Just give up... he's never going to understand that the "yiff" fetish is completely separate from the actual furry lifestyle. My head hurts from the brick wall I keep banging my head against >.<TimeLord said:
-Tabs<3-
Furry != Bestiality
- Thread starter TimeLord
- Start date
Recommended Videos
-Tabs<3-
ALRIGHT!
I really think that we need a definition of the word furry. Mainly, means:
<color=green>consisting of or resembling fur". It also pertains to an interest in anthropomorphic animals and/or mythological or imaginary creatures which possess human or superhuman capabilities.
NOTHING SEXUAL IS TO BE DERIVED. to think is is to prove you have no understanding of the word or the people who call themselves that.
I really think that we need a definition of the word furry. Mainly, means:
<color=green>consisting of or resembling fur". It also pertains to an interest in anthropomorphic animals and/or mythological or imaginary creatures which possess human or superhuman capabilities.
NOTHING SEXUAL IS TO BE DERIVED. to think is is to prove you have no understanding of the word or the people who call themselves that.
stinkychops said:
Well, the problem you have there is that you instantly come into the debate assuming it's sexual.
This is incorrect. And to come in as such just hints at trolling really, but, I'll entertain it either way.
The whole sexual aspect however, is a different thing entirely, that's not really based on the characters themselves, but the interest in it.
Majority of furries are teenagers, students and young adults, there's a few older folks, but, that's mostly just down to being around for a long time. Added to that, people have their different reasons for whatever they're into, but, this is my theory.
Teenage years are a time of self discovery, mostly about your sexuality and what-not.
This leads to the inevitable. I'd go more in-depth on it, but, it doesn't seem to be at the top of your list to actually debate such things.
It's also worth noting that there's no proof that The Lion Man was a god or anything, it's a theory however.
Also, the figure is believe to be female, so, the name is a bit misleading...
One that dad line made me laugh. Mind if I steal that?Thyunda said:It's like my dad always said - if you want people to pay attention to what you have to say, pretend your father said it to you.
Furry-ism is all well and good till somebody fucks a prawn.
Two, that picture and subsequent caption made me really laugh. Thanks for that.
OT: Well, I've had zero contact with furries (I'm sure there's a few closet ones around but there we are), but thanks for clearing that up. I didn't really know much about it before.
(Y)
Then, my advice for that would simply be "Look around.".stinkychops said:
Does the internet focus on the sexual side? Yeah, of course, everyone loves a freak show, but, if you actually looked, you'd see that, for the most part, it's not about sex, for some it is, however.
Most who take that opinion are doing so, for you, we shall see.
They're labelled whatever the hell they want to call themselves, frankly. Furries, furvets, yiffers, but, "Furry" seems a common flag.
I was going to but, given your attitude so far, I mistook you for the average garden troll. so, I changed my mind mid-post.
But, if you really want to know what I think.
As I've said, people during this age are likely into the stage of "Discovering themselves", they see something which interests them and explore it, if you look around furry long enough, you'll find something sexual, keep going with this for a while and it'll just become what you're "into", much like how people who look at manga and anime are usually (Usually!) into hentai, but, of course, not all. The fact is, for the most part, humans take whatever it is we're interested in and sexualize it, mostly around this age. I think Rule 32 is the best example of this really.
However, as to why it's such a big deal with furries, well, you have to realize, that most people growing up were into anthropomorphic cartoons, as such, the interest as anthropomorphic characters has already been established and regarded as a part of life, therefore when a certain age arrives, it's the next logical step to make something sexual of it.
Added to that, in the fandom, you can be whoever you want to be, you can create a character who is a 12ft winged fox and people won't really mind, given this kind of freedom and acceptance, it's easy to see how people could get to like that kind of thing.
Thus we have the furry fetish and the fandom it's created from.
That's what I think anyway, I'm not a physiologist, and no studies have been done into it, nor are they likely to be done.
Given your comments so far, you seemed uninterested in hearing the other side of things, so, I didn't mention it.
If you must know, there are plenty of who just like anthropmorphic art.
Not really much more explanation than that.
Off the bat, I have no idea what a 'furry' is, didn't even know the word 'Yiff' existed before today, and find the idea of a community that venerates a fictional concept baffling. (Not a condemnation, just outside of my sphere of understanding). What I can comment on is the 'Furry' media I have come into contact with; be it mainstream or [ahem] pornography (not that I look at that kind of thing); and whether it conforms to the dictionary definition of bestiality. Okay lets begin.
Bestiality is described as:
1: the condition or status of a lower animal (you've gotta love that 'lower animal' bit)
All of the relevant media I have come across 'elevate' the character to the level of homo-sapien so that's that one quashed.
