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MasochisticAvenger said:
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Damn, I thought the title said "Fun Thread". Can we stop with all the killing animal threads? They are, and always will be, entirely opinion-based so what's the point of even discussing it?
Well, by that logic, what's the point of discussing anything? If you're going to dismiss a subject because opinions are being brought to the table, you're not going to have a lot to talk about.
I think you might have accidentally missed half of what I said there. .

MasochisticAvenger said:
It's always going to devolve into an argument that only ends when people get too bored/disinterested to continue, until someone makes a new thread and the whole damn thing starts over again.
No, I saw it, and it's a good point. However, it wasn't really clear that you meant only in this specific situation; I thought you were inferring that it was never worth the time to have a discussion when everyones positions were based on their opinions.

My bad, I suppose.
 

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Rabid animal rights activist here! I've always been a bit out spoken on these issues, but I'd like to think that regardless of how I've always stated my opinion I've at least a been a bit polite and tolerable. Even if only because I've enforced an obligatory oath on my self. And well, today I'm not too sure if I can keep that. Because where as I'm usually an outspoken person, fur is the one issue that really, really pisses me off. The way Yagami Light views crime, I view people who wear fur. So, given that this is the one issue that really gets me angry and want to skin someone alive, I guess it's certainly going to be interesting to see whether or not I get my self banned from the escapist through my complete bat shit insanity.

Firstly, I'm going to go ahead and give everyone some numbers. 30 million animals are killed every year for fur. To clarify; this is some where's around how many people have died of aids since it's discovery. To make a single fur coat, it can take quite a few animals. Now, I'm no taxidermist so I wouldn't happen to know exactly how many it takes, but from what I understand depending on what animal is being killed, it can take up to twenty of them.

Now lets actually get into the things that piss me off.

Firstly, let me complain about the fur industry its self. You can never trust a business with ethics, but the fur industry hits a new low that even the meat industry hasn't reached. Besides a lot of corporations saying 'that we take care of the animals' (P.S - they fucking don't.)some places even skin the animals alive. And it gets even better. In the past there have been issues where China has been selling fur as faux - fur. So, basically, they don't just skin animals alive, they're also being completely dishonest about it. They don't care about decency or honesty, they just don't. And with ethics like this, it simply cannot be argued that they don't deserve anyone defending them. There is no moral gray area, absolutely none. The fur industry is vile and it needs to end. And once we end it; I can assure you the world will be a better place. The cure to cancer won't be found and your life will still be meaningless; but at least you can rest your head in knowing that fox plushie you bought for your daughter that loves animals isn't made of those precious animals.

Now we get to the arguments that defend this awful industry. I'll start with the stupid ones first and ease my ways into intelligent ones. First, lets start with this little abomination - 'We need fur to keep warm!'

Oh, you do? You need to buy a two thousand dollar coat to keep warm in a world with winter jackets that can cost not even a quarter of that price? Guys, you remember that part about 'dishonesty'? Yeah, it seems it's not just the industry that loves wanking off that word.

'You're just against fur because he's black!'

Yup. I actually heard this somewhere.

'They're just animals who cares?'

You're just an animal too. If you don't want to suffer then maybe you shouldn't be expectant of any other animals to do so. This argument is the epitome of being selfish and apathetic. These aren't good traits, my dear.

'Leather is the same thing!'

No it's not. There's a little thing called context. Last time I checked, a lot of people eat cows, not foxes. Leather also plays an actual part in our daily lives. It's our wallets, our shoes, our coats, and our coaches. I'm not too particularly fond of leather, but I understand that it's relevant to our society. There will come a time when it'll be obsolete just like fur, but we're not quite there yet. You see, the core difference between the two is that fur is nothing but a status symbol where as leather is actually practical. We don't need fur for anything at all.

'There's too many animals, this is a good way in keeping their population in check'

There's 7.7 billion people. And a single one of us causes far greater harm to this planet than any animal. The argument is hypocritical and ironic. But not just that, but it's also wrong too. Actually, fur farms are the worst things for controlling populations. it takes quite a few animals to make a fur coat, so naturally you're going to want them fucking each other as much as possible. To further prove my point, I remember once reading an article on how these Foxes broke out of a fur farm and were killing birds like crazy. You see, throwing a bunch of animals in a prison and having them do nothing else but fuck isn't going to help the population. And if they ever get out (like in that incident) then there's going to be a problem.

Now that I'm done I guess it's time to make a point out of all this rambling. The reason why fur is such a horrible thing isn't just because of the cruelty involved alone, but because of two other factors. The first of them being that we leave ethics in the hands of business (which is NEVER a good idea) and the second one being that fur is an anachronism. Fur is wrong because it serves absolutely no purpose. I'm not the most fond of animal testing, but that serves a purpose. I'm not the most fond of factory farms, but that serves a purpose. Fur has no reason to exist. Absolutely none. Some people argue that people should do whatever they want with their money, but I think a line needs to be drawn on bringing needless suffering. Killing an animal just because you're bored and have a lot of money just isn't a good enough reason. Even more so if that animal is being skinned alive and it takes twenty of them to make a coat.

