Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher dies, aged 87.

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ninjaRiv said:
But yeah, she sucked! The weirdest thing to come out of this news is seeing people defend her policies and say the shit she did benefited the country, that we now have a growing, prosperous country. I shit you not, people are saying that. They say it like it's fact.
What do you expect really? We live in a country with a Chancellor who didn't know what a regressive tax is and blamed the welfare state for a guy burning his kids to death. Not to mention a work and pensions secretary that doesn't seem to understand the size of living costs. These are the lunatics that have idolised Thatcher for her anti-poor, pro-privatisation, anti-government control stance. Of course they will claim that her polices were good, they've been saying similar things since the 80s.
 

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Came in to post Elvis Costello's "Tramp the Dirt Down", and saw I'd been beaten to it. That's pretty much the one good thing to come out of the Thatcher era--the music.
 

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SpunkeyMonkey said:
The fact that she was female tends to somehow mask the fact that she her treatment of British mining communities wasn't a million miles away from Hitler's treatment of Jews. Had mass genocide been an option I dare say she would have strongly considered it, as she essentially "killed" many people anyway.
Christ, I hope you're 16 or younger so we can all chuckle and say you'll grow out of it. That is possibly the single-most embarrassing comment I've ever read on this site.

Utterly laughable.

ninjaRiv said:
But yeah, she sucked! The weirdest thing to come out of this news is seeing people defend her policies and say the shit she did benefited the country, that we now have a growing, prosperous country. I shit you not, people are saying that. They say it like it's fact.
It's the same with pretty much any public figure. Jade Goody somehow became the People's Princess Mark II when she died. Besides which, we have a Conservative government which comprises mostly of people who think she gone done good. So it's not that surprising. Not seen the reactions of anyone in the other parties - they're hardly gonna pick this moment to slam a recently deceased 87-year-old Alzheimer's sufferer, though.

Besides which, it is quite funny seeing several news outlets give out neutral statements like "She sure caused a lot of change!".
 

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Well, the only good politician is a dead one.

By the by, no due respect. She wasn't so respectful to the working class when she was alive (not to mention me respecting her or not wont effect her in anyway ... although, that's down to personal beliefs)
 

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I love how everyone's celebrating her death as though it has any relevance to her political policies. You guys DO know that she hasn't been prime minister for twenty-three years, right?

Worst thing she ever did was inspire Iain Duncan-Smith to enter politics. That man is a ****.
 

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And 30 years too late! It's pointless grave-dancing since she was going to die around this time anyway. Meanwhile the legacy of her neo-liberal economic policies lives on.
 

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Okay, some of you guys are fucking disgusting. Celebrating anyone's death is truly disrespectful and disregarding of the value of human life. I know she was divisive (hell, she was possibly evil), but when I see this thrown at Americans:


I call fucking hypocrisy.
 

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Vile, vile woman.

I have no sympathy for an evil Woman who ruined this country, unless you were rolling in the money. A woman who destroyed towns that still haven't recovered today. And now we have a complete twat in power who is going the same way by ripping apart the NHS, lining the pockets of the rich even more and privatizing everything he touches, just like her.
 

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Stake her through her black heart, just to be sure. CHildren in Britain have enough nightmares to have to deal with a vampiric Thatcher coming to suck even more blood...

Yeah, crass. And I don't really celebrate anyone's death. But I'm bloody sure I won't shed a single tear for the woman. She not only was a terrible PM, her politics sesverely affected the Reagn dmitistration and through the power of the USA, the whole world. THe absolutely rampant capitalism, that ripples to this very day, can be argued to be a cuase to the very crisis we are living now. I can say that her figure is very abhorrent to me.
 

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Doesn't affect me really, though I thought she was already dead. Got a bit shocked when I saw a Facebook friend who liked a page where they announced her death and celibrated. Horrible as she may have been(I don't know English politic history) I still think it's very distasteful.
 

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And suddenly the Left explodes onto the scene.

She is quite possibly one of the most controversial people in British culture. She has been a shambling shadow of the creature that she was in office for years and regardless of that, look at the response you have here.