2: display or gratification of bestial traits or impulses.
This one is a bit trickier as an argument could be made for the characters animal like features being described as traits, but I think a stronger argument could be made for describing them as having human traits with animal affectations. Result; I think discounted unless you really want to get pedantic.
3: sexual relations between a human being and a lower animal.
As we have already ascertained that the characters are not 'lower animals' this one is also defunct as well as, as someone pointed out earlier, you never see humans and furry characters in the same media.
Just to add some balance to this post (to stop it looking like a 'furry sympathiser' post); come on guys, seriously; you give yourselves a name, create a niche community, then act all hurt and indignant when people 'don't understand you' and tar you all with the same brush. Don't you know, every community has a target on it's back, it makes it easier for the stupid people to target their bombs.
Just one last food for thought, no one can be held accountable for what their dreams, tastes, fetishes, or beliefs tell them; only for how they act on them.
Bestiality is described as:
1: the condition or status of a lower animal (you've gotta love that 'lower animal' bit)
All of the relevant media I have come across 'elevate' the character to the level of homo-sapien so that's that one quashed.
2: display or gratification of bestial traits or impulses.
This one is a bit trickier as an argument could be made for the characters animal like features being described as traits, but I think a stronger argument could be made for describing them as having human traits with animal affectations. Result; I think discounted unless you really want to get pedantic.
3: sexual relations between a human being and a lower animal.
As we have already ascertained that the characters are not 'lower animals' this one is also defunct as well as, as someone pointed out earlier, you never see humans and furry characters in the same media.
Just to add some balance to this post (to stop it looking like a 'furry sympathiser' post); come on guys, seriously; you give yourselves a name, create a niche community, then act all hurt and indignant when people 'don't understand you' and tar you all with the same brush. Don't you know, every community has a target on it's back, it makes it easier for the stupid people to target their bombs.
Just one last food for thought, no one can be held accountable for what their dreams, tastes, fetishes, or beliefs tell them; only for how they act on them.
I stand corrected. Thank you.Zeeky_Santos said:
Also, I'd like to point out just how narrow-minded a lot of the responses in this thread are. One would think that where I work, I'd be used to thick or narrow minds, but I'm not. It's amusing, really.
EDIT: Catman made an extremely valid argument. I look forward to seeing how this progresses.
Sure. I stole the father line from Sickipedia. No reason why you can't steal it from me.SnipErlite said:One that dad line made me laugh. Mind if I steal that?Thyunda said:It's like my dad always said - if you want people to pay attention to what you have to say, pretend your father said it to you.
Furry-ism is all well and good till somebody fucks a prawn.
Two, that picture and subsequent caption made me really laugh. Thanks for that.
OT: Well, I've had zero contact with furries (I'm sure there's a few closet ones around but there we are), but thanks for clearing that up. I didn't really know much about it before.
(Y)
Thanks. Sickipedia? It's not really a sick joke :S *shrug* ehh fair enough.Thyunda said:Sure. I stole the father line from Sickipedia. No reason why you can't steal it from me.
Sickipedia just happens to possess a lot of sick jokes. Some of the funniest ones are just like that. And...some of them are just...well, they're not so sick they're disgusting, but you do feel guilty about laughing at them.SnipErlite said:Thanks. Sickipedia? It's not really a sick joke :S *shrug* ehh fair enough.Thyunda said:Sure. I stole the father line from Sickipedia. No reason why you can't steal it from me.
I wonder what'll happen if I search furry.
True, true.Thyunda said:
As for furry. Er.......go for it (Y) What's the worst that could happen? [sub]Just don't post them here, they're probably confusing the whole furry/bestiality issue for a start
[/sub]
The noisy majority are the ones we hear, most people don't give a damn about if you own a gun or not. However, unlike gun ownership and use, furries are considered a deviance and unnatural to people, and more importantly, nobody directly compares owning a gun to a genuinely disturbing and dangerous crime. yes, animal advocates despise guns, quite a few people do, but nobody says that everyone who owns a gun is a serial murderer, they just attach it to the most extreme stereotype portrayed in movies and such, hicks and hillbillies. Nobody though, would say that you are committing a crime by owning a gun, but societies view om furries is that they rape cats and are mentally disturbed. I wont argue that the response is extreme at times, but i feel that the negate perception of furries is greater than that of a gun owner or NRA member.SODAssault said:
As for the NRA, don't you think they try to promote NRA supported materials? they do, they advocate to the public as well as congress.
Let me cut through all the redundant statements and whittle it down to one, simple point that I've been trying to get across from the very beginning.
Seen here, an actual dog.
Possible conclusions: you want to fuck this dog, which is a felony in many states.
