Football violence & fan violence in general.

[fix-the-spade]

Joke's on fans. With the whole thing being on TV in wonderful HD the police will be taking their time identifying who and what they did.

Then they'll never get into a football game again for as long as they live (if they're lucky), I wonder if it'll seem so much fun then. I'm quite surprised the police didn't just go at them with the pepper spray, that would have made an interesting youtube reel.

 

[unbreakable212]

Millwall fans are usually known for being well... violent and looking for a fight, I think the only reason they kicked off is because Wigan knocked them out of the FA Cup when they were so close to a final. Again, you should look at fan violence in football but in europe, compared to some country's the UK fans kicking off occasionally is miniscule. The most recent one I remember were the Tottenham fans attacked in Italy by Lazio's "Ultras" which ended with one of them being stabbed in the neck, just because they were fans of the opposition...

 

[Ashadowpie]

* sigh * its like people just turn into monkeys when they're in a crowd and around sports. hey, maybe it will stop if we ban Sports because its "ruining society" naawww the US alone blows too much useless money into there precious foodball to think twice about it even if 3,000 fans died because of the ridiculous Monkey violence.

bunch of moneys, go do an activity thats actually intelligent, maybe you'll even evolve a little from the experience? i sure hope you do, you silly monkey

 

[CrazyGirl17]

...And stuff like this is why I don't like sports nuts. It's good to be a fan of something, but when you go too far...

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

Being a West Ham fan (Millwall's bitter rivals for those not in the know) I probably shouldn't be allowed to comment on this, but Millwall do have a lot of shitty fans. They're still the minority, and I'm sure that a lot of their fans are thoroughly decent human beings, but they do have fans who go to games with the mindset of wreaking havoc.

Last year both of the West Ham vs Millwall games had to happen before all other games in the capital to allow for extra police to be about to have it on lockdown, and they had to close some of the stands so that the fans weren't too close to each other. Millwall like fighting.

For films on the subject, try Green Street and Rise of the Footsoldier (both of which are terrible).

 

[Albino Boo]

Being a West Ham fan (Millwall's bitter rivals for those not in the know) I probably shouldn't be allowed to comment on this, but Millwall do have a lot of shitty fans. They're still the minority, and I'm sure that a lot of their fans are thoroughly decent human beings, but they do have fans who go to games with the mindset of wreaking havoc.

Last year both of the West Ham vs Millwall games had to happen before all other games in the capital to allow for extra police to be about to have it on lockdown, and they had to close some of the stands so that the fans weren't too close to each other. Millwall like fighting.

For films on the subject, try Green Street and Rise of the Footsoldier (both of which are terrible).

The story I heard was the fight started between Millwall fans. Some drunk Millwall fan knocked over a guys daughter, her father asked him to apologize. The drunk punched the father, the father punched back, the drunks mates got involved and then the fathers mates got involved. The police and the stewards did nothing for 20 minutes and then went in all batons waving and things went downhill from there.

The only real solution is play watch a manly game like rugby, no crowd trouble there and the only punches thrown are on the pitch.

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

Being a West Ham fan (Millwall's bitter rivals for those not in the know) I probably shouldn't be allowed to comment on this, but Millwall do have a lot of shitty fans. They're still the minority, and I'm sure that a lot of their fans are thoroughly decent human beings, but they do have fans who go to games with the mindset of wreaking havoc.

Last year both of the West Ham vs Millwall games had to happen before all other games in the capital to allow for extra police to be about to have it on lockdown, and they had to close some of the stands so that the fans weren't too close to each other. Millwall like fighting.

For films on the subject, try Green Street and Rise of the Footsoldier (both of which are terrible).

The story I heard was the fight started between Millwall fans. Some drunk Millwall fan knocked over a guys daughter, her father asked him to apologize. The drunk punched the father, the father punched back, the drunks mates got involved and then the fathers mates got involved. The police and the stewards did nothing for 20 minutes and then went in all batons waving and things went downhill from there.

The only real solution is play watch a manly game like rugby, no crowd trouble there and the only punches thrown are on the pitch.

I once heard it said that football is a gentleman's sport watched by hooligans while rugby is a hooligan's sport watched by gentlemen.

I still love football and have little time for rugby, but hey! It always irks me when people say that football is a sport for pussies, though. I read somewhere that football has the most and the worst injuries of any sport, which was pretty galling. Easy to believe though, watch just about any 'horror tackle' reel on youtube and you'll be put off meals for the foreseeable future.

