Forget the zombie apocalypse
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I really don't think that there's really an actual argument going on here. At the core of all of this, I'm sure we all believe that if there were no guns at all, then we would be safer from guns. But guns do exist and somehow criminals always do seem to get their hands on them; I'm also sure that most of the "normal people" who own guns probably own a handgun for protection their house, and maybe a couple rifles or shotguns for hunting. Of those "normal people," how many actually commit robberies or shoot up a school or other public place? The answer, w/o providing hard facts, is somewhere in the very low percentages. And assuming that just because someone owns a gun that they will commit some sort of crime is not only mistaken, but also a little depressing. Depressing in the manner that you can't even trust your fellow man.
I'm all for regulation of guns to a point, but I think that everyone who wishes to prohibit guns of any kind, or even crossbows, w/o discrimination is a bit crazy (pardon my lack of a better word).
And to everyone who is hating on those who aren't open-minded, just remember that you're hypocrites now because you're being close-minded about the situation instead of listening to the other side.
I'm all for regulation of guns to a point, but I think that everyone who wishes to prohibit guns of any kind, or even crossbows, w/o discrimination is a bit crazy (pardon my lack of a better word).
And to everyone who is hating on those who aren't open-minded, just remember that you're hypocrites now because you're being close-minded about the situation instead of listening to the other side.
I can see most people believing that a handgun is a viable self defense option. But after several years in the infantry and firing a plethora of weapons, the pistol is nearly useless. The barrel is so short that even if you are a few millimetres off in your aim at a target 5 metres away this will usually result in you missing your target. On top of that most people are not trained in proper marksmenship principles which can take years to fully develop. Compounded with during a home invasion the stress level is high which causes the adrenaline to flow through the body which in turn causes the hands to shake further ruining your aim.
Truly the apex in your home defence needs is same now as it always has been the dog. A dog is loud and has teeth. Most burglars don't want to go through the hassle of subduing a dog.
When faced with a mugger just let them have your wallet. You can always get new stuff.
As for gun control ban semi-auto weapons. You don't need a C7(M16) to hunt. Besides bolt action weapons have better accuracy over distance.
"Arch if you had a gun you would have been shot"
"But I still would have had my money"
All in the Family season 3 Archie and the editorial
Truly the apex in your home defence needs is same now as it always has been the dog. A dog is loud and has teeth. Most burglars don't want to go through the hassle of subduing a dog.
When faced with a mugger just let them have your wallet. You can always get new stuff.
As for gun control ban semi-auto weapons. You don't need a C7(M16) to hunt. Besides bolt action weapons have better accuracy over distance.
"Arch if you had a gun you would have been shot"
"But I still would have had my money"
All in the Family season 3 Archie and the editorial
Doesn't that ban certain hunting rifles and shotguns? I've hunted pheasant, duck, and deer before; sometimes you just need that second (or even third) shot.nabaal said:
But I do agree w/ most of what you said. I do think that those who choose to own a handgun, or possibly any gun at all, should be given lessons in marksmanship so that issues like what you mentioned can be somewhat resolved. A well-trained guard dog is your best defense, my father told me that and I believe it.
EDIT: I realize that sometimes the time constraints in hunting don't always require the speed of a semi-automatic firearm. What I posed was merely hypothetical.
The belief that guns can be used to keep the American government in check is complete bull. For far too long the American government has been destroying any and all rights of the American public, but where have the second ammendment supporters been? Sitting at home stroking their guns because you gun supporters can't face the idea of using the gun in a fire fight, you feel much tougher using the gun to threaten everyone.
The gun supporters use their guns to threaten. They try to threaten off teenagers, thieves, murderers etc; but when it comes to actually using the gun against the government because they are losing rights which is the whole point of the second ammendment, the gun supporters go quiet. They know that if they try to overthrow the government they will be facing trained soldiers which can kill them and who can't be threatened by waving their pistol around, so they do nothing and void the whole point of the second ammendment debate.joystickjunki3 said:
Tell me gun supporters, how many rights are you prepared to lose before you do something?
Oh, my bad. I completely understand now. Having read your first post again I feel like somewhat of an idiot. But it's not complete bull about guns being used to keep the government in check, it's just no happening.hypothetical fact said:
You are correct. I do think that too many rights are being lost, but I think I can admit that when it comes to standing up for your rights by yourself nowadays will get you nowhere. If I did so, then most likely I would die or be put away and the media (liberal or conservative) would mock my efforts. It would all be a waste. When the time comes for a large group to stand up against this, probably when the laws go way too far, I will stand w/ those people. Until then, I'm not a leader and I could be considered a coward.
Then again, I also believe that if the people don't like the government, then it should be discarded and started over (preferably w/o conflict). But that's not going to go anywhere either.