As opposed to this:
Seen here, a sexually idealized humanoid with a few animal characteristics slapped on at the last second to stick with the game's theme of "animals in space".
Possible conclusions: you want to fuck an inconceivably well-proportioned woman wearing a mask and prosthetic tail, which seems more like a lazy stab at kinkiness than an affront to nature.
Simply put, just because a few people on the internet called you a dog-fucker doesn't mean the rest of us wouldn't trust you around our pets, and as such, don't need to be educated otherwise.
Now, going back to your argument: do you remember how you were quick to point out that it's not common for gun owners to be associated with the worst possible stereotypes, on account of the majority of people hearing both sides to the argument? That's because firearm legislation is important enough for everybody to be aware of it, since it's one of the core principles of America. Everything having to do with laws regarding the regulation or outright banning of firearms requires an interpretation of the constitution, which you'll remember is a piece of hemp paper that the entire nation was founded on. If any willfully loose interpretations are made into law, that carries heavy implications for the rest of everything, ever. This concerns everybody, because heavily infringing upon the second amendment means that other constitutional rights can be openly trampled upon by legislators at will. Because of this, it was necessary for everyone to understand how it would effect them if they carelessly decided "guns mean I would die, please make them illegal". In short, petitioning people for understanding in this matter is not only justified, but mandatory.
Furries, on the other hand, have no such relevance, which means that an equal amount of advocating is grossly unnecessary; not just because it's a personal preference that doesn't effect the rest of us, but because most of us don't know, or care, anywhere near enough about it to form a negative opinion strong enough to act on it in any way. If you get negative reactions, it's probably because you considered yourselves important enough to petition us for our attention and understanding in the first place. Do you know why I personally dislike furries? Because nine times out of ten, my exposure to them wasn't from stumbling across furry porn and going "that's a little odd, I'm too dimly unaware of my own quirks to forgive this", but from watching them all group up and scream "STOP PERSECUTING US" at imaginary threats, with the same legitimacy of a bored teenage white girl living in a comfortable life in an upper-middle-class suburb bitching endlessly about how nobody understands how hard her life is. Too often, furries seem to forget that what they do is a personal choice dictated by a personal preference that they are free to practice as openly as they choose*, and more importantly, nobody is trying to take it away from them. In short, petitioning people for understanding in this matter stems from not wanting to be made fun of when openly displaying abnormal tendencies, and as a result, is unjustifiable and annoying in the most powerful sense of the word, since everybody that decides to force others to notice their unusual preferences is going to face ridicule, no matter what.
The "entire world is against us" mentality is just an excuse to throw this in the face of the majority (i.e. the rest of us who really couldn't care less what you do with your internet connection). For the average person to come to the conclusion that you fuck dogs, they'd have to catch you spanking it to this:Demongeneral109 said:
Seen here, an actual dog.
Possible conclusions: you want to fuck this dog, which is a felony in many states.
As opposed to this:
Seen here, a sexually idealized humanoid with a few animal characteristics slapped on at the last second to stick with the game's theme of "animals in space".
Possible conclusions: you want to fuck an inconceivably well-proportioned woman wearing a mask and prosthetic tail, which seems more like a lazy stab at kinkiness than an affront to nature.
Simply put, just because a few people on the internet called you a dog-fucker doesn't mean the rest of us wouldn't trust you around our pets, and as such, don't need to be educated otherwise.
Now, going back to your argument: do you remember how you were quick to point out that it's not common for gun owners to be associated with the worst possible stereotypes, on account of the majority of people hearing both sides to the argument? That's because firearm legislation is important enough for everybody to be aware of it, since it's one of the core principles of America. Everything having to do with laws regarding the regulation or outright banning of firearms requires an interpretation of the constitution, which you'll remember is a piece of hemp paper that the entire nation was founded on. If any willfully loose interpretations are made into law, that carries heavy implications for the rest of everything, ever. This concerns everybody, because heavily infringing upon the second amendment means that other constitutional rights can be openly trampled upon by legislators at will. Because of this, it was necessary for everyone to understand how it would effect them if they carelessly decided "guns mean I would die, please make them illegal". In short, petitioning people for understanding in this matter is not only justified, but mandatory.