 

[Wadders]

Being a West Ham fan (Millwall's bitter rivals for those not in the know) I probably shouldn't be allowed to comment on this, but Millwall do have a lot of shitty fans. They're still the minority, and I'm sure that a lot of their fans are thoroughly decent human beings, but they do have fans who go to games with the mindset of wreaking havoc.

Last year both of the West Ham vs Millwall games had to happen before all other games in the capital to allow for extra police to be about to have it on lockdown, and they had to close some of the stands so that the fans weren't too close to each other. Millwall like fighting.

For films on the subject, try Green Street and Rise of the Footsoldier (both of which are terrible).

The story I heard was the fight started between Millwall fans. Some drunk Millwall fan knocked over a guys daughter, her father asked him to apologize. The drunk punched the father, the father punched back, the drunks mates got involved and then the fathers mates got involved. The police and the stewards did nothing for 20 minutes and then went in all batons waving and things went downhill from there.

The only real solution is play watch a manly game like rugby, no crowd trouble there and the only punches thrown are on the pitch.

I once heard it said that football is a gentleman's sport watched by hooligans while rugby is a hooligan's sport watched by gentlemen.

I still love football and have little time for rugby, but hey! It always irks me when people say that football is a sport for pussies, though. I read somewhere that football has the most and the worst injuries of any sport, which was pretty galling. Easy to believe though, watch just about any 'horror tackle' reel on youtube and you'll be put off meals for the foreseeable future.

The perception that football is a "gay" or "pussy" sport, is usually espoused by so-called rugby fans, part timers who only watch internationals on TV and don't even follow a team. At least that's what I've found.

For anyone to say that footballers are pussies just because they aren't built like brick shithouses and don't hurl themselves at one another is a bit silly. They're still pro athletes playing in a very physical sport, and as you said there's lots of room for some pretty grim injuries.

* sigh * its like people just turn into monkeys when they're in a crowd and around sports. hey, maybe it will stop if we ban Sports because its "ruining society" naawww the US alone blows too much useless money into there precious foodball to think twice about it even if 3,000 fans died because of the ridiculous Monkey violence.

bunch of moneys, go do an activity thats actually intelligent, maybe you'll even evolve a little from the experience? i sure hope you do, you silly monkey

This attitude really fucks me off. You don't think you can be intelligent and be a sports fan at the same time? Wow.

It's important to understand that these are the actions of a minority, spoiling it for the vast amount of fans who can go to a game, sing and support their team, and behave themselves. Not every one of the 90,000 or so people under the Wembly roof belong to a "bunch of monkeys" as you so eloquently put it.

 

[Tom_green_day]

Why are people so surprised that there was violence at a football game? I'd be more surprised if it was absent.

I once heard it said that football is a gentleman's sport watched and played by hooligans while rugby is a hooligan's sport played by gentlemen.

This is why. Edited a bit. The kind of fans that football attracts are the kind of people who are more violent. Take cricket, as a contrast. There is no violence at games as the audience is more middle class.

 

[Albino Boo]

I once heard it said that football is a gentleman's sport watched by hooligans while rugby is a hooligan's sport watched by gentlemen.

I still love football and have little time for rugby, but hey! It always irks me when people say that football is a sport for pussies, though. I read somewhere that football has the most and the worst injuries of any sport, which was pretty galling. Easy to believe though, watch just about any 'horror tackle' reel on youtube and you'll be put off meals for the foreseeable future.

I watched the 2010 Scotland v Wales game in which Thom Evan broke his neck and Chris ­ Paterson received a ruptured kidney that required emergency surgery. It an unfortunate fact that a sport when 15-20 stone men are sprinting into each other life changing injuries do occur. I also remember James Hooke dislocating a finger during a tackle running to the sideline getting the finger put back in and then running back to rejoin play. Mr Hookes desire to get on with game contrasts rather well the footballers habit of rolling on the ground for 5 minutes after having their shirt tugged.




this is rugby players day job.

 

[Rblade]

anywhere, anytime, you get large groups of people together supporting a bunch of teams or sides that are engaged in competition of any sort. A select group of people in that demographic will use this as a reason to kick some other people's teeth in.

See internet comment sections on the merrit of one celebirty or the other for a less physical example of this. It's simply because football has huge followings so the percentage that is looking for a reason to get the testosterone out of there system is much larger then for most other sports. Football is also very much a sport off all people. Where other sports, like tennis, are more for the high brow. And allthough that class of people can defenitly be nasty they don't tend to bring baseball bats to the situation.

really I'm pretty sure if curling ever amased droves of avid fans; before long you'd have groups of people shoving brooms up eachothers asses.