Fur is wrong. No Exceptions.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
MasochisticAvenger said:
SonicWaffle said:
MasochisticAvenger said:
Damn, I thought the title said "Fun Thread". Can we stop with all the killing animal threads? They are, and always will be, entirely opinion-based so what's the point of even discussing it?
Well, by that logic, what's the point of discussing anything? If you're going to dismiss a subject because opinions are being brought to the table, you're not going to have a lot to talk about.
I think you might have accidentally missed half of what I said there. .

MasochisticAvenger said:
It's always going to devolve into an argument that only ends when people get too bored/disinterested to continue, until someone makes a new thread and the whole damn thing starts over again.
No, I saw it, and it's a good point. However, it wasn't really clear that you meant only in this specific situation; I thought you were inferring that it was never worth the time to have a discussion when everyones positions were based on their opinions.

My bad, I suppose.
Sorry, I thought since I said they, meaning killing animal threads, it would be clear I was talking about them specifically. I will try to be clearer about that in the future :). Vegetarianism threads particularly irk me, because they never say anything new. The people creating them often act like they are presenting some new profound argument, but it always boils down to "animals are living creates, and you are killing them for your own greedy desires".

Though I will say I believe the whole argument of "It's alright as long as the animal was killed in a humane manner" is kind of ridiculous. I mean, really? It makes that much of a difference if the animal didn't suffer before it was killed? I don't know, that always struck me as kind of weird.

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Now a fur lined capes I can get behind, but I'd only wear one if I'd shot the ocelot myself.
Shot? You don't deserve a cape. A real man would wrestle the animal down and bite out its throat, before eating the heart to gain its power. Then you'd deserve your cape!
Yeah I did go back and change my post, but right now I'm on all Lemur heart and Emu kidney diet. With a little absinthe to wash it down.
Man up, princess. That's practically the Atkins. I'm on shark testicle & tequila smoothies.
 

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Well I'm currently wearing a leather jacket. Prehaps that will answer your question on my views at least. :')
 

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Muspelheim said:
I did have a rabbit-skin Ushanka once, and ever since it became way too small for my blocky pumpkin for a head, I've been trying to find a new one. Fur is warm and comfortable, I can't argue with that. The best damn hat I've ever had, and it looked nice, to boot.

But it's a bit like meat. I don't think you have to quit using it outright, but you should use fur responsibly. You don't need an entire wardrobe of ferret coats or something, much like you don't need phat steaks every single dinner.
Also, it doesn't hurt making sure the company providing the fur in question is at least reasonably responsible. As long as you're not a Cruella DeVille look-a-like, I can't really say there's a problem.
Plenty of ushankas on eBay, most of them straight from Eastern European sellers who have all sizes in stock. Plenty of synthetic ones, too, so be sure to specify "rabbit" in your search.

On topic: I own a rabbit-ushanka myself, and I also agree with the rest of your post. Fur is a natural resource. You're not a monster just for using it. All-fur coats, however, just looks like you're showing off.
 

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Skin away, so long as the rest of the little thing is being put to good use. But if you're just skinning it and chucking the carcass, that's kind of not cool. Also no endangered animals. That's even less cool.
 

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MasochisticAvenger said:
Sorry, I thought since I said they, meaning killing animal threads, it would be clear I was talking about them specifically. I will try to be clearer about that in the future :). Vegetarianism threads particularly irk me, because they never say anything new. The people creating them often act like they are presenting some new profound argument, but it always boils down to "animals are living creates, and you are killing them for your own greedy desires".
Which is only really an argument if the other person doesn't say "yes, and?". I don't think there are many carnivores who aren't aware that what they're consuming was once a living creature, but I'm not sure why we're meant to care. There are creatures out there who'd be happy to eat us, and if the roles were reverse we'd probably be the creatures being farmed for our meat. I don't think that doing what comes naturally to us is necessarily evil.

MasochisticAvenger said:
Though I will say I believe the whole argument of "It's alright as long as the animal was killed in a humane manner" is kind of ridiculous. I mean, really? It makes that much of a difference if the animal didn't suffer before it was killed? I don't know, that always struck me as kind of weird.
Well, some of these animals are subjected to pretty horrific conditions before they're slaughtered. I don't disapprove of eating meat - in fact, much to the chagrin of my ex-girlfriend I'm a deeply comitted carnivore - but I'm not in favour of uneccessary cruelty either.
 

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Only fur of animals that can also be eaten (leather is ok, rabbit, ext).

Meat is justified because eating is essential to life and humans are naturally built to eat meat (as well as vegetables),
also when you kill a cow, the skin can be used and the bones can be (at the very least) fed to dogs.