In terms of sides, I'm not revealing mine. Of course the samll-minded and petty reader may interpret that as taking the side of supporting her. If thats the case, stop being petty.

Someone here want to start listing the things she did right? Merely for the sake of balance.
 

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Dangit2019 said:
Okay, some of you guys are fucking disgusting. Celebrating anyone's death is truly disrespectful and disregarding of the value of human life. I know she was divisive (hell, she was possibly evil), but when I see this thrown at Americans:


I call fucking hypocrisy.
I'm not celebrating because I wasn't directly affected by her and fortunately neither were my family (or at least they haven't said so) but I do understand why people are. Thatcher ruined people's lives, and she left some families crippled. She did not care for the working class and was more than prepared to throw them under the bus to benefit herself and her wealthy friends, so are you really surprised that people are celebrating her death after the suffering they endured while she was in power?

Thatcher did not show the people respect, and they aren't showing her any either.

I'm sure Brooker will probably be equally disgusted with the way people have been acting about this as well though, so keep your calling of hypocrisy quelled until he weighs in on this. That's HIS opinion, not the nation's.
 

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My mum was a hairdresser and my dad was a taxi driver and they lived in a council flat with me as a toddler back when she allowed people to buy their council homes for a heavily discounted price. My parents did so and a few years later sold it for over twice what they paid. This then allowed them to put down for a private home.

You left guys wanted a subjective view? There is one.


Objectively she improved the economy. It IS a fact. The economy isn't great now, I would be stupid to say such a thing but before the recession, the British economy was okay, and it would have been worse if not for her.

I am also fairly certain by the way that alot of the miners who lost their jobs were offered the chance to retrain.

Regardless, celebrating her death is definitely in poor taste.
 

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Most of the people complaining in this thread wouldn't have jobs today if it wasn't for Thatcher and her reforms. People are going to get angry, you cant stop them, so long as they are unable to see past their own noses. She wasn't perfect, and she was cold and cruel, but my god was she necessary for the UK. Breaking the trad Unions control of the labor market was probably her greatest achievement. Something England should still be thankful for to this day, but witch of course they canst stop complaining about.
 

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Thatcher was, along with Nelson Mandela, one of the two greatest heads of government in the 20th century. Obviously a substantial number of people hate her, including most people on this board, but Great Britain was a borderline failed state when she entered office. There were restrictions on how much money could be taken out of the country, unions could shut down society basically whenever they wanted, people were living in terrible state-owned housing, and the list goes on. Lady Thatcher realized that in order to save the country, she had to make a lot of people angry, especially the union leaders who had a completely unreasonable amount of influence.

She, almost single-handedly, transformed a failing welfare state that people with opportunity were fleeing from into a stable economic country, such that even her opposition eventually had to adopt many of her policies. To this date, she is the only modern Western political leader to revitalize a genuinely broken country's political systems and give it a sustainable budget, even without being fortunate enough to have a massive tech boom create a giant surplus by accident.

So yes, a lot of people were made worse off in the short term by what she did; that was because they should never have been given those things in the first place, because the long-term sustainability was never there. The only comfort in her death is that I can't see such a vibrant and intelligent lady wanting to spend any more time crippled with dementia.
 

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Dangit2019 said:
To be fair, WWE fans are a classy lot. I expect higher standards of conduct from them then from the general public in America, and really anybody in the UK.

The same with Geraldo. The man is pure class. I'd be shocked if I had watched his response live, too. To think, the class-act behind such documentaries as "She-Males in Prison" would rejoice in the suffering of another human being....

Anyway, celebration on this point is wrong. Honestly, I think it was wrong with Bin Laden, too. But nor do I have any particular sorrow for the passing of monsters.
 

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The issue of Thatcher seems to be mainly one of "Should people feel angry about being sacrificed to keep the nation propped up and viable in the current economic system, or should they endeavour not to be?"

Sure, you might come to a point where someone has to leave the lifeboat, but it is a little too much to ask for them not to resent you for it.

All I can really say, though, is that the funeral had better be private...
 

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She didn't like to be fucked with, which was a plus point (Iranian embassy siege, the Falklands).

But she spent her time fucking with everyone else!

All-in-all, I'm indifferent to this news.