Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher dies, aged 87.

[ninjaRiv]

And this isn't the "predictable" Escapist thing where everyone jumps on board with hate. This is a country full of people living with the consequences of her decisions even now, venting.

I'm pretty sure he meant predictable escapist in that the escapist community is known for predominantly associating with the left. So this thread is full of people who associate themselves with the left venting.

Edit: Removed the slightly passive aggressive part. Shouldn't post this late, and I preemptively apologise.

Considering the amount of times I've seen people say it the way I mentioned, it is an easy assumption to make.

I thought I was simply talking, rather than actively trying to convince anyone. I think that tone you got might have come from you reading my posts in that tone, rather than anything I've actually said. She did ruin thousands of lives. That's not really an opinion. To be honest, I thought I presented that in a civil way. But I could be wrong. I'd like to know if anyone else feels the way you do?

 

[BrotherRool]

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead hits the top 40 in the download charts? I thought Britain had more class than that It's pretty sad

 

[Woodsey]

The fact that she was female tends to somehow mask the fact that she her treatment of British mining communities wasn't a million miles away from Hitler's treatment of Jews. Had mass genocide been an option I dare say she would have strongly considered it, as she essentially "killed" many people anyway.

Christ, I hope you're 16 or younger so we can all chuckle and say you'll grow out of it. That is possibly the single-most embarrassing comment I've ever read on this site.

Utterly laughable.

As I've explained elsewhere I've known 2 people personally who took their own lives because they were stranded without work and vilified by the surrounding community due to her, and many more who just gave up, got on the dole and drunk/abused their lives away. I think death and shattered lives deserve that comparison, but if you'd liketo explain to me what's so embarrassing about it I'd be more than happy to take your opinion on-board? However, simply stating it's "Utterly embarrassing" and "laughable" as just some type of fact which we should take your word for is an empty statement.

And before you respond I would also bare in mind that she approved one of her cabinet members to write an article which stated that AIDs victims should be put in concentration camps too.

Systematically herding millions of people into death camps because you don't like the cut of their jib is not the same as making an economic decision whilst in government - however sweeping and fundamentally-altering it may be - even if people then take drastic action upon themselves because of it. Your actions leading to someone committing suicide is nowhere fucking near shooting them yourself.

A child could get that.

And being something of an economic cutthroat does not mean you'd consider fucking MASS GENOCIDE. I find it hard to believe anyone needs this explained.

As for that last bit, uh... link? Because you've not exactly established yourself as a source of the fair and balanced so far.

 

[Woodsey]

Systematically herding millions of people into death camps because you don't like the cut of their jib is not the same as making an economic decision whilst in government - however sweeping and fundamentally-altering it may be - even if people then take drastic action upon themselves because of it. Your actions leading to someone committing suicide is nowhere fucking near shooting them yourself.

A child could get that.

And being something of an economic cutthroat does not mean you'd consider fucking MASS GENOCIDE. I find it hard to believe anyone needs this explained.

As for that last bit, uh... link? Because you've not exactly established yourself as a source of the fair and balanced so far.

"Didn't like the cut of their jib"? So it had nothing to do with the fact that Hitler felt the Jews were to blame for Germany's failure in WW1 and that they weakened both Germany and the world? Your painting a false picture - Hitlers decision was also based on political motives too, in his eyes, better Germany and the world. I'd also argue that forcing someone to the point of suicide is just as good as pulling the trigger yourself.

And like I've said, she condoned the report which stated AIDs victims should be placed in concentration camps. Unfortunately I'm at work so only have limited internet access (certain sites blocked) but here's one of the links I can findm it's not something that I've made up and is well known amongst millions.....

http://tardiseruditorum.blogspot.co.uk/2011_12_01_archive.html

To her a burden was a burden and miners weren't much different. If you could see the state of the places which she destroyed believe me it's not that far off - of course I recognize that it is still some way off Hitler, but she didn't have the mass genocide option. Had she that option I wouldn't have been surprised if she had taken it.

By the way, is there really any need for "A child could get that"? Aren't you able just to exchange views without being so opinionated?

Not when your argument centres around invoking Godwin's Law entirely without irony.

"So it had nothing to do with the fact that Hitler felt the Jews were to blame for Germany's failure in WW1 and that they weakened both Germany and the world?"

It was racism and those were excuses to make it more palatable.

Besides which, are we now suggesting any attempt to fix a crap economic situation - which the mining issue was - is comparable to Hitler? People lose their jobs, industries close down and evolve. That's the way of the world, however upsetting that fact may be.

As for your link, the only thing in it I can see on the subject is the fact that the AIDS camp idea was someone else. And all I have from you is that she "condoned" it. That could mean anything from a full on endorsement and commissioning of the piece to simply not commenting on it. I'm well aware she was a homophobe - a shocker for a middle-aged Conservative in the 1980s - but all you've is that someone close to her wrote something deeply retarded.