There is no justification for killing an animal just for it's pelt. You don't need the animal's fur to survive, you're not depriving yourself of anything, and we have non-animal alternatives for people who just like the look of fur. It's the same as killing for sport. If you don't eat what you kill, it's not right in my book.
I would second this point of view, we have a whole group of animals that are bred purely for food purpose so we might as well use everything, I don't like the idea of simply using an animal for its fur or attempting to breed wild stock for fur.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
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Now a fur lined capes I can get behind, but I'd only wear one if I'd shot the ocelot myself.
Shot? You don't deserve a cape. A real man would wrestle the animal down and bite out its throat, before eating the heart to gain its power. Then you'd deserve your cape!
Yeah I did go back and change my post, but right now I'm on all Lemur heart and Emu kidney diet. With a little absinthe to wash it down.
Man up, princess. That's practically the Atkins. I'm on shark testicle & tequila smoothies.
Well I AM trying to lose weight!
Mother always said my weakness for sasquatch tongues would cost me. I need to get back into narwhal wrestling shape.
What shape is that, ring donut? I hear those things have a pretty nasty horn...
 

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busterkeatonrules said:
Plenty of ushankas on eBay, most of them straight from Eastern European sellers who have all sizes in stock. Plenty of synthetic ones, too, so be sure to specify "rabbit" in your search.

On topic: I own a rabbit-ushanka myself, and I also agree with the rest of your post. Fur is a natural resource. You're not a monster just for using it. All-fur coats, however, just looks like you're showing off.
Oh, that's an idea! Thanks! :3

Although I'm usually suspicious about synthetic fur (it tends to just... Feel and smell off, somehow), it's been a while since I saw any, there might have been a few advances since then. But yeah, nothing really beats rabbit.

I rationalize the whole rabbit thing with that rabbits also taste very nice, and have multiple uses, unlike minks or something that are only raised for the fur, specifically. At least you ought to use the entire animal if you're going to bother, am I right?
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Now a fur lined capes I can get behind, but I'd only wear one if I'd shot the ocelot myself.
Shot? You don't deserve a cape. A real man would wrestle the animal down and bite out its throat, before eating the heart to gain its power. Then you'd deserve your cape!
Yeah I did go back and change my post, but right now I'm on all Lemur heart and Emu kidney diet. With a little absinthe to wash it down.
Man up, princess. That's practically the Atkins. I'm on shark testicle & tequila smoothies.
Well I AM trying to lose weight!
Mother always said my weakness for sasquatch tongues would cost me. I need to get back into narwhal wrestling shape.
What shape is that, ring donut? I hear those things have a pretty nasty horn...
You need to be especially limber to give it less of a target. Shark testicles simply have too many calories.
Have you tried draining them first? You lose most of the salty flavour that way, but it's probably better for the waistline.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Now a fur lined capes I can get behind, but I'd only wear one if I'd shot the ocelot myself.
Shot? You don't deserve a cape. A real man would wrestle the animal down and bite out its throat, before eating the heart to gain its power. Then you'd deserve your cape!
Yeah I did go back and change my post, but right now I'm on all Lemur heart and Emu kidney diet. With a little absinthe to wash it down.
Man up, princess. That's practically the Atkins. I'm on shark testicle & tequila smoothies.
Well I AM trying to lose weight!
Mother always said my weakness for sasquatch tongues would cost me. I need to get back into narwhal wrestling shape.
What shape is that, ring donut? I hear those things have a pretty nasty horn...
You need to be especially limber to give it less of a target. Shark testicles simply have too many calories.
Have you tried draining them first? You lose most of the salty flavour that way, but it's probably better for the waistline.
But then were would I get the protein?
Hmm, good point. Maybe just drink the semen and ditch the rest of the testicle? The resticle?
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
SonicWaffle said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Now a fur lined capes I can get behind, but I'd only wear one if I'd shot the ocelot myself.
Shot? You don't deserve a cape. A real man would wrestle the animal down and bite out its throat, before eating the heart to gain its power. Then you'd deserve your cape!
Yeah I did go back and change my post, but right now I'm on all Lemur heart and Emu kidney diet. With a little absinthe to wash it down.
Man up, princess. That's practically the Atkins. I'm on shark testicle & tequila smoothies.
Well I AM trying to lose weight!
Mother always said my weakness for sasquatch tongues would cost me. I need to get back into narwhal wrestling shape.
What shape is that, ring donut? I hear those things have a pretty nasty horn...
You need to be especially limber to give it less of a target. Shark testicles simply have too many calories.
Have you tried draining them first? You lose most of the salty flavour that way, but it's probably better for the waistline.
But then were would I get the protein?
Hmm, good point. Maybe just drink the semen and ditch the rest of the testicle? The resticle?
Well, If you think that's besticle, I'll give it a shot.
Your willingness to take advice makes you very respecticle.