first 5 minutes or so that "Yep, villain is going to be The Hand again". It also doesn't help that the first villain is generally the better, more interesting one, outshining their eventual replacements.Kyrian007 said:But somehow it isn't bad. I just wish it had done its own thing. I wish the villain was more interesting than The Hand.I wish they would stop making the exact same villain fakeout every single show they put out (at this point it will only be a twist when they STOP doing it.)
Post-credits scene aside, I am looking forward to what they could do with Punisher. He was easily the best part of DD season 2 and one of the high points of the Netflix MCU as a whole.Just watch for post credits drop and that's followed by a trailer for the next Marvel show.