Still, the very worst part of your opening comment is the fact that you've caused someone who doesn't identify with Thatcher in any way to look like a complete Thatcherite. What you came out with is simply reductive, rhetorical nonsense that adds precisely nothing to any discussion.

 

[rob_simple]

I just wish people under the age of 30, myself included, would fucking shut up about it.

The majority of us know absolutely nothing about what she actually did, we just know that we've to hate her for some reason. Whether or not that hate is justified is a different matter, but just blindly hating someone because you've been told that's what you've to do is fucking despicably stupid, and it describes just about everyone in my generation that didn't grow up under Thatcher's rule.

To me, she's just an old lady that died; I'm not upset because I didn't know her and, for the same reason, I have no cause to celebrate.

 

[Timmey]

I just wish people under the age of 30, myself included, would fucking shut up about it.

The majority of us know absolutely nothing about what she actually did, we just know that we've to hate her for some reason. Whether or not that hate is justified is a different matter, but just blindly hating someone because you've been told that's what you've to do is fucking despicably stupid, and it describes just about everyone in my generation that didn't grow up under Thatcher's rule.

To me, she's just an old lady that died; I'm not upset because I didn't know her and, for the same reason, I have no cause to celebrate.

This is one of the most annoying arguments that's started doing the rounds. Should we stop caring about everything out of our age range? The world wars? Other bad things that have happened in the world? Ah forget about those things, you weren't even alive when it happened!

Also you don't have to have grown up under her rule to feel its effect, chances are it effected your parents, so it effects you, especially if you live in the north. Not to mention we are currently reaping the rewards of her 'glorious economic achievements'.

 

[solad_nathair]

OK Thatcher was a ***** and we can all celebrate but let us not forget not everyone will be as happy about this news.

I think we should all take a moment and think about poor old Satan. He is the one stuck with her now and I feel sorry for him.

 

[DaWaffledude]

You know, I'm actually not sure what to think.

On the one hand, I know I should be respectful. She was a living person with thoughts and feelings, and it's sad she doesn't exist any more.

On the other hand, judging from this thread, (I'm Irish, never learned about her in school) that woman was a *****, and a lot of people are happy she's gone.

Wow. Someone found all the horcruxes?

You win the thread.

 

[rob_simple]

I just wish people under the age of 30, myself included, would fucking shut up about it.

The majority of us know absolutely nothing about what she actually did, we just know that we've to hate her for some reason. Whether or not that hate is justified is a different matter, but just blindly hating someone because you've been told that's what you've to do is fucking despicably stupid, and it describes just about everyone in my generation that didn't grow up under Thatcher's rule.

To me, she's just an old lady that died; I'm not upset because I didn't know her and, for the same reason, I have no cause to celebrate.

This is one of the most annoying arguments that's started doing the rounds. Should we stop caring about everything out of our age range? The world wars? Other bad things that have happened in the world? Ah forget about those things, you weren't even alive when it happened!

Also you don't have to have grown up under her rule to feel its effect, chances are it effected your parents, so it effects you, especially if you live in the north. Not to mention we are currently reaping the rewards of her 'glorious economic achievements'.

Congratulations on completely missing my point. I never said we shouldn't have opinions on things we didn't experience, I'm merely suggesting that one should first educate themselves on the subject in question, instead of basing their opinion entirely on what everyone else is saying.

Of course we should care about the ramifications of Thatcher's actions, that absolutely are still being felt today, what I am saying is the majority of teenagers and twentysomethings currently jumping on the hate-train have absolutely no idea about anything that she did or the people she fucked over; to them she's just a boogeyman and acceptable target of hate and bile.

It's the same as teenagers who buy Che Guevara posters and wear the t-shirts with his face, but I guarantee you if you cornered one of them and asked them what ideals they felt they shared with Che Guevara they'd sheepishly mumble something about communism then show you how much Rage Against the Machine they have on their iPod.

Educate yourself, then get angry.

 

[Timmey]

I just wish people under the age of 30, myself included, would fucking shut up about it.

The majority of us know absolutely nothing about what she actually did, we just know that we've to hate her for some reason. Whether or not that hate is justified is a different matter, but just blindly hating someone because you've been told that's what you've to do is fucking despicably stupid, and it describes just about everyone in my generation that didn't grow up under Thatcher's rule.

To me, she's just an old lady that died; I'm not upset because I didn't know her and, for the same reason, I have no cause to celebrate.

This is one of the most annoying arguments that's started doing the rounds. Should we stop caring about everything out of our age range? The world wars? Other bad things that have happened in the world? Ah forget about those things, you weren't even alive when it happened!