On the flip side at the europa cup and the world cup fans tend to be much more civilised because 1 tight security 2 a much higher concentration of dads with children and people in funny hats. Which goes to show, it's not the sport, it's the crowd. And if football where to be banned, they will find another excuse trust me.

 

[snyperal]

I am a fulham fan here, fyi.

Football has a very thuggery past, milwall especially and i can understand why this violence breaks outs. tension, testosterone, adrenaline and a few beers all make this inevitable.

What i cant quite fathom, however is the reasoning behind the newcastle supporter who "punched a horse in the neck" at the weekend over some thatcher rant / march match. not only is the horse bigger, it also has a rozzer on the back sporting rather fetching riot helment and protective goodies, which i am sure he put to good use when in the next picture you see the aforementioned footballist with a bloody nose and handcuffs.

 

[PunkRex]

I grew up around Millwall (New Cross Gate) and my dad used to 'run' with these idiots when he was younger. Im proud to say that he had the common sense to stop this stupid shit before he got to deep but its cunts like this who make me depise the area I grew up in. If your willing to hurt someone over something as petty as a fucking football game then I have no sympathy if you get your head smashed in by the police.

 

[snyperal]

I grew up around Millwall (New Cross Gate) and my dad used to 'run' with these idiots when he was younger. Im proud to say that he had the common sense to stop this stupid shit before he got to deep but its cunts like this who make me depise the area I grew up in. If your willing to hurt someone over something as petty as a fucking football game then I have no sympathy if you get your head smashed in by the police.

amen. lol

 

[Wadders]

I also remember James Hooke dislocating a finger during a tackle running to the sideline getting the finger put back in and then running back to rejoin play. Mr Hookes desire to get on with game contrasts rather well the footballers habit of rolling on the ground for 5 minutes after having their shirt tugged.

It is infuriating when footballers do that, and I say this as a fan. But more often than not, it isn't because they are actually pussies, they're just making a meal of it so the referee punishes the other team.

Then there is the other side of the coin: You get goalkeepers and defenders making last ditch challenges to protect their goal, putting themselves at risk from getting a studded boot full force in the face, balls, or any other exceedingly painful place. Goalkeepers quote often get injured like this - after attempting to clear a ball away in a crowded area, Tim Krul dislocated a shoulder yesterday. For instance in the same game (Tyne and Wear derby), a Newcastle defender put in a diving header to clear the ball away as it hit the ground, about 2 inches away from the driving foot of a Sunderland player who would have scored had he got contact on the ball. Probably a millisecond away from a broken jaw.

So you do see both sides of the coin, with some footballers genuinely putting their safety on the line for their team.

 

[Aris Khandr]

* sigh * its like people just turn into monkeys when they're in a crowd and around sports. hey, maybe it will stop if we ban Sports because its "ruining society" naawww the US alone blows too much useless money into there precious foodball to think twice about it even if 3,000 fans died because of the ridiculous Monkey violence.

bunch of moneys, go do an activity thats actually intelligent, maybe you'll even evolve a little from the experience? i sure hope you do, you silly monkey

It is, of course, impossible to be an intelligent person and still enjoy sports, right? No, no, far better to just blanket insult a vast majority of the world's population. Surely that won't come off as absurd in any way...

For those who are interested, we do have a Premier League user group. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Barclays-Premier-League

We don't strictly stay on topic, though, often discussing international games and the like, too.

 

[Wadders]

* sigh * its like people just turn into monkeys when they're in a crowd and around sports. hey, maybe it will stop if we ban Sports because its "ruining society" naawww the US alone blows too much useless money into there precious foodball to think twice about it even if 3,000 fans died because of the ridiculous Monkey violence.

bunch of moneys, go do an activity thats actually intelligent, maybe you'll even evolve a little from the experience? i sure hope you do, you silly monkey

It is, of course, impossible to be an intelligent person and still enjoy sports, right? No, no, far better to just blanket insult a vast majority of the world's population. Surely that won't come off as absurd in any way...

For those who are interested, we do have a Premier League user group. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Barclays-Premier-League

We don't strictly stay on topic, though, often discussing international games and the like, too.

Ooh, I never even expected there would be a football group here! Please may I join?

Although I support a League 1 side (Shrewsbury Town) my Dad's a Man City fan and I see games with him, so I do know some about the Prem

 

[Aris Khandr]

It's open to everyone. Just click the link and push the "Join Group" button near the top.