Furries, on the other hand, have no such relevance, which means that an equal amount of advocating is grossly unnecessary; not just because it's a personal preference that doesn't effect the rest of us, but because most of us don't know, or care, anywhere near enough about it to form a negative opinion strong enough to act on it in any way. If you get negative reactions, it's probably because you considered yourselves important enough to petition us for our attention and understanding in the first place. Do you know why I personally dislike furries? Because nine times out of ten, my exposure to them wasn't from stumbling across furry porn and going "that's a little odd, I'm too dimly unaware of my own quirks to forgive this", but from watching them all group up and scream "STOP PERSECUTING US" at imaginary threats, with the same legitimacy of a bored teenage white girl living in a comfortable life in an upper-middle-class suburb bitching endlessly about how nobody understands how hard her life is. Too often, furries seem to forget that what they do is a personal choice dictated by a personal preference that they are free to practice as openly as they choose*, and more importantly, nobody is trying to take it away from them. In short, petitioning people for understanding in this matter stems from not wanting to be made fun of when openly displaying abnormal tendencies, and as a result, is unjustifiable and annoying in the most powerful sense of the word, since everybody that decides to force others to notice their unusual preferences is going to face ridicule, no matter what.
thanks for fixing my typos first of all, i was fairly out of it when i posted so thanks for that.SODAssault said:
Now,im not going to say that furries have even close to the same relevance to general society as gun control; however, I will say it is important to those people, now, personally, I don't particularly care, if people don't like it then that's their right. Now, i'm not going to get any further into this, but I feel that we also need to apply the 'loud' principal into the group as well, like me, most of us don't care, but the irritating minority doesn't know how to shut up, which does cause problems. And yes, most people don't really have opinions on the matter,
Now, i know this is going to be annoying, but i was mostly devil's advocating on this topic. like i said before, while i defiantly fit into this category, i was just expressing some irritating trends in the anti-furry community. Mostly differentiating between furries and bestiality, which is the topic of this thread. However, i understand why people are so defensive of their hobby, and to them, being a furry is as significant as gun control, just like obscenity laws effect hentai as much as it does porn, even though the former is far less "significant" or prevalent in everyday society. I' not downplaying the problems gun owners can face in areas with small gun owning population percentages; but don't downplay that just as many people ***** about guns as do about this. both sides have their own problems... lets just leave it at that.
PS. Thanks for the krystal pic
ok well furries may not be into bestiality it is 2 inches to the right of it, it is like saying sorbet or gellato is not ice cream it technically isn't but it is very very close and generally most furries I have met(not saying that all of them are) are either perverts(and not just because they are into humanized animals if they were into humans they would have been just as perverted) or thought they were unique special little stars and that everyone should bow down and recognize how unique they are.
This is literally the definition of bestiality by webster:Rednog said:
Definition of BESTIALITY
1: the condition or status of a lower animal
2: display or gratification of bestial traits or impulses
3: sexual relations between a human being and a lower animal
It's kind of an odd word when you think about and it does show its age a bit. For example, under your definition, watching Shepard in Mass Effect during some of the sex scenes would be considered watching bestiality.
For me it had always been about being 100% sure your partner is consenting. If a person wants to have sex with a dog, no matter how that person loves it, neither partner in that situation can understand the other with 100% surety.
Furries, and Mr./Ms. Shepard, on the other hand, can have that surety. If one furry is having sexual relations with another, that is just 2 adults having sex and fur is most-likely involved. If a furry lives in America, your right to have kinky sex with another adult human is constitutionally protected. That is your pursuit of happiness, so why should my opinion even matter?
I find it even weirder, if a person has a problem with a fictional picture someone finds attractive. Who has the time to care about what someone else is doing in their own homes, in front of a computer...perhaps pant-less.
Like I said in another post, I personally don't care what people do in their own time and what gets them off. But you have to call an orange an orange. By the literal definition it is bestiality. Sure you personally might consider it something else, ie the whole consensual thing, but you can't argue against the definition. If you want to that is a fight with the people who define words and not me.Xisin said:
As it stand by the very definition it is what it is.
Oh damn, I missed this thread =/
Nonetheless, Its true that Bolt is "feral" but that doesn't make him any less anthropomorphic. By that definition, Bolt is a furry. Is is true that most furries probably prefer two-legged "anthros", but one cannot deny that there is a great deal of feral art as well, in the furry fandom.
Besides, to the best of my knowledge, Bolt was the most popular in the furry fandom. In fact, most people i've met with similar interests with Bolt has been furries, and the preposterous amount of Bolt rule-34 the fandom has to offer should rather speak for itself.
Nonetheless, Its true that Bolt is "feral" but that doesn't make him any less anthropomorphic. By that definition, Bolt is a furry. Is is true that most furries probably prefer two-legged "anthros", but one cannot deny that there is a great deal of feral art as well, in the furry fandom.
Besides, to the best of my knowledge, Bolt was the most popular in the furry fandom. In fact, most people i've met with similar interests with Bolt has been furries, and the preposterous amount of Bolt rule-34 the fandom has to offer should rather speak for itself.