Also you don't have to have grown up under her rule to feel its effect, chances are it effected your parents, so it effects you, especially if you live in the north. Not to mention we are currently reaping the rewards of her 'glorious economic achievements'.

Congratulations on completely missing my point. I never said we shouldn't have opinions on things we didn't experience, I'm merely suggesting that one should first educate themselves on the subject in question, instead of basing their opinion entirely on what everyone else is saying.

Of course we should care about the ramifications of Thatcher's actions, that absolutely are still being felt today, what I am saying is the majority of teenagers and twentysomethings currently jumping on the hate-train have absolutely no idea about anything that she did or the people she fucked over; to them she's just a boogeyman and acceptable target of hate and bile.

It's the same as teenagers who buy Che Guevara posters and wear the t-shirts with his face, but I guarantee you if you cornered one of them and asked them what ideals they felt they shared with Che Guevara they'd sheepishly mumble something about communism then show you how much Rage Against the Machine they have on their iPod.

Educate yourself, then get angry.

Very true, I apologize if i came across in a bad way in my post, i couldn't agree more with what you say.

 

[rob_simple]

I just wish people under the age of 30, myself included, would fucking shut up about it.

The majority of us know absolutely nothing about what she actually did, we just know that we've to hate her for some reason. Whether or not that hate is justified is a different matter, but just blindly hating someone because you've been told that's what you've to do is fucking despicably stupid, and it describes just about everyone in my generation that didn't grow up under Thatcher's rule.

To me, she's just an old lady that died; I'm not upset because I didn't know her and, for the same reason, I have no cause to celebrate.

This is one of the most annoying arguments that's started doing the rounds. Should we stop caring about everything out of our age range? The world wars? Other bad things that have happened in the world? Ah forget about those things, you weren't even alive when it happened!

Also you don't have to have grown up under her rule to feel its effect, chances are it effected your parents, so it effects you, especially if you live in the north. Not to mention we are currently reaping the rewards of her 'glorious economic achievements'.

Congratulations on completely missing my point. I never said we shouldn't have opinions on things we didn't experience, I'm merely suggesting that one should first educate themselves on the subject in question, instead of basing their opinion entirely on what everyone else is saying.

Of course we should care about the ramifications of Thatcher's actions, that absolutely are still being felt today, what I am saying is the majority of teenagers and twentysomethings currently jumping on the hate-train have absolutely no idea about anything that she did or the people she fucked over; to them she's just a boogeyman and acceptable target of hate and bile.

It's the same as teenagers who buy Che Guevara posters and wear the t-shirts with his face, but I guarantee you if you cornered one of them and asked them what ideals they felt they shared with Che Guevara they'd sheepishly mumble something about communism then show you how much Rage Against the Machine they have on their iPod.

Educate yourself, then get angry.

Very true, I apologize if i came across in a bad way in my post, i couldn't agree more with what you say.

It's cool, I realise how my original post could have caused confusion. I also agree with you that people who think history has nothing to teach us are infuriatingly ignorant.

Sorry if I was overly confrontational in my last reply.

 

[synchro_w]

[there's a movie ABOUT 'thatcher, thatcher, the school milk snatcher'? they must be getting sooooo desperate in hollywood, never-neverland, everwhere, wherever they made it]

Won two Oscars, best makeup and best lead actress.

Sorry to sour your celebrations. Also won BAFTAs, a Golden Globe, and a veritable smorgasbord of various UK awards.

ummm.. how can i say this?
IT DOESN'T SOUR MY CELEBRATIONS IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER!!!HA HA HA HA!!
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD! THE WITCH IS DEAD! THE WITCH IS DEAD!

i couldn't give a flying about meryl sheep. seriously. good on her. i follow the artists', musicians awards.
well done, meryl!! well done!!

MORE IMPORTANTLY
"DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD"

ps, am i supposed to be impressed with meryl sheep? i liked her in that film with goldie hawn[horn?] and bruce willis. "death becomes her"? and i think i've seen her in.. no, that was chinatown.. i'm more bogart, casablanca, maltese falcon kinda movie fan. fight club, pulp fiction, aliens, predator, bladerunner were superb tho. but film noir is more my thing.

so sorry. happy ending. happy ending.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Wow, that's pretty harsh...

Yeah, I'm a Canadian and all I know is the Thatcher years would eventually serve as a model for the Suttler regime in "V for Vendetta". The comic, that is. She did raise Great Britain out of a fairly awful economic slump - but the cost was immense.

Just about the only positive thing I could mention is that without her fairly pathological need for control, we wouldn't have known the Sex Pistols. No Sex Pistols, practically no Punk music or Punk derivatives. Which kinda matters to me, as I'm a Misfits fan. Horror Punk for the win and all.