In the constitution it says, "The right to bear arms."ygetoff said:instead of banning guns altogether ( a useless move) the government should instead move to regulate handguns and assualt weapons. nobody has any use for assualt weapons, and handguns are the cause of an absurd amount of gun accidents.rossatdi said:Calm down. You sound like the last person I'd want to have a gun. Also, how many cases of home owners fighting off hordes of gun armed raiders have you heard about in the last month. This isn't the wild west and it's not the apocalypse.AntiThom said:
Map of homicide rates, darker = higher. Note the USA's darker shade.
long guns are fine for hunting, and hunting only.
the constitution does not guarentee a right to assualt weapons, or even guns in general. it means for "a well-regulated militia" known in the US as the National Guard.
But I have been hunting with a pistol before, they aren't as accurate so you have to get closer which makes it more of a challenge. And automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S.. They have a mechanism that makes them semi-auto. I don't think they're completely necessary though. Why I get so angry about this is the fact that it aborts one of our rights. I live in a rural state where hunting is part of family tradition, and most towns would become ghost towns without those Californians coming to hunt.
The guy who started this thread is being a bit one sided and not considering other people's views. However, calling all Americans stupid gun toting rednecks is just as bad. Most families teach their children to be extremely careful around guns and to not even touch one.
Basically Obama has no right to take our guns away because those rights are "God given" to Americans. And, despite what some people think, Obama is not God. Also, on that map, notice how the U.K. is close to the same color as the U.S. and Russia, which doesn't allow civilians to own guns at all, is darker than the U.S..
Rant for rights over. (Like my rhyme?)
The way I see it, sure they are negatives to gun control but I think the positives would out way them. In Australia at least, gun control is working fine. Perhaps the main problem with all the high murder rates in America has nothing to do with guns at all and is based around the abysmal education system, possibly bad parenting and other factors like those.
Perhaps responsible gun owners will have to give up some of their rights to live in a more peaceful America whether it is fair to them or not.
Not knowing many of the facts of the proposed law, you can still use hunting rifles with licenses right? What do you really need the banned guns for?
Edit: Also, despite my poor knowledge of the history of America, don't you think times have changed a bit since the constitution was introduced.
Perhaps responsible gun owners will have to give up some of their rights to live in a more peaceful America whether it is fair to them or not.
Not knowing many of the facts of the proposed law, you can still use hunting rifles with licenses right? What do you really need the banned guns for?
Edit: Also, despite my poor knowledge of the history of America, don't you think times have changed a bit since the constitution was introduced.
false. Canada has roughly the same number of guns per capita as the U.S., but far fewer violent gun crimes... go watch Bowling for Columbine...Fightgarr said:
EDIT: Obama is not going to take away our guns. that is just sensationalist propaganda, and if you believe that then you probably believe that Bush started Armageddon....
The right to bear arms is just ANOTHER right that your government is trying to suppress to the point that it might as well not be there.
Gun control doesn't stop violent crimes, I live in Adelaide, South Australia, guns are very hard to get you're hands on yet we still have the worlds highest serial killer to normal person ratio in the world and there's a little over 1 million people in the state.
My point is if someone wants to kill they will still try to kill with whatever they can get their hands on and most people arnt a good brawler like me or a martial arts expert and would stand a much better chance to protect themselves with in a gunfight.
Gun control doesn't stop violent crimes, I live in Adelaide, South Australia, guns are very hard to get you're hands on yet we still have the worlds highest serial killer to normal person ratio in the world and there's a little over 1 million people in the state.
My point is if someone wants to kill they will still try to kill with whatever they can get their hands on and most people arnt a good brawler like me or a martial arts expert and would stand a much better chance to protect themselves with in a gunfight.
I do hate it when scales are not provided. What are these arbitrary numbers? why is the relative range on the scales change so damn much? each range gets progressively larger, but medium dark blue america could be a five, while lighter blue france could also be a five. Theres lots of wiggle room between each scale, and plenty of artistic freedom allowed to colorize the map as one sees fit.Map of homicide rates, darker = higher. Note the USA's darker shade.
and 0 - 1, 5 - 10 what? homicides per gun? homicides per million people? Theres seriously only like 10 canadians in all of canada, they obviously aren't bumping into eachother enough to kill eachother. Look! Iraq and sudan are both unreported... but maybe we could just assume those are black at infinity billion +.
Not saying there isn't crime in america. When you make gun control laws, all the law-abiding citizens obey. Criminals don't, and they have a heyday. Owning a gun, or at least being able to own a gun, makes you a citizen, being forcibly disarmed makes you a subject.
I find this entire topic pretty offensive, coming from an American who voted Democratic this year.
Oh well, if you can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em.
*ahem* Yee haw! We gotta stop dem der whackjobs frum takin all our guns away! *fires a shotgun into the air*
Oh well, if you can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em.
*ahem* Yee haw! We gotta stop dem der whackjobs frum takin all our guns away! *fires a shotgun into the air*
Yeah...I asked myself the same thing.excessum ado said:
Remember Land of the Dead (or was it Dawn of the Dead...I always mix those up) when those survivors had that armored tank thing,and they still managed to get themselves killed?
Yeah...Zombies always win...